[gniewkoit]

So why seek validation on these forums repeatedly?

Your rigidity and almost complete lack of tolerance for differing opinions is disheartening.

It is one thing to be strong willed and stand your ground, it is another thing to be pig-headed when it comes to peoples' likes and start name calling because someone has a differing opinion.

Everyone has a different measurement for "quality" when it comes to entrainment but do I care if people like Opeth or Britney Spears? Heck no, more power to them! The only thing that matters is that it brings them enjoyment. I also won't harp on about how my opinion "holds more weight", that's absurd. Go argue with critics over points like that, the rest of us will enjoy our media.

If someone enjoys American Pie and would be willing to sacrifice their time and money to watch it, then I weep for them because they are missing all the true beauty in life.

[Cogebrego]

If someone enjoys American Pie and would be willing to sacrifice their time and money to watch it, then I weep for them because they are missing all the true beauty in life.

What a completely ignorant post. Mutelight hit the nail on the head about you and you comeback with "you feel sorry for anyone who doesnt see as you do"?

[hablyShappY]

If someone enjoys American Pie and would be willing to sacrifice their time and money to watch it, then I weep for them because they are missing all the true beauty in life.

Says the person who must spend at least an hour a day posting on here.

I enjoyed the first one, probably due in no small part to me being 15 at the time but it had some pretty funny moments.

[OShellszz]

Earth, Mute has completely ruined all the rubbish your spouting in this thread so you might aswell go to another one now.

I worked on Hugo which won 5 oscars and worked closely with the three guys collecting the VFX oscar, Rob legato, Ben Grossman and Alex Henning, does that make my opinion more valid than yours? or anyone elses? no....

I enjoyed the first american pie... the rest i did not. This has potential to be a good movie for the people who enjoyed the original but chances it its going to be a let down.

[MexicoCity]

What a completely ignorant post. Mutelight hit the nail on the head about you and you comeback with "you feel sorry for anyone who doesnt see as you do"?

Yeah, I do feel sorry for them.

This reunion is the cancer that is killing movies. Hollywood is just desperate for cash and will spit out garbage sequel, reboot and rehashes just so the dumb popcorn eating mass (like yourself) will go to the theatre and make them rich off of garbage they put together in 30 days.

It is sad how dumb the masses willing to accept this crap as movie are, and they are missing the good things in life.

As for the validation, I don't need any of it. I just come on the forums to read and post when someone is wrong.

[zueqhbyhp]

Although EAG is being brash and petulant I agree with him.

Not every opinion is worth the same weight.

Any film deserves to be seen at least once though, otherwise you can't have an opinion on it.


As for the new American Pie film, it's probably going to be another massive dump on the art of film but I'll rent it once it comes out. No way I'm giving money to watch something like this at the cinema.

[Wahwlsnt]

Not every piece of entertainment needs to be perfect/oscar material. Sometimes a stupid laugh or mindless bit is just fine. Original movies were fun and had lots of laughs, will most likely catch this one when it hits netflix for nostalgia's sake.

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If someone enjoys American Pie and would be willing to sacrifice their time and money to watch it, then I weep for them because they are missing all the true beauty in life.

Like wasting time in internet dark alleys like 4chan, /v/, stalking websites for information on Bioware or other game devs you hate and spending god knows how much time trying to convince a computer hardware enthusiast forum that XXXX person or XXXX company is bad.

At first I thought you were an honest poster, then I was convinced that you were a troll, now im certain that you are just a pathetic lifeform seeking attention somewhere.

[praboobolbode]

E@G has a point, though, as long as they think they'll get a return on their investment, the studios will continue to turn out these recycled ideas at the expense of original material which will be ignored.
"Hugo", as mentioned above, is an example of a studio taking a risk and reaping multiple benefits - and not only financial ones.

[ultimda horaf]

Not every piece of entertainment needs to be perfect/oscar material. Sometimes a stupid laugh or mindless bit is just fine. Original movies were fun and had lots of laughs, will most likely catch this one when it hits netflix for nostalgia's sake.

Just because a film is a comedy that doesn't mean it has a license to be crap.

People tend to have this forgiving attitude.

On that note, there are a huge number of comedies which are great films.

You guys just seem to overlook them.

[DoctorNelsonOnten]

E@G has a point, though, as long as they think they'll get a return on their investment, the studios will continue to turn out these recycled ideas at the expense of original material which will be ignored.
"Hugo", as mentioned above, is an example of a studio taking a risk and reaping multiple benefits - and not only financial ones.

Hugo had Martin Scorsese directing it though, so it isn't as big of a risk as you think.

But yes, supporting garbage like this will continue the cycle of hollywood releasing yet another rehash, reboot or sequel, instead of OC.

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Like wasting time in internet dark alleys like 4chan, /v/, stalking websites for information on Bioware or other game devs you hate and spending god knows how much time trying to convince a computer hardware enthusiast forum that XXXX person or XXXX company is bad.

At first I thought you were an honest poster, then I was convinced that you were a troll, now im certain that you are just a pathetic lifeform seeking attention somewhere.

Quit being such a white knight.

It sounds like you haven't even read 4chan to call something like /v/ a dark alley. The largest video game board on the internet is now a dark alley? Get real.

[JacomoR]

Hugo had Martin Scorsese directing it though, so it isn't as big of a risk as you think.

But yes, supporting garbage like this will continue the cycle of hollywood releasing yet another rehash, reboot or sequel, instead of OC.

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Quit being such a white knight.

It sounds like you haven't even read 4chan to call something like /v/ a dark alley. The largest video game board on the internet is now a dark alley? Get real.

/v/ is entertaining, but it is definitely the dark and sordid hole of the internet's worse and worst.

[Stoniaanapy]

The first one was awesome. Second was pretty OK. 3-4 didn't feel right.

This one seems to be good, though. Oh man, I sure miss being a teenage student

[qd0vhq4f]

Just because a film is a comedy that doesn't mean it has a license to be crap.

People tend to have this forgiving attitude.

On that note, there are a huge number of comedies which are great films.

You guys just seem to overlook them.

I hate this absolutist attitude, that if you watch a mindless film it MUST mean that you cannot ever watch fantastic films. Ive had this argument with freinds countless times.

Theres entertainment and then theres Art and then theres a big gray area in between where everyones different opinons mingle.

Entertainment- American Pie, Cheech and Chong, Terra Nova, Terminator, planet of the apes, rambo etc.
Art- The Piano, Dances with Wolves, Braveheart, Gone with the Wind etc
Gray Area- Pulp Fiction, Avatar, 300 etc

I can recoknize where, in my mind, a film rests. I can still enjoy a masterpiece even though I watched Super Troopers the night before.

[nerkvcbtre]

I hate this absolutist attitude, that if you watch a mindless film it MUST mean that you cannot ever watch fantastic films. Ive had this argument with freinds countless times.

Theres entertainment and then theres Art and then theres a big gray area in between where everyones different opinons mingle.

Entertainment- American Pie, Cheech and Chong, Terra Nova, Terminator, planet of the apes, rambo etc.
Art- The Piano, Dances with Wolves, Braveheart, Gone with the Wind etc
Gray Area- Pulp Fiction, Avatar, 300 etc

I can recoknize where, in my mind, a film rests. I can still enjoy a masterpiece even though I watched Super Troopers the night before.

There is no grey area, we are talking about art not entertainment.

Good art is good entertainment, if a film is bad art then it can't be entertaining.

If you decide to be frivolous about the appreciation of film then you're welcome to it but don't invent some grey area to excuse bad movies.

You are making the sordid mistake of assuming that art is always serious.

[Flieteewell]

Yes the american pie name was milked because they made so much money, and it resulted in too many mediocre movies.
That said I think the first 2 american pie moves were actually OK. And all the other ones will still be watched on parties with half-drunk teenagers

[pharmablogger]

Although EAG is being brash and petulant I agree with him.

Not every opinion is worth the same weight.

Any film deserves to be seen at least once though, otherwise you can't have an opinion on it.


As for the new American Pie film, it's probably going to be another massive dump on the art of film but I'll rent it once it comes out. No way I'm giving money to watch something like this at the cinema.

I agree to have an opinion on something like a film it should have been seen in the first place.

The problem with the film industry is the same with every other industry. It has to make money. Now Hollywood / all the companies that put the money upfront to make these films want to see a return on it. Therefore most of the films that we see today are films that are moving with the times and use a lot of VFX, such as transformers etc. Nearly every superhero movie, or comic book movie that has been out has got a sequel announced...because it made money and they know it will make a lot more.

There are people out there like Scorsese and films like The Artist, that take a chance and do something different to what a lot of people regard as "the normal rubbish" in our cinemas.

Working for a VFX company has made it difficult for me to appreciate a good film for being a good film. Most of the time when i see a film now i find it hard not to look at it from a technical perspective as that is what i do day in day out. It's refreshing to see films like Hugo especially with all the VFX in it, as not many people would be able to spot what is CG and what is not, and to me that is the whole point of it. There are too many films out that throw it in your face and this is deducting from the film itself in general nowadays.

[Hbkj89D2]

Working for a VFX company has made it difficult for me to appreciate a good film for being a good film. Most of the time when i see a film now i find it hard not to look at it from a technical perspective as that is what i do day in day out.

That might be your Achilles heel, I find that in industry people and artists in general.

They tend to lose the ability of appreciating an album or a film without summoning their skewed view.

For example, my friend who is a recording artist who also works in music studios tends to lean toward his style of music or starts appreciating the production of an album rather than the album itself.

Of course each of these technical elements play into the final product itself. After all, what is a film or an album except for the summation of a collective artistic effort ?

That said, you can't focus on one element and use it to define whether something is good or bad.

[tooratrack]

This [insert noun here] is the cancer that is [insert verb here] [insert noun here].

Dude you need to find a new metaphor.

[Effopsytupt]

MY opinion is better than ALL of yours because I am the best! You may take my opinion as the definitive opinion. Right now we've got that out of the way.... I enjoyed the first American Pie because I was the same age and going through the same changing period in my life at the time. I think it's got it's place as a classic of that genre and there's nothing wrong with a bit of light hearted teenage vulgar comedy once in a while. I'll be going back to the cinema to see the new one with the guys I watched the first one with all those years ago. It will be a reunion of sorts for us too. Looking forward to it!

[goatteatromiag]

Yeah, I do feel sorry for them.

This reunion is the cancer that is killing movies. Hollywood is just desperate for cash and will spit out garbage sequel, reboot and rehashes just so the dumb popcorn eating mass (like yourself) will go to the theatre and make them rich off of garbage they put together in 30 days.

It is sad how dumb the masses willing to accept this crap as movie are, and they are missing the good things in life.

As for the validation, I don't need any of it. I just come on the forums to read and post when someone is wrong.

Sad to see you worry about what everyone else likes or dislikes and even feel an emotion if ppl like what you do not. Its no surprise you dont like this movie, you dont like anything but the sound of your own voice.
And the last movie I went to see at the theaters was probably District 9, so dont give me your BS name calling just to boost your post.