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http://www.ammoland.com/2012/01/04/f...nt-f-with-usa/
To homeowners In the United States. Wow. That is a lot of guns. |
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heading into an election year gun sales are always high. Apparently they have been about to take away our guns for 50 years every election. At least that is what the NRA always says. Yeah, no bazooka's or tanks or machine guns... but every other gun has never been threatened except in the most liberal of liberal areas. And the Supreme Court has since remedied that.
I really have no problem with 1st time gun buyers... but the people who have full arsenal's of weapons. You are deranged and have serious problems. Most of the guns bought were by people who already had multiple firearms. |
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I really have no problem with 1st time gun buyers... but the people who have full arsenal's of weapons. You are deranged and have serious problems. Most of the guns bought were by people who already had multiple firearms. |
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I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there. There is a gun culture just the same as there is a car culture or an overclocker's culture. Am I deranged for having the husks of a dozen computer relics lying around my house but still buying new ones? So, you are not deranged for having a collection, you are deranged for pretending said collections have nothing to do with the huge illegal gun market. |
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last I checked, when your car collection is stolen, it is not immediately in the hands of people looking to bring pain upon others... same with any of the other "collections" out there. Wanna guess how most illegal guns are made illegal? That is right. It comes from idiots with arsenals who come home to find the crooks now have their arsenal. The best part is, everyone in the neighborhood was aware of said arsenal because people with arsenal's can't wait to tell everyone about and show everyone their guns. ![]() How about instead we realize that the problem is not with the guns, nor the people buying "arsenals" legally. The problem is...criminals. (Surprise! [rolleyes]) In order to fix a problem, the root cause needs to be identified first. Of course, judging by your comments, you don't want to identify the root cause, because you'd rather see the Second Amendment slowly destroyed. Your real angle isn't to reduce crime. You're simply using crime as a reason to disarm the population. What you fail to realize is that the criminals will always get weapons. If you were actually concerned with reducing crime and making the world a safer place, you would deal with the problem at hand, instead of putting up a smoke screen to veil an agenda. [thumbdown] |
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So pretty much you would agree that we should penalize law-abiding citizens because of the existence of criminals. What a wonderfully horrible idea. |
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I really have no problem with 1st time gun buyers... but the people who have full arsenal's of weapons. You are deranged and have serious problems. Most of the guns bought were by people who already had multiple firearms. There are proper enthusiasts who consider each firearm on it's merit - for example, one may represent the first he'd owned, another may have an unusual mechanism, a third may be a very rare model, etc. There are many people who'd collect them just on that basis. Then there are people who have a variety of firearms because each does a different job, perhaps a few shotguns for different hunting or sporting regulations and game types; a few different pistols for hunting, hunting backup, target shooting, etc; a few different rifles for different sorts of game or sports/competition shooting. Lots of reasons for an enthusiast to own many firearms. An owner can take all sorts of precautions but, when it comes down to it, a lock will only keep an honest man out! Rather than penalising the legal firearm owners, IMO, there should be more control of unsecured firearms, illegally owned firearms and greater penalties for firearm use in crime - and have these penalties well advertised! |
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see, this is where you freak out because you are irrational. No where have I said we should disarm the population. Not allowing arsenals would not disarm the nation. It would simply limit the number to a reasonable 4-5 guns per person. That is not disarming anyone. It is just getting rid of unnecessary weapons caches that are no where near as secure as they should be and coinflips at best that they won't one day be stolen. You know, the type thing our soldiers do to the countries we invade to make them safe. I am not against guns. I am against arsenals. I see a constitutional right to bare arms, not horde them. It's basically what I believe. I think that the people should retain the right to bear arms but it's not something which should be celebrated in the way it is with people some people owning a whole armoury. |
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see, this is where you freak out because you are irrational. No where have I said we should disarm the population. Not allowing arsenals would not disarm the nation. It would simply limit the number to a reasonable 4-5 guns per person. That is not disarming anyone. It is just getting rid of unnecessary weapons caches that are no where near as secure as they should be and coinflips at best that they won't one day be stolen. You know, the type thing our soldiers do to the countries we invade to make them safe. I am not against guns. I am against arsenals. I see a constitutional right to bare arms, not horde them. Very simply, criminals break laws. Your argument centers around limiting the rights of people who are not breaking laws, so that's right, you don't give a damn about crime, and your argument is nothing but a farce. You simply want to push a veiled agenda to limit the rights of people who have different ideals from you, so cut the bull**** and say it like it is. I'd respect you and your ilk more if you wouldn't hide your true agenda. |
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The last time I checked, criminals don't follow laws, so they wouldn't be limited by your restrictions. They'll just go and buy as many as they want on the black market, completed unimpeded, while limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens. Where do you think the illegal guns come from ? |
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What I envision is more a system where you could still own an armory's worth of weaponry, it would just have to actually be stored at a certified secure armory. This idea that gun owners are just hapless victims in all of this who's rights are being trampled on is bullshit. You have a right to bare them, we have a right to make sure they are secure. I have 50 years of gun theft statistics that blatantly show this shrug shoulder attitude we have about a pane of glass being all the protection 30 assault rifles need just isn't working. Doing it your way is what has gotten us into this mess.
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