[scoussysows]

to RV Sir, Once we also had nearly 30 acres of land and lost the Kerala Govt Order. The death of Farmers is because of their foolishness and they are not much educated and When I did my Reserch paper on Feritilizer Marking In India and travelled all over India for data I found that Most of the loans used for lavish spending on Marriages and other purposes.I put my paper I was failed because my findings were against GOVT. s.r.k.

[Karensmith]

to RV Sir, Once we also had nearly 30 acres of land and lost the Kerala Govt Order. The death of Farmers is because of their foolishness and they are not much educated and When I did my Reserch paper on Feritilizer Marking In India and travelled all over India for data I found that Most of the loans used for lavish spending on Marriages and other purposes.I put my paper I was failed because my findings were against GOVT. s.r.k.

There may be misuse but at the same time, plight of our farmers were horrible. The minimum support price for Paddy, Wheat, Cotton and Sugarcane along with farm loan waiver has definitely helped the rural economy.

Similarly in the case of National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme (NRGES) also there is lot of misuse happening which we are seeing in the papers. But overall it has helped the rural poor inspite of some swindling. Corruption cannot be eradicated just like that.

Government is working on Unique Identification Card under the chairmanship of eminent industrialist Sri Nandan Nilkeni of Infosys. Once it is implemented, identification of beneficiaries and funds transfer directly to their bank account without going through the bureacracy is the object of the scheme.

Let us hope things will improve in the future.

[Zhgpavye]

Hi all, a gentle reminder. We are talkin' here about Secularism, not agri

[artofeyyy]

single,

inspite of your nomenclature, i would like to request you to be more elaborate in your posts.

you are querying a lot, which is asking much of other posters, without any contribution from yourself.

for every query that you do, please justify it in a few sentences, and also a little more verbosity in your postings would indicate good faith in your stance here in this forum.

kindly treat this as a gentle nudge from the moderator.

we do not want our particpants to be prodding rods even though our general participants are as innocent as the jeevans on whom the prods are used, and do respond to the wishes of the prodder.

another single line post will be considered as an infraction upon the goodwill and sincerety of other posters, and will be dealt with accordingly (negative accumulative points to a max of 100 when you are out).. the grading will be exponential a la the police practices of ontario canada where i live.

[verizon]

இந்தியாவில் ஹிந்துக்கள் பெரும்பான்மையாக இருந்த போதும், ஒரு கைலாசத்துக்கோ அல்லது மானசசரோவருக்கோ அல்லது திருப்பதிக்கோ செல்ல அரசு கையை எதிர்பார்த்தது இல்லை.ஏழை பிராமணன், அல்லது ஏழை ஹிந்துக்கள்,உண்டியலில் காசு போட்டு அதை முடிந்து வைத்து, பிறகு தங்கள் சொந்தச் செலவிலேயே திருப்பதிக்கோ அல்லது வேறு ஹிந்துத் தலங்களுக்கோ செல்கிறார்கள் என்பது கண்கூடு.

ஆனால், பணம் கொழிக்கும் வளைகுடா நாடுகளில் கூட, ஏழை முஸ்லிம்களுக்கு ஹஜ் யாத்திரை செல்ல மானியம் வழங்குவதில்லை.மேதாவி அமெரிக்கா உட்பட..

அது போல்,ஆந்திராவில் மறைந்த ராஜசேகர ரெட்டி ஜெருசலேம் செல்லக் கூட மானியம் வழங்க முன் வந்திருந்தார்.ஆனால், நல்ல வேளையாக ஹைதராபாத் நீதி மன்றம் அதற்கு இடைக்காலத் தடை விதித்துள்ளது.

தமிழ்நாட்டிலோ சிறுபான்மை மதங்களுக்கு இட ஒதுக்கீடு என்ற திட்டத்தைக் கொண்டு வந்திருப்பவர் கருணாநிதி.

இங்கே தான், மதம் எனது தனிப்பட்ட விஷயம் என்றாகி விட்டாலும், மதத்தின் அடிப்படையில் சலுகைகள் வழங்கப்படுகிறது.ஆனால் ஹிந்துக்கள் என்று வந்து விட்டால், ஹிந்து மதம் என்ற அடிப்படையில் வழங்கப்படாமல், அதில் சாதீயத்தைக் கொண்டு வந்து, மக்களைப் பிரித்து வைத்திருக்கிறார்கள், மகானுபாவர்கள்.

அதனால், அந்த சிறுபான்மை மதத்தினர் தங்கள் பிடியை ,அவர்கள் கைவசம் வைத்திருக்கும் வாக்கு வங்கிகள் மூலம் அரசின் சுய சிந்தனையை முடக்குகிறார்கள்.அங்கே மதம் அரசியலில் கலக்கிறது.

ஹிந்து வாக்களித்து விட்டு பல்லாக்கு தூக்க, மற்றவர்களோ அரசனுடன் பல்லக்கில் அமர்ந்து செல்கிறார்கள்.

இந்தியாவில் தான் இந்தக் கூத்து!!

Though Hindus are in majority in India, they could not get the government grant for their pilgrimage to places like Kailash, Manasasaorvar or even Tirupathi.Be it a poor bramin or poor Hndu generally works hard to save to go there;But only in India, a poor muslim does get government grant to go to Haj and in fact recently killed AP CM, Rajasekar Reddy even proposed to give grant for Jerusalem pilgrimage to christians..

Giving government grant is happening only in India at the cost of Hindus, (whose tax also facilitating this grant)but not in rich middle east or in America, the so called gentleman!

In the case of reservation, recently Tamilnadu ensured reservation based on minority religion but in the case of hindus they are further divided into castes reinforcing the division amongst them.

Hindus vote but they are relegated to palanquin bearers but not the minorities who also vote but see to it that, they also sit with our kings in Palanquin (overtly or covertly)

It is a cruel joke, only in India.

[shiciapsisy]

Dear Narayanee Ji,

Please see this: Communalism Watch: State subsidy for pilgrimages not against secularism

Looks like The Govt. of India subsidizes Yatras for Hindus to Manasarovar and Sikhs to Pakistani Sikh shrines as they are in foreign lands.

Also the Indian Govt. spends quite a bit of money for Hindu festivals like Kumbh Mela etc. on infratsructure and facilities.

I have looked in to the Govt. subsidy for Haj. The Haj pilgrim gets his travel 'subsidized' only on Air India. He pays almost half of what a commercial airplane ticket would cost and this subsidy is available only on Air India. And since Air India packs them in on these charted flights, I bet the Indian Govt. overall makes money. These also generate goodwill. There is nothing wrong with that for a country with the second most muslim population in India.

By the way, do you know that muslims by and large do not like the subsidy as they are supposed to pay for the Haj by themselves. But since this is helping a huge number of poor muslims, they are remaining silent.

This lament about Haj has been there for a long time with the Hindutva folks, but when BJP was in power, they did not stop it, for obvious reasons.

I think this issue is used to create unnecessary communal hatred.

Regards,
KRS

[Agehoobionibe]

Our politicians are playing vote bank politics using religion and caste. Tamilnadu government introduced reservations for both muslims and christians. But christians forced the government to withdraw reservation since they felt they get better percentage under BC quota instead of a small percentage in the Christian Quota.

Even if everybody wants to give up religion and caste, our politicians will not allow us to do so. It is very easy and convenient for them to play caste, religion and language politics rather than development agenda.

[Abaanto]

well said shri r.venkataramani sir.politicians are playind the divide and riule policy in case of cast,creed annd religion for the vote bank purposes.god alone can save.with namaskars.v.lalithakumar

[ehib8yPc]

A Few ideas that could help .........

COMMON MINIMUM PROGRAM -

1) ERADICATE POVERTY

2) PROVIDE EDUCATION TO ALL IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS SOCIAL STATUS

3) REMOVE RESERVATION

4) PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT TO ATLEAST ONE BREAD OWNER OF A FAMILY

5) HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES

6) ENSURE JUSTICE IS EQUAL FOR A LAYMAN AND A WEALTHY PERSON.

7) CHECK AND ELIMINATE ILLEGAL ELEMENTS FROM SOCIETY

8) BRING FAITH BACK IN THE PEOPLE THAT THE GOVT MEANS WHAT THEY SAY

9) PROVIDE HEALTH CARE FOR THE POOR

10) LET THE YOUTH OF INDIA HAVE A CHANCE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION !!!

[pBiRXp8u]

8) BRING FAITH BACK IN THE PEOPLE THAT THE GOVT MEANS WHAT THEY SAY

!!!

If not now, when before, people had a good faith in Govt?

Nehru or British or Moguls Chanakya or vedic times?

[Precturge]

A Few ideas that could help .........

COMMON MINIMUM PROGRAM -

1) ERADICATE POVERTY

2) PROVIDE EDUCATION TO ALL IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS SOCIAL STATUS

3) REMOVE RESERVATION

4) PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT TO ATLEAST ONE BREAD OWNER OF A FAMILY

5) HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES

6) ENSURE JUSTICE IS EQUAL FOR A LAYMAN AND A WEALTHY PERSON.

7) CHECK AND ELIMINATE ILLEGAL ELEMENTS FROM SOCIETY

8) BRING FAITH BACK IN THE PEOPLE THAT THE GOVT MEANS WHAT THEY SAY

9) PROVIDE HEALTH CARE FOR THE POOR

10) LET THE YOUTH OF INDIA HAVE A CHANCE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION !!!

viji,

this sounds like a political manifesto, though from which part of the spectrum, i cannot fathom!

if life were only so easy.

a couple of years ago, there was a plan by the tamil nadu government to conscript all medical college students, to serve in the rural areas for 2 years after graduation.

if i remember right, in the face of a growing protest, the government backpeddled.

such is the state of even a minute progressive action in our democracy. or in any democracy for that matter.

all your suggestions could be implemented in china, at the swipe of a wand from the head commissar. but who wants to live in china?

maybe we can start with few small steps?

how about picking up our own litter in the street and avoid spitting on the roads with a mouth full of vethlapaakku for starters?

[Ecurrexchangess]

நன்றி..கே.ஆர்.எஸ்ஜி.

உங்களுடைய இணைப்பைப் பார்த்தேன்.அதில் மத்திய அரசு எந்த அளவிற்கு ஹஜ் விஷயத்தில் சப்பைக்கட்டு கட்டுகிறது என்பது நன்கு தெரியும்.அதாவது, அரேபிய நாடுகளுடன் உறவைப் பலப்படுத்துவதற்காக என்று சொல்லப்படுவதை என்னால் ஒத்துக் கொள்ள முடியாது.அரேபிய நாடுகள் பாகிஸ்தான் பக்கம் தான் இருப்பார்களே தவிர, நம் பக்கம் இருக்கவே மாட்டார்கள்.

ஹஜ் யாத்திரைக்கு தலைக்கு ரூபாய் 20000 செலவழிக்கப்படுகிறது, சுமார் 1 லட்சம் பயணிகளுக்கு.ஆனால், மானசசரோவர் செல்லும் 1000க்கும் குறைவான யாத்ரீகர்களுக்கு, சுமார் 3250 மட்டும் தான் செலவழிக்கப்படுகிறது.ஒரு வேளை அதனால் தான், என் மனதில் இது பதியவில்லையோ என்று தெரியவில்லை.

http://newstodaynet.com/printer.php?id=15306

அது மட்டுமல்ல,மானசசரோவருக்கு ஒவ்வொரு ஆண்டும், உயர்நீதி மன்றத்தின் அனுமதி பெற வேண்டும்.ஹஜ்ஜுக்கு அப்படியல்ல.கிட்டத்தட்ட 50 ஆண்டுகளாக இருந்து வரும் நடைமுறை.

சமீபத்தில் ஜெருசலேம் விஷயத்தில், ஹைதராபாத் உயர்நீதி மன்றம், மானசசரோவருக்கும் சேர்த்துத் தடை விதித்துள்ளது.
http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/23/stories/2009072358590100.htm

Thanks KRSji.

I saw your link also. I could sense how the centre tries to backstop the Haj subsidy issue before the courts, by saying that it would foster the relationship with arab world when the reality is just opposite.

Considering the grant of susbsidy that is given to muslims, what hindus going to Manasasarovar, getting is just a peanut.Probably that is why, manasasarovar susbsidy did not impress me.

Regarding Kumb mela, it is the duty of the government, where its people is converging at a point in such a large number, like police bandobust to ramjan procession .

[minowz]

Dear Ms.Narayanee ji,

The Governments both at the centre and states play only vote bank politics. Hindus as community doesn't vote as a block. Whereas minorities vote as a block. This is happening because illeteracy among Muslims is one of the highest. Governments both at Centre and State doesn't want literacy to develop among Muslims because once they get educated, they will start reading news papers, analyse things and may be able to identify the true colours of our politicians.

Subsidy for haj pilgrims etc are peanuts to grab just votes. Real development of poor and downtrodden among muslims will empower them which the Governments are not willing to do for obvious reasons.

I feel we should pity poor and downtrodden people of all the communities for the indifferent attidude of the Governments

[FallJimerks]

நாராயணீ ஜி , ஹஜ்ஜை குறித்து சிறிது தேடல் செய்தேன். 150 கோடி சர்க்கார் செலவு செய்கிறதாம் .

சில விஷயங்கள் எனக்கு மனசிலகாவில்லை. சரியான குழப்பம் . என்னை கேட்டால், எல்லா மத சார்பான சந்மனியாங்களை நிறுத்தவேண்டும், .. தசரா , காளி பூஜை ,ஓணம் எல்லாம் சர்க்கார் செலவுதான்.

. திருப்பதிக்கு போஹும் தூர எக்ஸ்பிரஸ் பயண ரயில் , அனேகமாக மானிய மலிவு டிக்கெட்டில் பஸ்ஸெந்செர் வண்டியாக செல்கிறது ... இது நம்மில் பலர் அறியாத விஷயம் .

அதுதான் ஜீவனுள்ள மதசார்பின்மை என்பது

Naryanee, Haj is a pea nut money of Rs.150Cr when compared to our GDP or govt. spending, and its not good to break our heads and create animonsity.

Im still not clarified with my idea of True Secularism. Govt. spends money on every religion. Dusserah, Oonam, Kali Puja's are all done in a grand way with Govt. money. Most of the long distance trains to Tirupathi are categorised as 'Passenger Train' which runs of low fare tickets.. An indirect support which govt gives us, which many of us doesnt know.I feel, the govt should stop all the religious spendings.

[Fausqueuego]

Dravidian parties conferences are conducted regularly and those who are attending it are not even buy tickets for the travel. Atleast people who visit religious places buy tickets.

[softy54534]

Dravidian parties conferences are conducted regularly and those who are attending it are not even buy tickets for the travel. Atleast people who visit religious places buy tickets.

Before blaming DK's for all the ill fall , could you please name a few parties, which had never used govt machinery?

[icerrelmCam]

Before blaming DK's for all the ill fall , could you please name a few parties, which had never used govt machinery?

Communist parties don't use the government machinery

[Moupponge]

Communist parties don't use the government machinery

In good spirits with my daily child hood habit of reading Hindu and filter coffee, I give up!!. Thank you.

[worldofwarcraft]

I wonder if this subsidy to Haj to muslims has ever been challenged in a court of law; if so, what was the verdict? Why does the Indian government, contrary to the Constitution, favor only the muslim community in subsidies?
Is there such a thing called "separation of Church and State" in India?
Thank you.

[fuslkdhfma]

Is there such a thing called "separation of Church and State" in India?
Thank you.

Even, in a country, which claims the 'Church and State are separate, still, they print their currency notes say "In God We Trust' and Christmas is the longest holiday session. Yet another country of the same has a national anthem starting with a prayer 'God Save The Queen' and Germany still taxes the citizens and officially pass the funds the catholic schools. George Bush, a baptist, breaks his protocol and goes in to the Andrew airport to receive Benedict,which no American president has done so far.

I think I am right in saying, true secularism doest exist.