[buIf6yoW]

rollin,
Have you thought about coming out to the Tour Van Stop in your neck of the woods in a couple of weeks. Give you a chance to try out quite a bit of irons and at the same time possibly even take a few on the course to give a real test to.

[exchpaypaleg]

rollin,
Have you thought about coming out to the Tour Van Stop in your neck of the woods in a couple of weeks. Give you a chance to try out quite a bit of irons and at the same time possibly even take a few on the course to give a real test to.

hey, thats great, would certainly look into that and where, when etc.. to see if i can get to go to it.

[XzBZB2UV]

No need to apologize. I wasn't calling you out. It have came across that way, but I wasn't.

Back on topic, don't worry about the lofts.

Ok no problem here as well. Sometimes comunicating in written words can offset the true meanings and feelings of the writers intent.

[Bgfbukpf]

hey, thats great, would certainly look into that and where, when etc.. to see if i can get to go to it.

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[Adimos]

thanks for all the input so far. Some very good and interesting opinions, advise, and points of views about the subject so far

[Essefsbyday]

rollin,
Have you thought about coming out to the Tour Van Stop in your neck of the woods in a couple of weeks. Give you a chance to try out quite a bit of irons and at the same time possibly even take a few on the course to give a real test to.

well, unforunatley looks like not the right weekend for me. Be travling way upstate for a family wedding.

[Centurnion]

I won't comment on the why, JB covered that very well. I would question the concept of your gaps. I found that with the gaps that GI irons now make, I had to rethink the loft of my wedges as well as the rest of the bag. I would suggest that if you are rethinking your irons, you cannot leave out the change in gaps of your wedges as well. Almost all irons have strengthen lofts, not just GI irons. Many PW five years ago were 48 or 49; today, it is rare to see one under 46. All this to say, that if you are updating your bag mix, you will have the issues you bring up, unless you look at the entire bag. Just my opinion.

Great question, btw, this is a great topic and relevant as we all try out the new stuff.

[bubbachew14]

I won't comment on the why, JB covered that very well. I would question the concept of your gaps. I found that with the gaps that GI irons now make, I had to rethink the loft of my wedges as well as the rest of the bag. I would suggest that if you are rethinking your irons, you cannot leave out the change in gaps of your wedges as well. Almost all irons have strengthen lofts, not just GI irons. Many PW five years ago were 48 or 49; today, it is rare to see one under 46. All this to say, that if you are updating your bag mix, you will have the issues you bring up, unless you look at the entire bag. Just my opinion.

Great question, btw, this is a great topic and relevant as we all try out the new stuff.

Yes good advise, And similarly mention by another member as well. Would certainly have to rethink the play as it comes along until getting use to a new set and shift the yardage accordingly for each iron. And wedges also will have to change (as also mentioned) perhaps end up with one less iron (mayb the 3) and yet add in one more wedge to the bag for the shorter game and gaps when inside the PW range. Of course this all asuming and waiting to see just how much difference in yardage if any there will be when ever the time I would get new clubs..
I think I most probably would go 4 through PW and add another wedge vs my current 3-PW, AW, SW. Basically move one club down the scale and then fill the inside PW gap.

[Alkassyinhisk]

The point is that if/when i get new clubs, they will be some sort of G.I. clubs which now seem to most all be designed with the lower lofts. Why do i have to hit my PW more than the 130 I currently do? Will I not then also be comming into a green at a lower angle causing more roll we usually don't want? Then what also do I do between my PW and AW? I already have a big gap between my two existing clubs now. If a new lower lofted PW for me ends up being from 140, then anytime I may be at about the 120 to 130 mark, I'll have to swing easy, choke up, or alter my PW swing to not hit it as far. Just doesn't seem like any advantages to this newer low lofted irons situation for me. They seem to assume all high handicappers are all looking for distance but that is not the case at all. I do nead G.I. irons due to the forgiveness with my inconsistant swings but why be forced to legnthen my shots? And why would the fitter even have recommended that too me? Or perhaps he just going with the times and knows most new irons sre being made this way now.

I play with a set of juiced loft irons and its really not too tough to transition. Simply put, you just figure that your 8i is the equivalent to your 7i. So instead of thinking that your PW has more rollout, think that your new sets AW will be just about the same as your old PW and move forward. There is a reason that many of these newer sets don't sell many 3i, people see that their new 4i is the equivalent to their old 3i and use the space to close the gap from iron set to wedges.

No matter what the lofting of your new set of irons has, you will not maintain perfect gaps to your wedges. Find a setup that you like and make adjustments to create the gaps you need. Be sure to go on real world gaps versus just lofts.

[DeronBoltonRen]

I play with a set of juiced loft irons and its really not too tough to transition. Simply put, you just figure that your 8i is the equivalent to your 7i. So instead of thinking that your PW has more rollout, think that your new sets AW will be just about the same as your old PW and move forward. There is a reason that many of these newer sets don't sell many 3i, people see that their new 4i is the equivalent to their old 3i and use the space to close the gap from iron set to wedges.

No matter what the lofting of your new set of irons has, you will not maintain perfect gaps to your wedges. Find a setup that you like and make adjustments to create the gaps you need. Be sure to go on real world gaps versus just lofts.

what u say makes good sence to me and is good advise but why the change has happened? Could it all really be just driven by the fact that they (manufacturers) want to simply say thier clubs play the longest? It would seem that would be the only real hidden reason behind it all. I say that because many of you are saying I will need to readjust what I hit and from where, and some of you have had to do just that. Outside of the fact you are playing a new or newer set of clubs which makes you happy, there was no real other reason to lower the lofts. In fact even though may be no big deal, it actually caused you some bit more time settling in on top of the settling in you already would of required just to get use to the new clubs without a loft difference. So in some ways, one can say that it really wasn't truely necessary for them to keep lowering the lofts as they currently keep doing other than from a marketing point of view just to say they are the longest.