[HonestSean]

But I mean I have tried beats in a shop and they were about as nice to listen to as repeadly stabbing myself in the face with a blunt implement. It is a clear case of "ignorance is bliss"....

This statement contradicts your principle though. He might say the same about your D2000 or HD650 and be just as corrent. The only comeback you have is "they measure better and I can hear it". Measurements are your only justification to assert that your headphones are objectively better than his.

I mostly reject the notion of one headphone being better for one type of music than another. There's only more accurate and less accurate. More accurate is better for everything. There might be headphones that have flaws that are brought out more by some types of music, but that's about it.

[errolurberozy]

It is a clear case of "ignorance is bliss"....

It is nothing to do with ignorance is bliss. I had sennheiser headphones while you were probably taking milk from the nipple. When I'm listening to dance music I like it to sound like in a nightclub.

I tried on the beats in the shop, they sounded good for what I want them for and luckily I don't have to worry about the price so much that I can't afford a second pair of headphones more suited to other kinds of music if the need arises.

This thread has highlighted how closed-minded a lot of FM'ers are though.

[Gilowero]

When I'm listening to dance music I like it to sound like in a nightclub.

I think the thread is over.

[Nmoitmzr]

I think the thread is over.

You can't handle that fact that anyone might have a different liking to this than you, can you?

[Gudronich]

This statement contradicts your principle though. He might say the same about your D2000 or HD650 and be just as corrent. The only comeback you have is "they measure better and I can hear it". Measurements are your only justification to assert that your headphones are objectively better than his.

I mostly reject the notion of one headphone being better for one type of music than another. There's only more accurate and less accurate. More accurate is better for everything. There might be headphones that have flaws that are brought out more by some types of music, but that's about it.

Well I can argue that an entire community over on Head-fi would agree that the Denon d2000 are far better than the beats.... Subjective opinions yes.... But also based on real experience. I did not say that measurements are useless at all I just said that sometimes a headphone can measure well but then you hear it and dont like the way it sounds...

I think you are wrong about thinking that one headphone is all you need for all genres....

For example classical music or vocal music suits the Sennheiser HD650 perfectly because they are silky smooth and have amazing soundstage and imaging.... Fast paced electronic music however is not so suited to the Sennheiser HD650 because they do not have enough sub bass and also they are a bit "slow" sounding compared to other headphones.... I mean they are very good for electronic music but they are a bit too relaxing and not exciting enough.... Of course you can have very agressive exciting headphones and very laid back headphones.... Both are good at different genres and not so good at others....

To get the best all rounder you can either spend £1000 on some LCD2 or Hifiman orthodynamics which ARE good at all genres.... OR you can have some HD650 and Denon D5000 or similar.... between these 2 you have headphones which are excellent at every genre.... The HD650 being more relaxing and smooth and the Denons being faster with more sub bass and more exciting for shorter listening sessions...

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You can't handle that fact that anyone might have a different liking to this than you, can you?

The thing is though the Beats really don't have very good sound quality....

Surely you would prefer to listen to good quality bass?

[jenilopaz]

When I'm listening to dance music I like it to sound like in a nightclub.

So you like to listen to it through cheap ass speakers that distort music with far too much bass and muddy high tones? That's the one problem all clubs i've been in share, the music quality is sh!te, volume and bass are a clubs main concern, not quality, especially since everyone is either pissed up or off their face. [busted]

[Catalogov]

So you like to listen to it through cheap ass speakers that distort music with far too much bass and muddy high tones? That's the one problem all clubs i've been in share, the music quality is sh!te, volume and bass are a clubs main concern, not quality, especially since everyone is either pissed up or off their face. [busted]

It reminds me of good nights out. I don't listen to dance music for its musical properties.

[Jjfotqse]

It reminds me of good nights out. I don't listen to dance music for its musical properties.

Why not? Electronic music can sound awesome through good headphones....

[voksveta]

Get yourself some of these http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/soun...odid-3833.html

They outperform many headphones that cost over £100.

[PilotVertolet]

It is nothing to do with ignorance is bliss. I had sennheiser headphones while you were probably taking milk from the nipple. When I'm listening to dance music I like it to sound like in a nightclub.

I tried on the beats in the shop, they sounded good for what I want them for and luckily I don't have to worry about the price so much that I can't afford a second pair of headphones more suited to other kinds of music if the need arises.

This thread has highlighted how closed-minded a lot of FM'ers are though.

We are not closed minded...
Its like someone who loves something expensive and inferior by a huge margin and denies theres anything better.. Then they repeatedly post and say "after extensive listening" they have come to the conclusion the headphone is the best....

Your ignorance and pigheadedness are the reason for all the flak you get. But you are too dense to see this. Time and time again you ask for assistance on a purchase and we all try to tell you what the best product is out there value wise but you throw our opinions/experiences aside and then claim what you bought is the best... Then when we tell you that you purchased a heavily marketed and marked up pos... You call us dicks, closed minded, and so on.... No Sir... You are the ****... The tool... The douche bag.


and my response to your picture post...
This is how i see you

[gundas]

Well I can argue that an entire community over on Head-fi would agree that the Denon d2000 are far better than the beats.... Subjective opinions yes.... But also based on real experience.

Argumentatum ad populum.

You can't handle that fact that anyone might have a different liking to this than you, can you?

I'm just saying night-club sound reproduction has nothing to do with quality. If that's what you're going for, then you're intentionally going for low quality. Therefore how could you possibly assert that the beats are good for dance music?

[AncewwewBus]

Why would a straight, grown man in his 30s enjoy going to nightclubs and listening to dance music when he's at home?

Having **** taste in headphones is excusable. Having **** taste in music is not.

[NEronchik]

I think you give the HD650's too little credit. They actually have a very clean, if subdued sound.

They have the lowest distortion I've ever seen measured from a headphone, approaching amplifier levels of clarity. Their square wave response is fairly good, yet they seem slow subjectively. I wonder if that actually has to do with some acoustic deficiency in the earcups. Their bass response is fairly similar to the HD800's, disregarding sub-bass, as is the low frequency square wave response. However the HD800 measures minimal resonances within the earcup while the HD650's isn't quite as impressive in that regard. The 650's still outperform the Denon D5000's quite significantly in that area though.

[nicktender]

Then they repeatedly post and say "after extensive listening" they have come to the conclusion the headphone is the best....

Aaaaah, I understand the problem now....you can't read. Man, that sucks. Can't you go to night school or something?

[JennyStewarta]

Why would a straight, grown man in his 30s enjoy going to nightclubs and listening to dance music when he's at home?

Having **** taste in headphones is excusable. Having **** taste in music is not.

A thread started by a troll took quite a while to attract such an ass. 17th century pop music ain't cool any more, either.

[HaseBeceDeemy]

A thread started by a troll took quite a while to attract such an ass. 17th century pop music ain't cool any more, either.

Do you often find yourself condescending to people because you don't know how to react? It would appear so.

[cxddfrxc]

Do you often find yourself condescending to people because you don't know how to react? It would appear so.

Did I hit a nerve? Is there any other reason why you made another thread about the beats when you knew what happened last time? Whether you realise it or not, you set out to start another useless debate on a set of headphones. Obviously, with several people here into audio/visual, this was going to be contentious.

[Angeheade]

Geeze guys, if he wants to spent his money on over priced crap and listen to crap music* that is making him deaf, it's his call.
Sure, you could tailor almost anything to reproduce whatever sound you want, but if these have the same affect, why bother.

As regarding the sound reproduction in testing and the comment about 'cups' that someone made - I honestly don't see how anyone can make a definite comment unless they're tested on a reproduction head with ears, ear canal, etc, that are sructurally and materially similar to the human head. With the input to the headset is directly compared to the sound received at the point where the eardrum would be. I say that because the ear structure must affect the hearing experience.


*back in the hayday of the 'boom box', there was one company that had a quad 'sub' (as in subnormal? ) box with negligible mid and upper reproduction - still sold well to the idiots.

[Tuqofiw]

As regarding the sound reproduction in testing and the comment about 'cups' that someone made - I honestly don't see how anyone can make a definite comment unless they're tested on a reproduction head with ears, ear canal, etc, that are sructurally and materially similar to the human head. With the input to the headset is directly compared to the sound received at the point where the eardrum would be. I say that because the ear structure must affect the hearing experience.

You're correct. Though my comment was speculation based on measurements on a reproduction head. Headphone measuring is difficult, but only with regards to frequency response.

[Mymnnarry]

Another thing to consider, prolonged listening to dance music at high volume will damage your ears, so perhaps some people need higher volume, deeper bass and so on to achieve the same quality of listening as those with "perfect" hearing?