[xanaxonlinexanax]

honestly....Tom Watson can say whatever he wants and it really doesn't effect you or me. He did a local news interview from his personal office and now it's all over the place. It was his opinion and he's entitled to it.

I am with you....I worry about myself and let everyone else figure out their own stuff. But I'm not going to smite someone for speaking their mind. And I'm def. not going to get upset about it. And if in the off chance I speak my mind (:cough: caddy bib ).....I appreciate it when people don't get all up in arms and freak out.

well said Snickers!

[lorryuncori]

i still don't understand why it matters to anyone that Tom Watson has decided to make public statements about Tiger Woods?


honestly....are you upset because someone is questioning Tiger Woods? if Tom Watson called Phil Mickelson or John Daly out.....would you be upset?

[fujitsusi]

Now, Watson has came out again and now says Tiger should go public w/ everything. First off, why? Secondly, it's none of our business. Thirdly, why should Tiger be listening to Tom? Fourthly, why is Tom talking about this? I just don't get it. In my personal view, Tom went from a very likable guy to someone I don't really care for anymore. I know plenty of others are on the same page as I am as well.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/finger...keletons-27769

Mr. Watson should never have said anything about Tiger. Arnold Palmer knew better than to say anything, and that was partly due to Palmer having a bit of fun himself w/ the ladies in his hey-day.

It also sounds like Mr. Watson was far from perfect in his hey-day as well, nor liked to talk to the media about his personal life.

A little hypocritical, no?



Interesting you should say that.

(a) Arnie isn't saying anything about Tiger because he and Tiger have a personal relationship. Also, I suspect, because Arnie wants Tiger at his tournament.

(b) I don't recall Tom Watson ever having a stable of ho's that he flew to his tournaments, spent "time" with while his father was dying, crashed his car while in an Ambien (or other drug) induced haze. And Watson certainly never behaved the way Tiger does on the course. So if you have some super secret information on Tom Watson's personal indiscretions, please share. Because, as the article you linked correctly states, it was Watson's wife who left him. Not the other way around. And, as the article also states, there is no information whatsoever that Watson had an extramarital affair with his now wife. Just that they got married 2 years after his divorce.

(c) Even assuming that the two situations were identical, that doesn't mean that Watson's statements are incorrect. To claim otherwise would be the same as claiming that a former drug addict should not be able to suggest that a current drug addict to go to rehab.

(d) None of our business? Of course it is our business. Because Tiger Woods is a business. Woods marketed himself. He inserted himself into our living rooms, our malls, our supermarkets, our airports, and every other place where a TV, billboard, or magazine could be found . . . and he did it for money. Woods chose to make himself a public figure for profit. Quite a tidy profit too. He chose to open himself up to scrutiny. And the bigger the scandal, the bigger the scrutiny. If it had been one woman, one time, I might tend to agree with the sentiment that it was a family matter. But it isn't. And Woods himself wasn't particularly private about his indiscretions, so why should the public be now?

(d) Isn't it possible, just possible, that your newfound dislike of Watson is more a result of your affinity for Nike and Woods than the legitimacy of Watson's statements?


(e) What's so "interesting" about Hoosier's comment?

[Siliespiriulk]

I think Watson is right insofar as his opinion about Tiger cutting back (or eliminating) his tantrums after a bad shot and the associated outbursts. I think it's time that Tiger grew up in that regard.

Mind you, I don't have a problem with him getting mad after a bad shot or even cursing himself out for it. It's just that in the last couple of years it's gotten way out of control and when he threw the club into the gallery, that did it for me.

But as far as Tiger "needing" to offer the public a full accounting of his actions, I think that's ridiculous. He doesn't "owe" anyone any explanations and what happens in his private life ought to stay there.

If someone suggested he apologize for all of the turmoil he has caused, maybe I'd go with that. But to say that he should be offering some kind of "chapter and verse" explanation including all of the intimate details of his life - that's absurd.


-JP

[Âåðåùàãèí]

The separation of private and public life is a difficult one.I`m afraid for Tiger they have become intrinsically linked.If he`d behaved himself he could of maintained the separation.However as a huge global sporting star he`s embraced the world of scandal,as many in that position are prone to do,and from that media feeding frenzy there is no escape.Hyenas on a carcass!!!!Tom Watson was certainly justified in his comments and to be honest Tiger needs a right good kick up the arse;and that bouncing the club into the gallery in Australia,his playing partners should have bollocked him for it.What a tool!!!

[TheDoctor]

(a) Arnie isn't saying anything about Tiger because he and Tiger have a personal relationship. Also, I suspect, because Arnie wants Tiger at his tournament.

(b) I don't recall Tom Watson ever having a stable of ho's that he flew to his tournaments, spent "time" with while his father was dying, crashed his car while in an Ambien (or other drug) induced haze. And Watson certainly never behaved the way Tiger does on the course. So if you have some super secret information on Tom Watson's personal indiscretions, please share. Because, as the article you linked correctly states, it was Watson's wife who left him. Not the other way around. And, as the article also states, there is no information whatsoever that Watson had an extramarital affair with his now wife. Just that they got married 2 years after his divorce.

(c) Even assuming that the two situations were identical, that doesn't mean that Watson's statements are incorrect. To claim otherwise would be the same as claiming that a former drug addict should not be able to suggest that a current drug addict to go to rehab.

(d) None of our business? Of course it is our business. Because Tiger Woods is a business. Woods marketed himself. He inserted himself into our living rooms, our malls, our supermarkets, our airports, and every other place where a TV, billboard, or magazine could be found . . . and he did it for money. Woods chose to make himself a public figure for profit. Quite a tidy profit too. He chose to open himself up to scrutiny. And the bigger the scandal, the bigger the scrutiny. If it had been one woman, one time, I might tend to agree with the sentiment that it was a family matter. But it isn't. And Woods himself wasn't particularly private about his indiscretions, so why should the public be now?

(d) Isn't it possible, just possible, that your newfound dislike of Watson is more a result of your affinity for Nike and Woods than the legitimacy of Watson's statements?


(e) What's so "interesting" about Hoosier's comment?

Point by point.

A. You can make the argument Arnold hasn't said anything because of his relationship w/ Tiger, but I really think it's more than that. Are you denying Arnold was a bit of a ladies man in his day? Also, Nicklaus hasn't said anything about this either. Jack has no tournament he needs Tiger to play in. Phil handled it right by saying he's not going to talk about it.

B. I'm not comparing Watson to Tiger. I'm not saying Watson did anything like Tiger ever did. What I am saying is Tom has battled some of his own demons w/ the bottle, his own family, and as a husband. He never wanted to talk about it, and he never did. Now, he wants Tiger to talk about his personal life? That's a big part that is hypocritical to me.

C. Tiger never did anything harmful to himself or illegal as far as the law is concerned. So why would Tiger need all of this "advice" on how to "get better"? We're not talking about a drinking or drug problem here. He's a married man who liked multiple women. That's a personal issue between Tiger and his family. Only he can fix it and work it out.

D. This is where people are split. I really believe this isn't our business. Tiger is a public figure, and an athlete, and yes, he makes money, mainly based off of us. But, what is he getting paid for? How has he made all of his money? Through golf, right? He's a great golfer, and has been rewarded substantially by it. Where is the rule that says he or any other athlete has to even be a good person? Or be a good family man? Or can't cheat on his wife (that so many do already)? I don't remember him, or any other pro athlete sign any contract stating that they had to come clean if caught doing anything remotely bad. Yeah, Tiger was a bad boy. You can't do what he was doing. I agree w/ that. At the same time, it wasn't illegal or harmful to himself, so it's between him and his family.

E. I will reserve comment on this. Hehe. Seriously, Tiger was part of the reason I got into golf. I like Tiger. I'm a competitive guy myself who can show it from time to time. So, I kind of "understand" the kind of guy Tiger is. So yeah, I admit it, I excuse just about everything he does that some others find "appalling" or "inappropriate" on the course. The swearing, club throwing, etc. He's so competitive and wired up to do well, that when he doesn't, sometimes he does things without thinking. I've been around and played sports most of my life. I've played with and against some pretty competitive guys. I have seen things (and done some) that just happen in the heat of the moment. I know not everyone "gets" that, so they see the swearing and club throwing and dismiss it as someone acting like a kid throwing a tantrum out there. Well, it's really not that simple. Some people "are" and/or understand what kind of person Tiger is, and some don't.

F. Hoosier made the comment that Tom has somehow earned the right to speak about Tiger the way he has. What I was more or less referring to is his latest comments about Tiger. Saying how Tiger should come public with everything, when Tom himself hasn't talked publicly about anything from his personal life. How has Tom earned any right to say anything about what Tiger should or shouldn't do?

[TheDoctor]

i still don't understand why it matters to anyone that Tom Watson has decided to make public statements about Tiger Woods?


honestly....are you upset because someone is questioning Tiger Woods? if Tom Watson called Phil Mickelson or John Daly out.....would you be upset?

Honestly, yes I would. I don't like others passing judgment and talking publicly about others the way Watson is doing here. Whether it's about Tiger, Daly, Phil, Villegas, etc etc.

Worry about yourself.

[Siliespiriulk]

Point by point.

A. You can make the argument Arnold hasn't said anything because of his relationship w/ Tiger, but I really think it's more than that. Are you denying Arnold was a bit of a ladies man in his day? Also, Nicklaus hasn't said anything about this either. Jack has no tournament he needs Tiger to play in. Phil handled it right by saying he's not going to talk about it.

B. I'm not comparing Watson to Tiger. I'm not saying Watson did anything like Tiger ever did. What I am saying is Tom has battled some of his own demons w/ the bottle, his own family, and as a husband. He never wanted to talk about it, and he never did. Now, he wants Tiger to talk about his personal life? That's a big part that is hypocritical to me.

C. Tiger never did anything harmful to himself or illegal as far as the law is concerned. So why would Tiger need all of this "advice" on how to "get better"? We're not talking about a drinking or drug problem here. He's a married man who liked multiple women. That's a personal issue between Tiger and his family. Only he can fix it and work it out.

D. This is where people are split. I really believe this isn't our business. Tiger is a public figure, and an athlete, and yes, he makes money, mainly based off of us. But, what is he getting paid for? How has he made all of his money? Through golf, right? He's a great golfer, and has been rewarded substantially by it. Where is the rule that says he or any other athlete has to even be a good person? Or be a good family man? Or can't cheat on his wife (that so many do already)? I don't remember him, or any other pro athlete sign any contract stating that they had to come clean if caught doing anything remotely bad. Yeah, Tiger was a bad boy. You can't do what he was doing. I agree w/ that. At the same time, it wasn't illegal or harmful to himself, so it's between him and his family.

E. I will reserve comment on this. Hehe. Seriously, Tiger was part of the reason I got into golf. I like Tiger. I'm a competitive guy myself who can show it from time to time. So, I kind of "understand" the kind of guy Tiger is. So yeah, I admit it, I excuse just about everything he does that some others find "appalling" or "inappropriate" on the course. The swearing, club throwing, etc. He's so competitive and wired up to do well, that when he doesn't, sometimes he does things without thinking. I've been around and played sports most of my life. I've played with and against some pretty competitive guys. I have seen things (and done some) that just happen in the heat of the moment. I know not everyone "gets" that, so they see the swearing and club throwing and dismiss it as someone acting like a kid throwing a tantrum out there. Well, it's really not that simple. Some people "are" and/or understand what kind of person Tiger is, and some don't.

F. Hoosier made the comment that Tom has somehow earned the right to speak about Tiger the way he has. What I was more or less referring to is his latest comments about Tiger. Saying how Tiger should come public with everything, when Tom himself hasn't talked publicly about anything from his personal life. How has Tom earned any right to say anything about what Tiger should or shouldn't do?

I agree with everything you've written except for "E".

First of all, I "get" Tiger and I get all of the competitive stuff and I fully understand frustration. One of the things I like about Tiger is that he doesn't hide his emotions and he's not afraid to let them fly and I'm the same way myself.

That said, I do believe that lately, Tiger's outbursts seem to be somewhat staged or in some ways more of a "poor me" type of thing than a genuine reaction to what just happened. He seems overly dramatic and it seems to happen more profoundly when he's shot himself out of contention and thus seems to use these outbursts to keep the attention focused on himself despite his distant place on the leaderboard. That just seems too much like pouting rather than a man driving himself to do better.

Maybe some of that was related to what he knew was going on in his life (before everyone else did) and if so, I understand where that comes from. But overall, the club slamming act is getting old and I think it's time to grow up a bit.

Other than that, I don't have a single issue with Tiger or what he's done or why he did it because THAT part of who he is, is none of my business and none of my concern.


-JP

[TheDoctor]

I agree with everything you've written except for "E".

First of all, I "get" Tiger and I get all of the competitive stuff and I fully understand frustration. One of the things I like about Tiger is that he doesn't hide his emotions and he's not afraid to let them fly and I'm the same way myself.

That said, I do believe that lately, Tiger's outbursts seem to be somewhat staged or in some ways more of a "poor me" type of thing than a genuine reaction to what just happened. He seems overly dramatic and it seems to happen more profoundly when he's shot himself out of contention and thus seems to use these outbursts to keep the attention focused on himself despite his distant place on the leaderboard. That just seems too much like pouting rather than a man driving himself to do better.

Maybe some of that was related to what he knew was going on in his life (before everyone else did) and if so, I understand where that comes from. But overall, the club slamming act is getting old and I think it's time to grow up a bit.

Other than that, I don't have a single issue with Tiger or what he's done or why he did it because THAT part of who he is, is none of my business and none of my concern.


-JP

Good stuff. And, yeah, I can concede that not everything Tiger does on the course I like either. But, he is human and prone to screw up and do stupid things just like the rest of us.

With all the popularity of Tiger and everyone following his every shot and move on the course, anything remotely "controversial" he does is going to be shown and talked about. That part of all his fame works against him.

If golfer John Doe, who no one has ever heard of, throws a club or acts out a bit, does anyone know about it? Much less talk about it? Of course not.

I'm not an apologizer for Tiger. Like I said, I don't necessarily like EVERYTHING the guy does, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and/or excuse some of his behavior a little more often than some other people. I would rather see some bad sides of having a little competitive fire than a guy going out there just playing for a check.

My goodness. He's arguably the biggest sports figure since Michael Jordan. With that comes the fame and fortune, but extra scrutiny as well.

Throw in the folks who will never like Tiger no matter what based on "what" he is. (You know what I'm talking about)

[soSldI4i]

Throw in the folks who will never like Tiger no matter what based on "what" he is. (You know what I'm talking about)

Please don't go there, I hear a lot of crap being thrown around but have never ever heard anyone refer to Tiger in the manner to which you are referring.