[Sliliashdes]

I looked at the USGA site. It says the intent of using a percentage of your handicap is to bring everyone closer to zero. I understand that, but logic says to go the other way. You were correct.

Plus HandicapsWhen applying a percentage of Course Handicap to a plus
handicap player, it brings that player closer to zero. This occurs
in order to keep as close as possible the proper percentage of
disparity in handicap. For example, playing at 100 percent of
Course Handicap, the spread of two players, a +5 and 10 Course
Handicap, is 15 strokes. In a competition where 80 percent of
Course Handicap is utilized, the +5 becomes a +4 (+5 x 80%)
and the 10 becomes an 8 (10 x 80%). The difference between
their adjusted Course Handicap is 12, which is 80 percent ofthe original spread of 15 using 100 percent (15 x 80% = 12).

Gracias

What bothered my teammate so much was that he 100% new this fact...and they were all going of the logic that so many of you are thinking, and since it is so rarely run into, logic won out until the pro got thinking and wondering why we were so intent that they were wrong. He found what you did and ruled it correctly. HE had that exact rule that you posted printed out and in his hand to show the other team.

[ketNavatutt]

Let me rephrase what I am trying to say in this whole thing. If you guys were right, my opinion is that your partner should have handled it differently. If they were wrong in the way they acted, they should have handled it differently. But in the end, none of it really matters. Golf is supposed to be about fun and so are these events, yet people get so worked up over it. None of this had to happen. If your partner had not said what he said to start thing and instead you just go back to the pro shop or starter and look it up, everybody ends up happy and you go from there. Instead people end up yelling, unhappy, and ruining a day of golf. It all seems to be because people take it way too far. You said you "almost came to blows" over a club tourny. TO me in the end, that is definitely NOT worth it.

[Sliliashdes]

So what really bothered me the most what this....after the rule was pointed out and that we were right, they still thought it was the right thing to do to continue with the match and adjust where needed.

To me that is garbage and they only thought that because they were winning. This is $hitty and almost dishonest in my opinion, especially for a game that is 99% mental, especially for a guy of my teammates level. Again, they were refusing to see our side of that situation and they requested that the pro make "the call".

DO you think he made the right call of a replay after 11 holes of wrong pretenses? Do you think we should have continued as is? Thoughts?

[ketNavatutt]

I think they should have asked the pro to make the call. Just like you should have. They didnt want to hear it from you. Just like you didnt want to hear it from them.

[Sliliashdes]

Let me rephrase what I am trying to say in this whole thing. If you guys were right, my opinion is that your partner should have handled it differently. If they were wrong in the way they acted, they should have handled it differently. But in the end, none of it really matters. Golf is supposed to be about fun and so are these events, yet people get so worked up over it. None of this had to happen. If your partner had not said what he said to start thing and instead you just go back to the pro shop or starter and look it up, everybody ends up happy and you go from there. Instead people end up yelling, unhappy, and ruining a day of golf. It all seems to be because people take it way too far. You said you "almost came to blows" over a club tourny. TO me in the end, that is definitely NOT worth it.

I 100% agree...I am just the measly bogey golfer really just wanting fun competition. I think it is crap thought that my partner knew 100% the rule and NO ONE would even look it up. We tried to properly question it with level heads, and in his defense, we were told that we were dead wrong and our 3 rounds of wins were done improperly. They basically called us out and would not listen to the situation and the rule that we knew in writing.

To me...the problem is that the pro so easily gave into their thinking and did not consider our side before the match started. They got to make their case to the pro, but we were not given the same opportunity. But these guys were clearly "bully" types that like to get their way...why else would they have wanted to continue after 11 holes played with an incorrect scorecard. Do you see that side of it?

And in any case...to me, there is never cause to point a finger in a guys face like the other guy did unless you want it to get ugly.

Their showed their true skin to me by the way they acted on 11 after we were corrected....and no one ever said, sorry we did not listen to you guys...or at least give us a chance to make a case. All this make some sense here?

[ketNavatutt]

Do you not believe that if your playing partner had not made the comment that started this whole thing off, it would not have gone differently?

[Sliliashdes]

I think they should have asked the pro to make the call. Just like you should have. They didnt want to hear it from you. Just like you didnt want to hear it from them.

He did initially just by listening to them...but did not give us a chance to rebutt. The pro just said it was wrong before and right now, sorry, just go play. This was my teammate . He knew the rule but no one would listen or even look it up. I am just glad that the pro thought better of it during the day and did look it up like we asked.

[Sliliashdes]

Do you not believe that if your playing partner had not made the comment that started this whole thing off, it would not have gone differently?

I 100% believe that if they did not treat us like little kids during the initial explanation that my teammate gave it never would have gotten there. It got there after the pro was called and my teammate knew that was incorrect and not the real rule. It was also after they said that our first three matches were played incorrectly and did not know if we would have even won those. I think it was a bit of poking a caged-bear on their part after the pro sided with them and would not listen to us.


But back to post #25...what do you think about playing on vs. a rematch. And don't you think it was crappy, and a little questionable of them to want to continue as-is after all of this?

[TZids16I]

Do you think we should have continued as is? Thoughts?

I think there was too much bad feeling on both sides to continue. You guys were done before you even started.

[Sliliashdes]

I think there was too much bad feeling on both sides to continue. You guys were done before you even started.

But after the rule were corrected....what is you thought on playing out and going back to adjust later vs. calling that match dead and a rematch starting at #1 as necessary? And I agree that we were dead from the start...really my partner was, but that killed us. He shot -3 on the final 7 holes after he was proven right. He was dead off the start and in a bad mental place.

Another bit to add...is that when the situation about coming to blows was their guys reaction to my partner's comment. Once he blew up and pointed a finger in his face my teammate immeditely apologized profusely, I just thought I would have to pull the other guy off my teammate...or vice verca.