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11-28-2010, 02:31 AM
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Dear all Would like to know how the other five avathars (from Parasurama to Kalki)can be explained as an evolution process. Regards |
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11-28-2010, 08:52 AM
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Vaamana has not really cheated. After Narasimha Avatar, which is the shortest duration Avatar ever, coming to protect the Divine child, Prahalada, Vamana came. He is a small boy, coming as a human after the man-lion, Narasimha. So even evolution concept is satisfied. He takes Viswaroopaa to show how even the small child can attain great heights.
Also he did not cheat Maha Bali. He placed His foot on Bali Maharaja's head and what more is needed for a Devotee like Bali, other than His divine Sparsa! Maha Bali Maharaja till today rules the Underworlds as a Chiranjivi and Great Bhaktha of Maha Vishnu, according to Puranas! |
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11-28-2010, 09:14 AM
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I think that after Vamana, came Parashurama Avatar. A Human Maharshi of the Highest order, He showed Tapas, carried out His father's orders, reduced Bhoomiparam by eliminating Adharmic kings who were then ruling and handed over his Powers and Mahima to Lord Rama, who came next. The evolution into Godhood is slowing increasing with the advent of Lord Rama. He lived like a Human being, braving all the sufferings, for the sake of Pithru Vaakya Paripaalana and only said that He knew Himself to be Rama, son of Dhasaradha Maharaja, humbly concealing His real nature. Lord Brahma reminded Him of His real Nature, it seems. To this day, Rama Naama links us all and purifies us instantly. Then came the Divine Brothers, Balarama and Krishna.Elders say that Rama wanted to return the services done to Him with loving care, by His brother, Lakshmana. So Lakshmana became Balarama and Rama became Krishna, in the next Avatar. The Divine sport of Lord Krishna is narrated in the Bhagavatham.Being a Sampoorna Avatar, Krishna suffered in prison as a child, got separated from his Parents, grew among Yadavas as the Son of Nandagopan and Yasodha, performed many miracles, slew many demons including his maternal uncle, Kamsa and released his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki from prison, later helped the Pandavas, gave the Supreme Upadesa, the Great Bhagavat Geetha through Arjuna to all of us,ruled over Dwaraka, never forgetting His real Swaroopa, Lord Maha Vishnu! He has allowed us full play in Kali Yuga. Dharma is standing as a one-legged cow in Kali Yuga. At breaking point, when the end of this Yuga is approaching, He will emerge as the Supreme Being, Kalki Bhagavan, eliminate all evil and administer the Worlds, at the Highest Level of Evolution. Ultimately everything will merge in Him and then again creation will start! The Yugas will start again from Kritha Yuga, the Golden Age, when Dharma cow will again stand on four legs, an anology for the Goodness of the Time and Dharma being practised.
I have given a simple explanation with my limited knowledge. Regards. |
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11-28-2010, 06:05 PM
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i am not well versed in all this religious talks, but up t o my knowledge it is just to say that god kept his feet and this is a lesson for any humanbeing or any creature that they can't be superior than god though a good administrator, and bali himself knew that it was god who came. so he is blessed to get that mokasham
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12-03-2010, 06:18 PM
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Dear sangom uncle
To my knowledge god only created us and we have not created god. So it is strictly his decision which form to take and not we people to decide whether a sacred cow or sea-turtle. As for as my science knowledge says, tortoise can live both in sea and land. In case for your amoeboid like organisms (they are actually microbes) (am a ph.d student in microbiology), we cannot consider them as proper living beings as their reproductive cycle is entirely different and they remains invisble to us. We people usually say with a pride that we are studying about god (How means microbes are ubiquitous in this universe and is invisible to human naked eye and they rule all the living-beings without knowing their presence-- How similarities between microbes and god na uncle). We should always think about the necessity of the avathars taken and the actual circumstances and scenario behind that. It is not that always a cow is sacred and boar is of lower quality. In the srishti of god, everything is equal and so might be to prove that he left the cow avatar and took a boar. Dear saarngam sir, Coming to parasurama avatar, it depicts the human being with full physical growth (but with lower culture and also does not know the usage of instruments), he has an axe always in his hands (which can be correlated with the primate humans who lived like that), next comes the balaram with decent qualities and a plough (which shows that man started agriculture and his civilization has developed very well), next is krishna with all the mischeifs around him and next is kalki to make a full-stop for all. Why am saying these is, each and every concept is our own Indian concept. Foreigners came here just for studying them and make into polished terms with their scientific terms and claimed themselves that they only came out with these inventions, which is entirely wrong. Only thing is our ancestors have not patented everything (might be those poor people does not know about patents and all). Pranams |
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12-03-2010, 09:58 PM
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Dear sangom uncle It is one's freedom to hold certain particular beliefs, in this case that god created "us". But you say it is your knowledge, not belief. So, will you kindly tell me why god created us and what god is? So it is strictly his decision which form to take and not we people to decide whether a sacred cow or sea-turtle. The logic or rationale behind this statement is not clear to me. Granting that god created us, could he not have come as himself, in his very form, whatever it is? As for as my science knowledge says, tortoise can live both in sea and land. I have no qualification to argue on this point that too with a Ph. D. student in micro-biology. Still, from the web resources I find that there is a subtle difference between the two: "What is the Difference Between a Turtle and a Tortoise? A division of reptiles, called chelonians, includes turtles, tortoises, and terrapins. For the most part, the difference between a turtle and tortoise is more of a rough semantic category than a strict taxonomic separation. Colloquially, both biologists and lay people use the word, "turtle" to mean all chelonians. In general, turtles live in or near the water and have adapted to swim by holding their breath underwater. Tortoises live primarily in arid regions, built for storing their own water supply and walking on sandy ground. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-turtle-and-a-tortoise.htm" In case for your amoeboid like organisms (they are actually microbes) (am a ph.d student in microbiology), we cannot consider them as proper living beings as their reproductive cycle is entirely different and they remains invisble to us. We people usually say with a pride that we are studying about god (How means microbes are ubiquitous in this universe and is invisible to human naked eye and they rule all the living-beings without knowing their presence-- How similarities between microbes and god na uncle). Is it correct to hold the view that "life" is different in microbes and man? How do you express the difference? If it is only hetero-sexual reproduction, then many species will go out of the purview of life, will it not? Then how do you explain the multiplication of amoebae? Is it something akin to crystal formation and growth? The similarity between god and microbes is good, in parts, like the curate's eggs. But when we come to destroying amoebae with drugs, I think the comparison will become odious, is not it? We should always think about the necessity of the avathars taken and the actual circumstances and scenario behind that. It is not that always a cow is sacred and boar is of lower quality. In the srishti of god, everything is equal and so might be to prove that he left the cow avatar and took a boar. How is the necessity for an avatar decided? What are the minimum conditions (circumstances) which will make it imperative for a new avatar to come? How are we to know it beforehand? The question is god could have taken the avatar of a whale instead of fish, crocodile instead of tortoise, elephant instead of a wild boar, lion-tiger or monkey-lion instead of narasimha; why was one preferred over the other? |
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12-07-2010, 09:36 PM
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Dear Sangom Uncle
I know very well that you know the answers for all the queries you have raised. ANyhow, will provide my answers to my knowledge. As you said it is a belief, the books which I studied and the puranas which I read gave me the knowledge that god only created the world. Even the great scientific big-bang theory also states that some superpower of nature has splitted into planets. We call this supernature as god. As parabrahma is formless, it can take any form which it wishes (As you asked it to come in its original form). Which is its original form? What is the primitive organisms even before the 1-celled amoeba (which is the ancestoral lineage for that). I think even destruction of microbes with drugs is also OK with equivalent to god. As microbes are "n" numbered, though god is superior, there are "n" number of demi- and semi-gods around us, among them both good and bad are also there. they fight with others. They die, they get birth again... Every thing is a cycle only na uncle. Coming to the circumstance of avatar, it is very clear that Avathar has been taken just for only one person's sake and even for the whole world. But whenever there is a necessity to save wise men and to establish the "Dharma", an avathar of god has been taken. You have asked why not Wild boar, lion-tiger or monkey-lion instead of narasimha avathar. As I mentioned in my previous post itself, it is clearly his own decision to take the form. You can even ask why to take a human form instead he can take "YAksha" "SNake" or some other forms. But each avathar has its own unqiueness and conveys us some messages. There is nothing to question. Will you ask your daddy why he gave birth to you?? He dont have an answer for this. That will be a silly question and also it is unnecessary. We have born here and have some duties to finish. We should concentrate only on that na uncle. This very case is similar to god's avathar. This is not for question, but for to know certain things that will happen when we enter into the wrong path. Pranams |
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12-08-2010, 06:38 AM
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... Your comparison is brazen and may also be seen as audacious by some people. But it is odious; do you say that an avatAr will ask the same question to God? Otherwise the comparison does not stand. It is true that I (or for that matter, most sensible people) will not ask my (their) father why I / he was given birth to. But that is because we know fairly well how it would have happened, and in almost all cases no man proceeds in a premeditated fashion to create a new "avatAr" of God in the form of his son. So, now from your simile, does it mean that God also just did something for his pleasure - just as your or my father did - and its result became an avatAr? The rest of your post is full of half-truths and assumptions, arising out of your extreme and, I would say, irrational belief in all that is trotted out as holy scriptures. So, I will not make any comments now and allow time to modify you and your world view. |
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12-08-2010, 09:17 PM
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Bali was trying to usrup Indiras position by Yagnas.
Indra has a life cycle during which time he occupys the position. By trying to usurup that position, Bali was going against the natural rule, which was corrected. Since he is also a devoted one, he was given a boon that Bali will be born as Indra subsequently by the natural process. But actual Bali has benefitted as the Lord has promised him that he will be protecting him. Do not know whether one will accept it or not, there will always be reactions for all the wrong doings, but it takes its due course, but it will defiinetely follows. Rgds, Mohan I have never been able to get a rational explanation why Vamana Avatara happened. |
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12-20-2010, 07:13 AM
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Bali Maharaja is a Chiranjeevi and it is God's Will that determined that Bali will rule over the underworlds and he will return every year to the Earth at time of Onam festival, according to Keralaite belief!
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