[ClapekDodki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRXs5fqlXQ

[gortusbig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRXs5fqlXQ

Good, however as the shaykh Abdal Hakim knows we moderns have been educated to think we are all the same, even professors must be questioned by their students...no one is privileged in knowledge also we have the mistaken idea that somehow we are smart and the experts in any field especially religion are fakes. It is a modern sickness that people educated in western education tend to display. It would be good if some of the Ulaama rationally demonstrated why they are necessary experts by breaking apart some of the salaafi arguments.

[ovH9wfSJ]

Good video.
This is exactly whats happening today.

[Grewlybreekly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdsQM...eature=related

In this lecture Sheikh Abdur Raheem gives an account of how Maulana Amin Safdar Okarvi went from being a Salafi to a Hanafi and the 6 points he was taught as a salaf

[costamarianavia]

Good, however as the shaykh Abdal Hakim knows we moderns have been educated to think we are all the same, even professors must be questioned by their students...no one is privileged in knowledge also we have the mistaken idea that somehow we are smart and the experts in any field especially religion are fakes. It is a modern sickness that people educated in western education tend to display. It would be good if some of the Ulaama rationally demonstrated why they are necessary experts by breaking apart some of the salaafi arguments.

salafis dont say you dont need scholars akhi, dont spread these sorts of misconceptions, the less we understand each other, the harder any sort of reconcilation is

what the salafis say, is that experts are not ma'suum.

In the west, doctors have told women their unborn children were dead, she questioned this and then it came out alive. The doctors had offered medication to remove it that wud have killed it. Doctors misdiagnose cancer and all sorts.

Experts can make costly mistakes in all fields including religion.

We still need ulema and should love and respect them, but dont believe they are ma'suum or all knowing or infallible.

To highlight a point, your deobandi scholars follow oppinions that imam abu hanifa rh never held. Does this mean they are more knowledgable? Or that imam abu hanifa rh had some mistakes? Or do u wish to follow imam abu hanifa rh 100% in which case, i can quote you many things which you do that goes against his oppinions.

[formobilagsw]

To highlight a point, your deobandi scholars follow oppinions that imam abu hanifa rh never held. Does this mean they are more knowledgable? Or that imam abu hanifa rh had some mistakes? Or do u wish to follow imam abu hanifa rh 100% in which case, i can quote you many things which you do that goes against his oppinions.

You still haven't the slightest idea how Usool Al Fiqh works.

[imictiorume]

there is another group that says the same lines, yet are not labelled as salafi. people like to call them modernists as they do not go too much into aqeedah. yet the usool of fiqh adopted by them is the same. they reach different conclusions as the salafis yet their conclusions are derived in the same way.

[HaseBeceDeemy]

shaykh abdul hakeem murad with all due respect is a pure modernist who has questioned the rulings of the scholars on many occasions including the issue of the niqab which he is a vocal critic of, the penalty for apostacy, declaring the british raj as darul islam etc. He should pay more heed to his own words than anybody else. What I find shocking is that deobandis are putting him up the mimbar when his views are actually worse than salafis. This is on top of his praising hisham kabbani's quote on national TV that the majority i.e. he put the figure somewhere around 80-90% of american masjids are run by terrorists as well as his praise for the great kafir aga khan etc. Brother ahmed I will tackle your very recent anti-salafi posts another time but suffice to say that those who you labelled as salafis are not even salafis the likes of al muhajiroon etc who make takfir of mufti bin baz rh. If you want to see a person who represents salafis please come to london and meet shaykh haitham al haddad db.

[RayFairhurst]

You still haven't the slightest idea how Usool Al Fiqh works.

there is no point in arguing with someone who thinks we consider ulema as infallible because we ascribe to a madhhab.

[AdSuiteAdobe]

shaykh abdul hakeem murad with all due respect is a pure modernist who has questioned the rulings of the scholars on many occasions including the issue of the niqab which he is a vocal critic of, the penalty for apostacy, declaring the british raj as darul islam etc. He should pay more heed to his own words than anybody else. What I find shocking is that deobandis are putting him up the mimbar when his views are actually worse than salafis. This is on top of his praising hisham kabbani's quote on national TV that the majority i.e. he put the figure somewhere around 80-90% of american masjids are run by terrorists as well as his praise for the great kafir aga khan etc. Brother ahmed I will tackle your very recent anti-salafi posts another time but suffice to say that those who you labelled as salafis are not even salafis the likes of al muhajiroon etc who make takfir of mufti bin baz rh. If you want to see a person who represents salafis please come to london and meet shaykh haitham al haddad db.

is the sheikh a proper learned man with an ijaza or does he have a university degree in islamic studies or self-studied?
you should know sheikh qardawi is never labelled a 'modernist' yet gulen is. even though both hold pretty much the same opinions on music.
food for thought.

[POMAH_K]

bro whats with this ijazah culture....I even have an ijazah. Qardawi and gullen are the same in my books. Also most modernists in my own experience are learned people but this is the actual problem....they put their intellect above divine texts. Their intelligence and learning is the ACTUAL fitna for them. I have experienced this time and time again.

[ronaldasten]

bro whats with this ijazah culture....I even have an ijazah.

let us talk about sanad then. the question is about identifying who can or cannot be called a 'scholar'. and from then on we move forwards and see whether they bring fatawa from their back pockets or have academic worth.

Qardawi and gullen are the same in my books.

have any scholars from deoband (or anyone else you follow) held the exact same opinion?you can remove gulen's name and put a generic modernist in there.and then answer.

[Bgfbukpf]

I was not intentionally spreading mis-understandings, however my brother used to be a strong salafi, now he seems to have left the practice of deen. Anyway he and his friends used to pick up Hadith books translated in English and try to derive or find proof of a Fiqh issue.

The traditional non salafi ulama believe that knowledge is a light, it is transmitted from heart to heart, from teacher to student. It is not just reading hundreds of books and logically analysing them, which is what Madina University promotes.

salafis dont say you dont need scholars akhi, dont spread these sorts of misconceptions, the less we understand each other, the harder any sort of reconcilation is

what the salafis say, is that experts are not ma'suum.

In the west, doctors have told women their unborn children were dead, she questioned this and then it came out alive. The doctors had offered medication to remove it that wud have killed it. Doctors misdiagnose cancer and all sorts.

Experts can make costly mistakes in all fields including religion.

We still need ulema and should love and respect them, but dont believe they are ma'suum or all knowing or infallible.

To highlight a point, your deobandi scholars follow oppinions that imam abu hanifa rh never held. Does this mean they are more knowledgable? Or that imam abu hanifa rh had some mistakes? Or do u wish to follow imam abu hanifa rh 100% in which case, i can quote you many things which you do that goes against his oppinions.

[Efksqhyu]

Quote by London786; shaykh abdul hakeem murad with all due respect is a pure modernist who has questioned the rulings of the scholars on many occasions including the issue of the niqab which he is a vocal critic of, the penalty for apostacy, declaring the british raj as darul islam etc. These are acceptable differences of opinion, they are not rejecting the mathabs in total as the salafis do.


He should pay more heed to his own words than anybody else. What I find shocking is that deobandis are putting him up the mimbar when his views are actually worse than salafis. This is on top of his praising hisham kabbani's quote on national TV that the majority i.e. he put the figure somewhere around 80-90% of american masjids are run by terrorists as well as his praise for the great kafir aga khan etc. Brother ahmed I will tackle your very recent anti-salafi posts another time but suffice to say that those who you labelled as salafis are not even salafis the likes of al muhajiroon etc who make takfir of mufti bin baz rh. If you want to see a person who represents salafis please come to london and meet shaykh haitham al haddad db. We are living through a time where a spokesperson for Islam gets onto the TV, making all sorts of stupid comments, like the kuffar are dogs and they should be killed, or homosexual should be thrown off cliffs and rocks dropped on them. Is this really Islam? Or is it some aberration of Islam which is designed to make Islam look like a primitive and barbaric culture where people are just killed by mobs? As Muslims should we be prioritizing these rulings now given that we as an umma have other far more pressing problems that need addressing? Muslims first migrated to Ethiopia to a kafir Christian kingdom. Some wisdom and diplomacy goes along way towards strengthening .

[nickayary]

shaykh abdul hakeem murad with all due respect is a pure modernist who has questioned the rulings of the scholars on many occasions including the issue of the niqab which he is a vocal critic of, the penalty for apostacy, declaring the british raj as darul islam etc. He should pay more heed to his own words than anybody else. What I find shocking is that deobandis are putting him up the mimbar when his views are actually worse than salafis. This is on top of his praising hisham kabbani's quote on national TV that the majority i.e. he put the figure somewhere around 80-90% of american masjids are run by terrorists as well as his praise for the great kafir aga khan etc. Brother ahmed I will tackle your very recent anti-salafi posts another time but suffice to say that those who you labelled as salafis are not even salafis the likes of al muhajiroon etc who make takfir of mufti bin baz rh. If you want to see a person who represents salafis please come to london and meet shaykh haitham al haddad db.

You'll not befriend here with such a post bro

[Vikonbarius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5Wo...feature=fvwrel

[wmcelesta]

I have studied NUCLEAR PHYSICS, why the hell do I need a scholar?!! Am I so dumb that I can't make out the meaning of the words in the Glorious Quran by myself?!!!
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So said a guy who lived in KSA for 20+ years when I told him the importance of Scholars and madaaris.
May Allah SWT guide him, summa aameen.

[Reafnartefs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRXs5fqlXQ

Cant argue with this man May Allah bless him

[casinobonusa]

shaykh abdul hakeem murad with all due respect is a pure modernist who has questioned the rulings of the scholars on many occasions including the issue of the niqab which he is a vocal critic of, the penalty for apostacy, declaring the british raj as darul islam etc. He should pay more heed to his own words than anybody else

With all due respect, you are questioning the rulings of a scholar, who questiond the rulings of scholars.

Hence..unless you are of his equal learning...

Take heed of your conclusion highlighted in bold.

[poRmawayncmop]

so how did this end?