[ariniaxia]

wtf is a 7 point scale? Above 65% i think at our hs was passing. But it's been ten years...fuck me i'm old

100-93- a
85-92- b
77-84- c
69-76- d

[Vkowefek]

Would you say the same thing about Arnold Palmer who just about set the Standard for branding himself outside of golf?
Again, to buttress his life for when there will be no more golf (any of those knee problems he has had could have killed his career) and because he was lucky enough to be a "marketable commodity" I think he was just doing what came naturally w/ his success at Golf. I truly believe his overiding Goal for playing at this point, because of and/or that is driving his ego, is to be the best ever. If making a pile of money comes w/ that then so be it. I cannot hold that against him.
So as not the be an ashey/tJd; philava/phan52 kind of thing, we can just agree to disagree at this point.

First off I'm not mad or anything. I respect your points, just having a discussion and offering counterpoints.

I'm not against making the most money you can off yourself but I think its a huge part of his life and by trying to take it from him, Its the easiest way to get back at him. Nobody needs a $100 million yacht to enjoy themselves or a $90 million complex to live in. He has that because he wants to be bigger and better then everybody.

Elin isnt some hot chick from a trailer park. Yeah she was a nanny but she's from a very rich family and would be fine if she left with 3 cents.

Tiger's first statement ever after turning pro was "hello world" which also happened to be his first marketing campaign towards establishing himself as a brand. Its hard to overlook that since day 1, most of his public life has been scripted or tailored to fit an image. While being the best golfer, everything he did was money driven and choreographed to uphold the image of him being the best.

He doesnt need that image to be the best golfer. All he has to do is go out there and play golf and it will speak for himself. He needs that image to make money. If he didnt care about the image and money, imo, he would have came out day 1 after the incident and laid it all out there. He tried to cover it all up but his squeaky clean shell is gone now and people can see the real him.

I do agree he wants to be the best ever and hold all the records but he also wants to grab as much money as he can while doing it. Thats why I orginally said he only cares about winning and money.

Golf may be 1a but money is 1b. There's no way Elin can stop him from playing golf without physically hurting him but she can definitely try to take as much money as she can.

[RerRoktoido]

First off I'm not mad or anything. I respect your points, just having a discussion and offering counterpoints.

I'm not against making the most money you can off yourself but I think its a huge part of his life and by trying to take it from him, Its the easiest way to get back at him. Nobody needs a $100 million yacht to enjoy themselves or a $90 million complex to live in. He has that because he wants to be bigger and better then everybody.

Elin isnt some hot chick from a trailer park. Yeah she was a nanny but she's from a very rich family and would be fine if she left with 3 cents.

Tiger's first statement ever after turning pro was "hello world" which also happened to be his first marketing campaign towards establishing himself as a brand. Its hard to overlook that since day 1, most of his public life has been scripted or tailored to fit an image. While being the best golfer, everything he did was money driven and choreographed to uphold the image of him being the best.

He doesnt need that image to be the best golfer. All he has to do is go out there and play golf and it will speak for himself. He needs that image to make money. If he didnt care about the image and money, imo, he would have came out day 1 after the incident and laid it all out there. He tried to cover it all up but his squeaky clean shell is gone now and people can see the real him.

I do agree he wants to be the best ever and hold all the records but he also wants to grab as much money as he can while doing it. Thats why I orginally said he only cares about winning and money.

Golf may be 1a but money is 1b. There's no way Elin can stop him from playing golf without physically hurting him but she can definitely try to take as much money as she can.

Fair enough.

[sportsbettinge]

if Kobe's image can be repaired, so can Tigers

[jinnamys]

First off I'm not mad or anything. I respect your points, just having a discussion and offering counterpoints.

I'm not against making the most money you can off yourself but I think its a huge part of his life and by trying to take it from him, Its the easiest way to get back at him. Nobody needs a $100 million yacht to enjoy themselves or a $90 million complex to live in. He has that because he wants to be bigger and better then everybody.

Elin isnt some hot chick from a trailer park. Yeah she was a nanny but she's from a very rich family and would be fine if she left with 3 cents.

Tiger's first statement ever after turning pro was "hello world" which also happened to be his first marketing campaign towards establishing himself as a brand. Its hard to overlook that since day 1, most of his public life has been scripted or tailored to fit an image. While being the best golfer, everything he did was money driven and choreographed to uphold the image of him being the best.

He doesnt need that image to be the best golfer. All he has to do is go out there and play golf and it will speak for himself. He needs that image to make money. If he didnt care about the image and money, imo, he would have came out day 1 after the incident and laid it all out there. He tried to cover it all up but his squeaky clean shell is gone now and people can see the real him.

I do agree he wants to be the best ever and hold all the records but he also wants to grab as much money as he can while doing it. Thats why I orginally said he only cares about winning and money.

Golf may be 1a but money is 1b. There's no way Elin can stop him from playing golf without physically hurting him but she can definitely try to take as much money as she can.

Excellent point. And to be honest, Elin can take some of his money away... but more importantly, I think, is that she can absolutely shatter his image (beyond even what has happened so far), and truly limit his capacity to earn the ridiculous sums in the future. Write a book, be visible, and that shadow will follow Tiger... if she goes off and hides, Tiger will be back in stride in a year or two.

[XGoFivk7]

You give him no slack for wanting to do good things w/ all the money he has made? I think that is wrong.

I think it is disingenuous to say more than anything else, it is a tax writeoff. That is obviously a huge thing, but you are saying he wouldn't do it if it weren't for the tax writeoffs. You don't know that.

And even if it is solely because of the tax writeoffs, does that make him a bad person? An intentional act that creates a lot of good, no matter the intent behind the action still equals good in my opinion.

First off, I've never said fuck tiger, he's a bad person, or anything else. All I've stated is he's cares about money.

Secondly, I said more then anything its a tax write off. Which is true. I didnt say he does it just for that reason. He probably does want to help people, I know I would if I had that kind of money. There's a reason a lot of pro athletes live in florida, there's no income tax. He could easily live in Cali, where he was born and raised and play golf year round.

Do I think he wants to help people? Yes. Is it genuine? Who knows.

Kid rock may do drugs, write crappy music and fight people in waffle houses, but he's also paid a pizza guys medical bills when he was jumped and severly beaten for 15 dollars and paid for a $2 million water park for kids without saying hey look what I did.

Where's the story about Tiger going the extra mile for the everyday person other the writing checks to charity? I'm glad he gives money to help but anybody can sign their name on a piece of paper.

[Sellorect]

Excellent point. And to be honest, Elin can take some of his money away... but more importantly, I think, is that she can absolutely shatter his image (beyond even what has happened so far), and truly limit his capacity to earn the ridiculous sums in the future. Write a book, be visible, and that shadow will follow Tiger... if she goes off and hides, Tiger will be back in stride in a year or two.

Yet if Elin decides to essentially hold it over him for years afterwards, she'll be hurting the kids more than Tiger. She may be hurting Tiger more finacially, but ex-spouses holding grudges does more to mess with the children than anyone else.

[in4wikiu]

Excellent point. And to be honest, Elin can take some of his money away... but more importantly, I think, is that she can absolutely shatter his image (beyond even what has happened so far), and truly limit his capacity to earn the ridiculous sums in the future. Write a book, be visible, and that shadow will follow Tiger... if she goes off and hides, Tiger will be back in stride in a year or two.

I do not see that. Take public figures like Kobe, Bill Clinton, and even Newt Gingrich who is supposedly coming back into politics. All these people were all about "Family Values" and clean images, but in effect all their scandals did was make them more Human in peoples eyes. Isn't one of the things people do not like about Tiger is that he seems too "droid" like in getting his job done -to the point where people were shocked to hear him actually curse on the golf course? In the end these things will only alleviate that part of his image. Yes he will take a hit in some of his endorsements at 1st, but if He keeps winning, smiling, and doing good works w/ his money almost all will be forgiven.

[jinnsamys]

First off, I've never said fuck tiger, he's a bad person, or anything else. All I've stated is he's cares about money.

Secondly, I said more then anything its a tax write off. Which is true. I didnt say he does it just for that reason. He probably does want to help people, I know I would if I had that kind of money. There's a reason a lot of pro athletes live in florida, there's no income tax. He could easily live in Cali, where he was born and raised and play golf year round.

Do I think he wants to help people? Yes. Is it genuine? Who knows.

Kid rock may do drugs, write crappy music and fight people in waffle houses, but he's also paid a pizza guys medical bills when he was jumped and severly beaten for 15 dollars and paid for a $2 million water park for kids without saying hey look what I did.

Where's the story about Tiger going the extra mile for the everyday person other the writing checks to charity? I'm glad he gives money to help but anybody can sign their name on a piece of paper.

I didn't insinuate you said "fuck Tiger." All I'm saying is that you don't know anymore than than the rest of us do about whether his motivation to set up his foundation and charitable giving is more about tax writeoffs or him just wanting to do some good.

And lots of celebrities do good things for people, some we don't know about, some we do. The very fact that you know about Kid Rock's giving means it is being publicized in some fashion. Saying you haven't heard about Tiger helping the average Joe out goes against your apparent dislike of the "hey look what I've done" type of giving. You don't know what Tiger has given and to whom he's given it to. Neither do I. And I'd venture to say he does quite a bit more than just signing checks. By all accounts, he's pretty involved in his foundation and he goes out and does youth golf clinics and such quite a bit.

All I'm saying is that no matter his intentions, it still equals good. I choose not to question the intentions of those giving. If someone is giving, whether it is participation or money, it is a great thing.

[Phighicle]

I do not see that. Take public figures like Kobe, Bill Clinton, and even Newt Gingrich who is supposedly coming back into politics. All these people were all about "Family Values" and clean images, but in effect all their scandals did was make them more Human in peoples eyes. Isn't one of the things people do not like about Tiger is that he seems too "droid" like in getting his job done -to the point where people were shocked to hear him actually curse on the golf course? In the end these things will only alleviate that part of his image. Yes he will take a hit in some of his endorsements at 1st, but if He keeps winning, smiling, and doing good works w/ his money almost all will be forgiven.

I know it is just a figure of speech, but I think it is funny that a good number of people actually do think he'll need our forgiveness....or wants it.

I mean, come on folks. He didn't do anything to us. It's a family thing. And even if he's ruined his brand, that's a personal thing between him and his sponsors.

[trowUrillioth]

No person is 100% good or bad. Tiger let his ego take over and betrayed his wife, but he's not the Devil.

He has earned the punishment and pain he is now feeling. Pain and anguish are pretty good teachers. Hopefully he'll learn from his mistakes and emerge a better person.

Could Charles Manson be an exception ?

[iH1wMOhE]

I didn't insinuate you said "fuck Tiger." All I'm saying is that you don't know anymore than than the rest of us do about whether his motivation to set up his foundation and charitable giving is more about tax writeoffs or him just wanting to do some good.

And lots of celebrities do good things for people, some we don't know about, some we do. The very fact that you know about Kid Rock's giving means it is being publicized in some fashion. Saying you haven't heard about Tiger helping the average Joe out goes against your apparent dislike of the "hey look what I've done" type of giving. You don't know what Tiger has given and to whom he's given it to. Neither do I. And I'd venture to say he does quite a bit more than just signing checks. By all accounts, he's pretty involved in his foundation and he goes out and does youth golf clinics and such quite a bit.

All I'm saying is that no matter his intentions, it still equals good. I choose not to question the intentions of those giving. If someone is giving, whether it is participation or money, it is a great thing.

True, by definition wouldnt his unknown work, be, you know, unknown?

[budumol]

I know it is just a figure of speech, but I think it is funny that a good number of people actually do think he'll need our forgiveness....or wants it.

I mean, come on folks. He didn't do anything to us. It's a family thing. And even if he's ruined his brand, that's a personal thing between him and his sponsors.

But the sponsors want to sell to us, so promoting that image is important (to him, to them, and also to us as consumers).

Tiger deserves our scorn for this. Forever? Dunno... he's certainly been shoved off the pedestal at this point. And now, instead of an iconic single-minded desire to win (which appeals to companies like Nike) we find out that he'd be an ideal spokesman for Cialis. That's quite a swing....

[GlictStiply]

I didn't insinuate you said "fuck Tiger." All I'm saying is that you don't know anymore than than the rest of us do about whether his motivation to set up his foundation and charitable giving is more about tax writeoffs or him just wanting to do some good.

And lots of celebrities do good things for people, some we don't know about, some we do. The very fact that you know about Kid Rock's giving means it is being publicized in some fashion. Saying you haven't heard about Tiger helping the average Joe out goes against your apparent dislike of the "hey look what I've done" type of giving. You don't know what Tiger has given and to whom he's given it to. Neither do I. And I'd venture to say he does quite a bit more than just signing checks. By all accounts, he's pretty involved in his foundation and he goes out and does youth golf clinics and such quite a bit.

All I'm saying is that no matter his intentions, it still equals good. I choose not to question the intentions of those giving. If someone is giving, whether it is participation or money, it is a great thing.

The F tiger thing was just a blanket statement that I didn't outright condemn the guy.

You're right I dont know what he's done or hasnt done. The only reason I know about the Kid rock stuff is from word of mouth through a six degrees of separation kind of thing. So maybe I just don't know the right person to hear the good things about tiger.

Maybe he does do clinics but anything golf related just looks like a pr stunt to further his image. He wanted to show you he was a good guy.

One thing that is glaring to me is that everyday more women come out and say they've had relations with tiger but how many people have came out and said give him a break he's a good guy? Where's his friends and people who havent just benefited money wise from him standing behind him?

[syptopsygieds]

But the sponsors want to sell to us, so promoting that image is important (to him, to them, and also to us as consumers).

Tiger deserves our scorn for this. Forever? Dunno... he's certainly been shoved off the pedestal at this point. And now, instead of an iconic single-minded desire to win (which appeals to companies like Nike) we find out that he'd be an ideal spokesman for Cialis. That's quite a swing....

Ashely-Madison has a $5 mil endorsement on the table.

Its just too bad he used ambien for recreational purposes or he could of cashed in on that too.

[ruforumczspam]

But the sponsors want to sell to us, so promoting that image is important (to him, to them, and also to us as consumers).

Tiger deserves our scorn for this. Forever? Dunno... he's certainly been shoved off the pedestal at this point. And now, instead of an iconic single-minded desire to win (which appeals to companies like Nike) we find out that he'd be an ideal spokesman for Cialis. That's quite a swing....

I understand that his actions deserve scorn. But I also don't think we deserve explanations or anything of the sort. It's a personal issue.

Sure, he definitely has a brand that he sold and most bought into, but should he have to apologize to us because he took actions that ended up turning that brand on it's head? I don't think so. Will he give that? Probably. Do we deserve it? Not in my opinion.

It's definitely a pretty historic fall from grace, but after he comes back to golf, it'll fade. Obviously the closest comparison we can probably make is Kobe....and Kobe was accused of a heinous crime, which ultimately seemingly turned out to be a situation very similar to Tiger's -- women on the side. A mere 5 years later and we are lucky if the situation is mentioned in passing more than once or twice a year. Not only that, people sickeningly talk about him as if he's infallible.

As a society, we like a fall from grace. We also love a comeback story.

[Doctor-CTAC]

The F tiger thing was just a blanket statement that I didn't outright condemn the guy.

You're right I dont know what he's done or hasnt done. The only reason I know about the Kid rock stuff is from word of mouth through a six degrees of separation kind of thing. So maybe I just don't know the right person to hear the good things about tiger.

Maybe he does do clinics but anything golf related just looks like a pr stunt to further his image. He wanted to show you he was a good guy.

One thing that is glaring to me is that everyday more women come out and say they've had relations with tiger but how many people have came out and said give him a break he's a good guy? Where's his friends and people who havent just benefited money wise from him standing behind him?

I've heard his caddie, some athletes from other sports and lots of golfers say the things you are looking to hear. I doubt Tiger's real close friends are running to the media to talk.

As for his participation and such, I don't know how many more ways to say it. You don't know what his motivations are. Neither do I. Saying he only did certain things because he wanted us to think certain things is just false. No one can know that.

He gives money and it's "hey look at me" or only done because of tax writeoffs. You don't hear about him giving to the average Joe and he's wrong there too. He puts in time and effort into his foundation, learning center and golf clinics for kids and he's just doing it because he wants us to think he's a good guy.

We'll just have to agree to disagree....because I think you'll find something wrong or bad intentions behind anything good he does. It's no secret that I'm a fan of Tiger...so I'm likely biased the other way. But when it comes to giving time, money and effort, I'm not going to question anyone. No question Tiger is a terrible husband, but ripping him for charitable efforts is a pretty big stretch.

[strmini]

#### tiger. great golfer if not the best ever but personally...#### him.

youd be saying fuck everybody if you knew how many athletes do this when they are on the road.


he cheated, BIG FUCKING DEAL, move on.

[Jasonstawnosaa]

75% of pro athletes cheat

Tiger cheating isnt a shocker and quite frankly, I could give two shits what he does in his personal life.

[OWV9LSxH]

It is near the Christmas break of the school year. The students have turned in all their work and there is really nothing more to do.

All the children are restless and the teacher decides to have an early dismissal.

Teacher: "Whoever answers the questions I ask, first and correctly can
leave early today."

Little Johnny says to himself "Good, I want to get outta here. I'm smart
and will answer the question."

Teacher: "Who said 'Four Score and Seven Years Ago'?"

Before Johnny can open his mouth, Susie says, "Abraham Lincoln."

Teacher: "That's right Susie, you can go home."

Johnny is mad that Susie answered the question first.

Teacher: "Who said 'I Have a Dream'?"

Before Johnny can open his mouth, Mary says, "Martin Luther King."

Teacher: "That's right Mary, you can go."

Johnny is even madder than before.

Teacher: "Who said 'Ask not, what your country can do for you'?"

Before Johnny can open his mouth, Nancy says, "John F. Kennedy."

Teacher: "That's right Nancy, you may also leave."

Johnny is boiling mad that he has notbeen able to answer to any of the
questions.

When the teacher turns her back Johnny says, "I wish these bitches would
keep their mouths shut!"

The teacher turns around: "NOW WHO SAID THAT?"

Johnny: "TIGER WOODS. CAN I GO NOW?"