[ibupronec]

Okay in the world of drivers.

I currently have a Callaway C4 driver while it looks cool and gets the job most of the time. I am interested in something new. I used to hit this club almost 285-300 yards consistently but now that I am 5 years older and fatter my club head speed has slowed down I assume. (I no longer spend 2 hours in a gym, career & family have hindered time) I generally hit it around 240-260 yards now.

When I mishit the driver, 90% of the time it is off the toe so would a larger driver help that? The C4 is a 360cc head and I see new 400cc and 460cc heads. How much bigger is a 460 vs 360. I tried looking up a conversion table but nothing seemed to pan out.

I know this is a jumbled mess of a post but if you can make sense of it please let me know your thoughts.

[outfinofulpv]

A miss is still a miss, but so much technology has gone into driver heads the last 5-8 years and even the last decade to increase forgiveness especially on shots off of the toe.

[Sopzoozyren]

Bigger the head, bigger the sweet spot?

[marketheal]

I make better contact with 300-350 cc .I'm all over the face on 460 cc drivers but then again my swing is my handicap.

[Xtatotvk]

I actually prefer the smaller head drivers. I have the R9 and I liked it better than the R9 460. For me, it makes me concentrate more on trying to make solid contact.

As for bigger head, equals bigger sweet spot GC, I don't know if that is entirely true and maybe JB can confirm this. When I bought my X20 tour irons, the Callaway rep said the sweet spot on the X20 tours vs. the X22 tours was actually larger even though the X20 tours have a slightly smaller head. I don't know if it was BS from the rep, but that's what I was told at the Las Vegas Callaway Golf Center.

[StethyEntinic]

I actually prefer the smaller size heads to the 460cc models. That being said I also have square model 460cc driver.

Now a few months ago I was shown something at a group seminar held by a local pro when he started discussing more distance. I am a "show me" kind of guy first and foremost. 10 golfers, myself being one of the chosen went through his test. All of us swung a 380cc 9.5 driver faster through impact than the 460cc model. Keep in mind we were all amateurs, with less than stellar driver swings. Both drivers except for the club heads were shafted the same (Proforce V-2) , same grip, and the same length. Difference in mph through impact ranged from 3mph to a whopping 10mph . Mine was 4mph faster with the smaller club head. My accuracy was the same with both clubs...poor. Then again, both these demonstration clubs were not fitted to my swing. The pro's reasoning was better balance for the golfer contributed to the faster swing speed of the smaller head.

So I come home, rummage through my garage, and find my old Olimar 10.5 driver, on a Proforce 65 golf shaft. I then head to the range with it, and my present 10.5 460cc driver. Same thing. The smaller club head sent the ball consistently further, with a little less, but still playable accuracy. Not by a big margin, but still further, and much further than my 3W. I am even thinking (after a few more range sessions) about throwing that old Olimar back into my bag. It does have some good memories attached to it.

Not saying anything bad about 460cc drivers, but when it is time for me to change out my current driver, I am going to give those smaller club heads a serious look.

[TolleyBoymn]

Bigger the head, bigger the sweet spot?

[Sopzoozyren]

In reference to golf clubs, LOL

[GenManagerS]

The C4 is a 360cc head and I see new 400cc and 460cc heads. How much bigger is a 460 vs 360. I tried looking up a conversion table but nothing seemed to pan out.

IIRC, a 460cc head is about 100cc larger than a 360cc one. LOL.

Actually, I went from a 360cc head (TM 360ti) to the TM Burner I'm playing now. I drove well with that 360ti, but I'm driving even better with the Burner. Of course, other variables come into play - my burner has a better shaft (UST PF V2), it's shorter than the 360ti (cut down to 44"), and the Burner head is pushing the envelope in regards to CoR as opposed to my 9-year-old 360ti.

I make better contact with 300-350 cc .I'm all over the face on 460 cc drivers but then again my swing is my handicap.

Isn't your current TM580XD like 440cc?

[BoattyGonm]

Okay in the world of drivers.

I currently have a Callaway C4 driver while it looks cool and gets the job most of the time. I am interested in something new. I used to hit this club almost 285-300 yards consistently but now that I am 5 years older and fatter my club head speed has slowed down I assume. (I no longer spend 2 hours in a gym, career & family have hindered time) I generally hit it around 240-260 yards now.

When I mishit the driver, 90% of the time it is off the toe so would a larger driver help that? The C4 is a 360cc head and I see new 400cc and 460cc heads. How much bigger is a 460 vs 360. I tried looking up a conversion table but nothing seemed to pan out.

I know this is a jumbled mess of a post but if you can make sense of it please let me know your thoughts.

Hey soda,
Less important than what the size is, why don't you go out and hit a few drivers at your local Golf store? Golf Galaxy is one place where they will let you try out several clubs. Some hit the 460cc better, some don't. When I recently compared the 400cc TM R9 to the 460cc TM R9, I hit the 460cc better and more consistently. Was it the bigger head, the bigger sweet spot? Maybe. But I picked it becuase it just felt the best and performed the best. Good luck.

[ibupronec]

Yeah I know I should go out and try but it's so dang cold up here in Nebraska that it makes it not much fun getting outside. At the current moment I can't even get out of my podunk town. The snow and wind has drifted over the Hwy bad enough that we have to wait for the county to bail us out. ...

I realize that it is a 100cc larger. I guess I should redefine my question. How large is a cc compared to say an inch? Is it in reference to the whole club or just the club face

[igs00r]

I think you should sit tight and wait until the driver shoot out is up and use it as a reference for where to go with driver options. The shoot out is such a unique way of testing/reviewing equipment b/c everything is hit by players of all types. It should really help out with results from most drivers that are on the market this year.

Sorry, i don't know anything about cc's-to-inches.

[Sopzoozyren]

Yeah I know I should go out and try but it's so dang cold up here in Nebraska that it makes it not much fun getting outside. At the current moment I can't even get out of my podunk town. The snow and wind has drifted over the Hwy bad enough that we have to wait for the county to bail us out. ...

I realize that it is a 100cc larger. I guess I should redefine my question. How large is a cc compared to say an inch? Is it in reference to the whole club or just the club face

I've wondered this too, but I guess the question I should ask is, What is a cc? haa haa

[AncewwewBus]

I used to have a 360cc, Seriously the difference is HUGE.

[husartrof]

I realize that it is a 100cc larger. I guess I should redefine my question. How large is a cc compared to say an inch? Is it in reference to the whole club or just the club face

Also remember that the cc is a measurement of the volume of the head, so you can't get a great idea of hitting surface comparison unless you measure the two separately.

1 cubic centimeter = 0.061 023 744 095 cubic inch
360 cubic centimeter = 21.968 547 874 cubic inch
460 cubic centimeter = 28.070 922 284 cubic inch

[Sopzoozyren]

Also remember that the cc is a measurement of the volume of the head, so you can't get a great idea of hitting surface comparison unless you measure the two separately.

1 cubic centimeter = 0.061 023 744 095 cubic inch
360 cubic centimeter = 21.968 547 874 cubic inch
460 cubic centimeter = 28.070 922 284 cubic inch

So the bigger the number, the bigger the size of the [club] head then?

[GenManagerS]

Yeah I know I should go out and try but it's so dang cold up here in Nebraska that it makes it not much fun getting outside. At the current moment I can't even get out of my podunk town. The snow and wind has drifted over the Hwy bad enough that we have to wait for the county to bail us out. ...

I realize that it is a 100cc larger. I guess I should redefine my question. How large is a cc compared to say an inch? Is it in reference to the whole club or just the club face

The 460cc pertain to the volume of the club, or displacement, not the area of its face. Think of it this way - put the clubhead into a beaker with 100cc of water in it. The water level in the beaker will rise to 560cc.

FWIW: 460 cubic centimeters = 28.070 cubic inches

[Sopzoozyren]

The 460cc pertain to the volume of the club, or displacement, not the area of its face. Think of it this way - put the clubhead into a beaker with 100cc of water in it. The water level in the beaker will rise to 560cc.

This is MUCH easier to understand

[Zzvukttz]

360 to 460 is a significant difference that you will definitely notice. The 460 club will be much more consistent, sweet spot is larger so you'll see better shots on off center hits. CC is cubic centimeters, a measuer of the volume of the clubhead. As a reference, a cubic inch is roughly equal to 16 cubic centimeters.

[marketheal]

360 to 460 is a significant difference that you will definitely notice. The 460 club will be much more consistent, sweet spot is larger so you'll see better shots on off center hits. CC is cubic centimeters, a measuer of the volume of the clubhead. As a reference, a cubic inch is roughly equal to 16 cubic centimeters.

Only thing is I have less off center hits with a 310cc driver than I do with a 460cc.So in the long run if you hit it more on the sweet spot it will make up for the lack of forgiveness.It's kinda like hitting a 3 wood off the tee but with a loft that will give you distance.