[jamemeveRhype]

recently i was playing a round with a society. the course was frozen when we arrived, after an hour wait it opened but they had put up a sign saying all bunkers not in play. on the 4th i put my approach into a green side bunker.

my question is do i drop my ball in line with point of entry to the bunker or do i drop it in line with the flag behind the bunker ???????????

[Kubasarika]

Straightline from entry into bunker and no closer to the hole.

[Rexaviennatutr]

Straightline from entry into bunker and no closer to the hole.

Does this technically mean that in this instance, you will always be placed farther from the hole?

[Skete]

recently i was playing a round with a society. the course was frozen when we arrived, after an hour wait it opened but they had put up a sign saying all bunkers not in play. on the 4th i put my approach into a green side bunker.

my question is do i drop my ball in line with point of entry to the bunker or do i drop it in line with the flag behind the bunker ???????????

From what I am reading, it's the latter. I couldn't find anything specific, so I was treating it as ground under repair (without the penalty for dropping outside of the bunker). What was the local ruling?

[jamemeveRhype]

Does this technically mean that in this instance, you will always be placed farther from the hole?

thats what i was thinking plus it also could take the bunker out of the next shot

[jamemeveRhype]

From what I am reading, it's the latter. I couldn't find anything specific, so I was treating it as ground under repair (without the penalty for dropping outside of the bunker). What was the local ruling?

there was no local ruling sign only said bunkers out of play

[Kubasarika]

Does this technically mean that in this instance, you will always be placed farther from the hole?

Yeah it does. But that is always thrown onto the end of all drop rules that I've read.

[!!Aaroncheg]

GUR requires dropping at point of nearest relief, no closer to the hole; this would seem to apply in this situation.

Lateral hazard has an option to drop within two club lengths of the spot where the ball entered the hazard.

Water hazard requires dropping at a spot that keeps the point of entry between the ball and the hole.

(You can always replay the shot from the original spot)
(Only the GUR situation does not call for a 1 shot penalty)

So neither of the original options is technically correct, but may apply incidentally.

[Rexaviennatutr]

GUR requires dropping at point of nearest relief, no closer to the hole; this would seem to apply in this situation.

Lateral hazard has an option to drop within two club lengths of the spot where the ball entered the hazard.

Water hazard requires dropping at a spot that keeps the point of entry between the ball and the hole.

(You can always replay the shot from the original spot)
(Only the GUR situation does not call for a 1 shot penalty)

That's unfortunate - for someone who could have been on the green in one from that bunker, they'll now be on the green in two. I guess it makes sense since those bunkers can then be likened to being OB.

[Forex Trading Software]

I would take the line that your ball and the pin make, and walk directly away from the pin along that line.

[jamemeveRhype]

I would take the line that your ball and the pin make, and walk directly away from the pin along that line.

that what i did because i figured i would only be gaining an advantage by playing it from point of entry as the bunker was out of my line then. whereas behind the bunker i still had to play over it

[Skete]

that what i did because i figured i would only be gaining an advantage by playing it from point of entry as the bunker was out of my line then. whereas behind the bunker i still had to play over it

I think you played it correctly.

[Squeernemergo]

there was no local ruling sign only said bunkers out of play

That means that the bunkers are treated as ground under repair through the green from which play is prohibited. This is the only way that they can be taken out of play under the rules. See Rule 25 for procedure:

(i)Through the Green: If the ball lies through the green, the player must lift the ball and drop it, without penalty, within one club-length of and not nearer the hole than the nearest point of relief. The nearest point of relief must not be in a hazard or on a putting green. When the ball is dropped within one club-length of the nearest point of relief, the ball must first strike a part of the course at a spot that avoids interference by the condition and is not in a hazard and not on a putting green. To locate the nearest point of relief you find the nearest point outside of the ground under repair from where the ball lies in the bunker, and where you can take your stance with the club you would normally use for that shot. That point must not be closer to the hole than where the ball lay in the ground under repair, and you must take complete relief for both stance and lie. Once that point is determined, then you can drop in an arc of one clublength, not nearer the hole than the NPR. The ball must not roll closer to the hole than the NPR, nor more than 2 clublengths from where it first hits the ground, and it must not roll back into interference from the GUR.

Dropping the ball back on any line away from the hole is an incorrect procedure. That would only apply if it was a water hazard or if the ball was declared unplayable under Rule 28.

[Skete]

That means that the bunkers are treated as ground under repair through the green from which play is prohibited. This is the only way that they can be taken out of play under the rules. See Rule 25 for procedure:



To locate the nearest point of relief you find the nearest point outside of the ground under repair from where the ball lies in the bunker, and where you can take your stance with the club you would normally use for that shot. That point must not be closer to the hole than where the ball lay in the ground under repair, and you must take complete relief for both stance and lie. Once that point is determined, then you can drop in an arc of one clublength, not nearer the hole than the NPR. The ball must not roll closer to the hole than the NPR, nor more than 2 clublengths from where it first hits the ground, and it must not roll back into interference from the GUR.

Dropping the ball back on any line away from the hole is an incorrect procedure. That would only apply if it was a water hazard or if the ball was declared unplayable under Rule 28.

Thanks for the clarification. Golf rules make me crazy.

[jamemeveRhype]

thanks fourputt. never easy to get the head around some rules

[asharbiq]

That means that the bunkers are treated as ground under repair through the green from which play is prohibited. This is the only way that they can be taken out of play under the rules. See Rule 25 for procedure:



To locate the nearest point of relief you find the nearest point outside of the ground under repair from where the ball lies in the bunker, and where you can take your stance with the club you would normally use for that shot. That point must not be closer to the hole than where the ball lay in the ground under repair, and you must take complete relief for both stance and lie. Once that point is determined, then you can drop in an arc of one clublength, not nearer the hole than the NPR. The ball must not roll closer to the hole than the NPR, nor more than 2 clublengths from where it first hits the ground, and it must not roll back into interference from the GUR.

Dropping the ball back on any line away from the hole is an incorrect procedure. That would only apply if it was a water hazard or if the ball was declared unplayable under Rule 28.

I was waiting for you to come in and post, Rick. Seems what is logical to do is usually not the correct thing to do!

[Squeernemergo]

I was waiting for you to come in and post, Rick. Seems what is logical to do is usually not the correct thing to do!

I hope that it's correct. If they are treating it any differently, then it's something that Ive never hear of. Actually the strongest recommendation I've read about this sort of issue is that the course should not even be opened for play if it is in such bad shape. They usually recommend declaring the bunkers as GUR when it's only a few, or one or two that are unplayable, but if the entire course has such an issue, they strongly recommend not even trying to allow play.

[jamemeveRhype]

I hope that it's correct. If they are treating it any differently, then it's something that Ive never hear of. Actually the strongest recommendation I've read about this sort of issue is that the course should not even be opened for play if it is in such bad shape. They usually recommend declaring the bunkers as GUR when it's only a few, or one or two that are unplayable, but if the entire course has such an issue, they strongly recommend not even trying to allow play.

to be honest with you its the type of course that still opens when everywhere else is closed. your right in your point about declaring the bunkers are GUR but this course opened over christmas with greens that were even dangerous to walk on. the main reason i asked the question was for my own understanding of the rule not so much for the course