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**UriDepkeeks** · 08-02-2010, 07:26 AM

I'm sitting here watching the sbs championship on the golf channel and the announcers keep talking about the new groove rules. Has anyone noticed a difference in the pros chip shots or wedge shots not acting like the way they were last year?

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**UriDepkeeks** · 09-01-2010, 05:10 PM

No one?

**TorryJens** · 09-01-2010, 05:12 PM

Sorry,Haven't watched one bit of it

**DrBrightonone** · 09-01-2010, 05:13 PM

As awful as it seems, I quit watching golf the day Tiger wrecked his Escalade. I just hope most other people weren't affected the same way or the tour will be in real trouble for sponsors and TV time.

**TorryJens** · 09-01-2010, 05:18 PM

As awful as it seems, I quit watching golf the day Tiger wrecked his Escalade. I just hope most other people weren't affected the same way or the tour will be in real trouble for sponsors and TV time.

Really? So there is only one person for you to have watched? Tiger isn't the tour,there are many other great players to watch. The really nice thing about watching golf now that Tiger is on vacation - Is that we won't spen the next 3 hrs only talking of tiger.Going to be nice to see others play some golf.

**PolPitasc** · 09-01-2010, 05:41 PM

I've watched a little, mostly because I have a Yahoo fantasy team. I've not really noticed a change. I'm guessing the big problem for them will be from the rough.

**compiit** · 09-01-2010, 05:41 PM

Really? So there is only one person for you to have watched? Tiger isn't the tour,there are many other great players to watch.

I still watch it but ratings are about 55% of what they are when he is in the field, so millions agree with CT.

Lets keep this one about the OP's question though.

**Vodonaeva** · 09-01-2010, 06:04 PM

I've watched a little, mostly because I have a Yahoo fantasy team. I've not really noticed a change. I'm guessing the big problem for them will be from the rough.

I think you are right on that point. Some of the players interviewed said the groove rule only affected the wedges for them. So only comes into play when they can't get the face of the club cleanly on the ball.

**UriDepkeeks** · 09-01-2010, 06:10 PM

I noticed that the pitches and wedging the balls wern't sticking too the green as harshly as usual.....could that be due to the new grooves i wonder?

**gopsbousperie** · 09-01-2010, 06:40 PM

A lot of players switched to the new grooves last year,they will be used to them and any miniscule changes that it may involve.

**aaaaaaahabbbby** · 09-01-2010, 07:08 PM

I haven't watched any but I'm interested to see if fairway percentages go up and driving distance goes down like the Pro suggested in another thread as a possibility resulting from the new groove rules...

Interested to see the effect at Augusta and the US Open, especially this year...I have a feeling that in years following the green speeds will be toned down but this year I'll bet the greens will be fast as ever and the players will score a little higher due to the new rules; would guess that it will take a little time for greenskeepers to figure out the balance...

**UriDepkeeks** · 09-01-2010, 07:13 PM

I haven't watched any but I'm interested to see if fairway percentages go up and driving distance goes down like the Pro suggested in another thread as a possibility resulting from the new groove rules...

Interested to see the effect at Augusta and the US Open, especially this year...I have a feeling that in years following the green speeds will be toned down but this year I'll bet the greens will be fast as ever and the players will score a little higher due to the new rules; would guess that it will take a little time for greenskeepers to figure out the balance...

So you think they will adjust the green speeds to compensate for the new groove rules huh?

**poRmawayncmop** · 09-01-2010, 07:50 PM

So you think they will adjust the green speeds to compensate for the new groove rules huh?

I sincerely hope that they don't. The new grooves should only affect shots from rough. For shots from the fairway, you should see no difference, so why change anything? Reward the player who hits a good tee shot. That's what the groove change is all about. If it doesn't do what the RB's hope for then then it's possible that they will look at more changes.

**rhiniddibiarmr** · 09-01-2010, 07:53 PM

I sincerely hope that they don't. The new grooves should only affect shots from rough. For shots from the fairway, you should see no difference, so why change anything? Reward the player who hits a good tee shot. That's what the groove change is all about. If it doesn't do what the RB's hope for then then it's possible that they will look at more changes.

That's the same thing I was thinking

**kvitacencia** · 09-01-2010, 07:56 PM

I watched Thursday's broadcast and I started to get sick of all the talk of the changes. Even during the pro interviews they were asking, "So how are the new grooves affecting your shots today?"

I think Faldo was trying to calm down all the talk. At one point I think he got tired of it too and said something along the lines of, "...you really won't see the effect until they play tighter fairways and firmer greens." I'm in agreement with Mr. Faldo.

**bashansasasasa** · 09-01-2010, 08:04 PM

I haven't really watched enough to make a statement other than this.Those on tour will find a way to be just as good ,they put in so much time practicing shots they'll overcome any rule change to the grooves.

**compiit** · 09-01-2010, 08:08 PM

Lets not forget that manufacturers will continue to help these guys increase spin. Via the ball, adding more grooves to the wedge, etc.

**UriDepkeeks** · 09-01-2010, 08:10 PM

I watched Thursday's broadcast and I started to get sick of all the talk of the changes. Even during the pro interviews they were asking, "So how are the new grooves affecting your shots today?"

I think Faldo was trying to calm down all the talk. At one point I think he got tired of it too and said something along the lines of, "...you really won't see the effect until they play tighter fairways and firmer greens." I'm in agreement with Mr. Faldo.

I was getting a little tired of the announcers saying it all of the time as well.

**defenderfors** · 09-01-2010, 08:28 PM

Probably have only watched maybe an hours worth, if that, for the two days. With that said, I have not seen any difference. I have notice a few very high, long shots, that drop, and stop, which I attribute the greens being lower than where the ball is being hit from. I have also noticed some really good putting, but quite a few missed putts, I thought should have been made.

Thursday the telecast came on at noon. One of the shots I saw was Stricker hitting the green from 200 yards with a 4i, but being some 70 feet away from the pin On Friday I turn on the telecast at 12:30, and low and behold there's Stricker again with a 4i going for the same green from what looked to be the same spot in the fairway. The ball even landed in pretty much the same spot that it did the day before. It was not until his first putt was an identical miss that I figured out I was watching day one footage.

Second day coverage did not come on until an hour or so later.

**poRmawayncmop** · 09-01-2010, 08:31 PM

Lets not forget that manufacturers will continue to help these guys increase spin. Via the ball, adding more grooves to the wedge, etc.

They can't really add more grooves without enlarging the face. The rule specification includes minimum spacing between the grooves. Changing the ball too much to add spin from the rough is more likely to result in too much spin from the fairway. That can be harder to manage than the added rollout when playing shots from the rough. You end up punishing the good tee shots and rewarding the bad ones.

You won't notice a lot of difference at Kapalua because the greens are not as fast as most that they play on tour.

08-02-2010, 07:26 AM	#1
UriDepkeeks Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 396 Senior Member	Anyone notice a difference? I'm sitting here watching the sbs championship on the golf channel and the announcers keep talking about the new groove rules. Has anyone noticed a difference in the pros chip shots or wedge shots not acting like the way they were last year? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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UriDepkeeks Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 396 Senior Member	No one? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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DrBrightonone Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 556 Senior Member	As awful as it seems, I quit watching golf the day Tiger wrecked his Escalade. I just hope most other people weren't affected the same way or the tour will be in real trouble for sponsors and TV time. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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TorryJens Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	As awful as it seems, I quit watching golf the day Tiger wrecked his Escalade. I just hope most other people weren't affected the same way or the tour will be in real trouble for sponsors and TV time. Really? So there is only one person for you to have watched? Tiger isn't the tour,there are many other great players to watch. The really nice thing about watching golf now that Tiger is on vacation - Is that we won't spen the next 3 hrs only talking of tiger.Going to be nice to see others play some golf. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 05:41 PM	#6
PolPitasc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	I've watched a little, mostly because I have a Yahoo fantasy team. I've not really noticed a change. I'm guessing the big problem for them will be from the rough. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 05:41 PM	#7
compiit Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 513 Senior Member	Really? So there is only one person for you to have watched? Tiger isn't the tour,there are many other great players to watch. I still watch it but ratings are about 55% of what they are when he is in the field, so millions agree with CT. Lets keep this one about the OP's question though. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 06:04 PM	#8
Vodonaeva Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	I've watched a little, mostly because I have a Yahoo fantasy team. I've not really noticed a change. I'm guessing the big problem for them will be from the rough. I think you are right on that point. Some of the players interviewed said the groove rule only affected the wedges for them. So only comes into play when they can't get the face of the club cleanly on the ball. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 06:10 PM	#9
UriDepkeeks Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 396 Senior Member	I noticed that the pitches and wedging the balls wern't sticking too the green as harshly as usual.....could that be due to the new grooves i wonder? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 06:40 PM	#10
gopsbousperie Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	A lot of players switched to the new grooves last year,they will be used to them and any miniscule changes that it may involve. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 07:08 PM	#11
aaaaaaahabbbby Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 359 Senior Member	I haven't watched any but I'm interested to see if fairway percentages go up and driving distance goes down like the Pro suggested in another thread as a possibility resulting from the new groove rules... Interested to see the effect at Augusta and the US Open, especially this year...I have a feeling that in years following the green speeds will be toned down but this year I'll bet the greens will be fast as ever and the players will score a little higher due to the new rules; would guess that it will take a little time for greenskeepers to figure out the balance... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 07:13 PM	#12
UriDepkeeks Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 396 Senior Member	I haven't watched any but I'm interested to see if fairway percentages go up and driving distance goes down like the Pro suggested in another thread as a possibility resulting from the new groove rules... Interested to see the effect at Augusta and the US Open, especially this year...I have a feeling that in years following the green speeds will be toned down but this year I'll bet the greens will be fast as ever and the players will score a little higher due to the new rules; would guess that it will take a little time for greenskeepers to figure out the balance... So you think they will adjust the green speeds to compensate for the new groove rules huh? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 07:50 PM	#13
poRmawayncmop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 664 Senior Member	So you think they will adjust the green speeds to compensate for the new groove rules huh? I sincerely hope that they don't. The new grooves should only affect shots from rough. For shots from the fairway, you should see no difference, so why change anything? Reward the player who hits a good tee shot. That's what the groove change is all about. If it doesn't do what the RB's hope for then then it's possible that they will look at more changes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 07:53 PM	#14
rhiniddibiarmr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 533 Senior Member	I sincerely hope that they don't. The new grooves should only affect shots from rough. For shots from the fairway, you should see no difference, so why change anything? Reward the player who hits a good tee shot. That's what the groove change is all about. If it doesn't do what the RB's hope for then then it's possible that they will look at more changes. That's the same thing I was thinking Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 07:56 PM	#15
kvitacencia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	I watched Thursday's broadcast and I started to get sick of all the talk of the changes. Even during the pro interviews they were asking, "So how are the new grooves affecting your shots today?" I think Faldo was trying to calm down all the talk. At one point I think he got tired of it too and said something along the lines of, "...you really won't see the effect until they play tighter fairways and firmer greens." I'm in agreement with Mr. Faldo. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 08:04 PM	#16
bashansasasasa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 702 Senior Member	I haven't really watched enough to make a statement other than this.Those on tour will find a way to be just as good ,they put in so much time practicing shots they'll overcome any rule change to the grooves. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 08:08 PM	#17
compiit Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 513 Senior Member	Lets not forget that manufacturers will continue to help these guys increase spin. Via the ball, adding more grooves to the wedge, etc. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 08:10 PM	#18
UriDepkeeks Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 396 Senior Member	I watched Thursday's broadcast and I started to get sick of all the talk of the changes. Even during the pro interviews they were asking, "So how are the new grooves affecting your shots today?" I think Faldo was trying to calm down all the talk. At one point I think he got tired of it too and said something along the lines of, "...you really won't see the effect until they play tighter fairways and firmer greens." I'm in agreement with Mr. Faldo. I was getting a little tired of the announcers saying it all of the time as well. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 08:28 PM	#19
defenderfors Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	Probably have only watched maybe an hours worth, if that, for the two days. With that said, I have not seen any difference. I have notice a few very high, long shots, that drop, and stop, which I attribute the greens being lower than where the ball is being hit from. I have also noticed some really good putting, but quite a few missed putts, I thought should have been made. Thursday the telecast came on at noon. One of the shots I saw was Stricker hitting the green from 200 yards with a 4i, but being some 70 feet away from the pin On Friday I turn on the telecast at 12:30, and low and behold there's Stricker again with a 4i going for the same green from what looked to be the same spot in the fairway. The ball even landed in pretty much the same spot that it did the day before. It was not until his first putt was an identical miss that I figured out I was watching day one footage. Second day coverage did not come on until an hour or so later. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-01-2010, 08:31 PM	#20
poRmawayncmop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 664 Senior Member	Lets not forget that manufacturers will continue to help these guys increase spin. Via the ball, adding more grooves to the wedge, etc. They can't really add more grooves without enlarging the face. The rule specification includes minimum spacing between the grooves. Changing the ball too much to add spin from the rough is more likely to result in too much spin from the fairway. That can be harder to manage than the added rollout when playing shots from the rough. You end up punishing the good tee shots and rewarding the bad ones. You won't notice a lot of difference at Kapalua because the greens are not as fast as most that they play on tour. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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