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i am sharing this piece particularly for the benefit of those striving to repel and answer liberalism, modernism and secularism. it should settle the debate(?) once and for all about who has 'real' Islam and whether Islam right now is a distorted image of the original message brought about by The prophet .

(taken from here)

"Let us settle this once and for all. If the liberals accuse ‘mullahs’ of distortion do the liberals have the real Islam of 1400 years ago? The Angle Jibraeel (AS) decided to convey real Islam to the liberals of Pakistan after the Ummah had been misguided for 1400 years? The truth is they either do not know, or reject, how Islam reached us through scholars and chain of narrators that preserved the teachings [1]. One simply cannot claim to know Islam by self-study or by learning from those who did self-study. Even the least practicing Muslim knows through Muslim culture that teachings of Islam are going to be preserved by Allah (SWT) till the Day of Judgement. This necessitates that there be a mechanism that continuously filters real Islam from fabrications and reprehensible innovations. This also necessitates that never in 1400 years the true message of Islam be lost [2]. This further asks us to investigate how Allah chose for Islam to be propagated from one generation to the next; and it was definitely not via self-study.

Therefore any claims by liberals of distortion of faith are uneducated and incorrect to say the least. But who among the liberals has ever picked up a book on Fiqh to read let alone go to a seminary or islamic center to learn Islam? Those who have learnt something yet chose to stay liberal or combine liberalism with Islam are another category. They are all misguided as we have just demonstrated. For this reason my request to people is to stop paying attention to what they are saying about Islam."

references:
[1]http://2reachout.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/answering-secularism-i-the-respect-of-muslim-scholars-and-the-importance-of-the-chain-of-narrators/
[2]Asr e Hazir mein Deen ki Tafheem or Tashreeh – Syed Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi (page 44).

[Podosinovik]

Do Liberals hate Mullahs who 'distorted Islam' or do they hate Islam itself?

will cover this soon in detail. but the link below already discussed this briefly.

we must remember and stress upon this point: their problem is with Islam. they don't like Islam. no matter what they say to the contrary this is the truth as seen from their writings and actions.

[sbrpkkl]

They have liberal filters which they apply on what little they know about Islam. With this filter they take out what they think is not right and keep what they think is acceptable. This cherry picking is arbitrary they first need to examine their liberal filter and see why it is problematic. Cherry picking ideas at university may be acceptable but when it comes to deen it is not. The rational faculty of man needs to submit to revelation, otherwise you end up like the mutazilah who cherry picked Islam and put their reason above revelation and this caused them to become confused. Life on earth is very short...eternal life is the opposite...one must not jeopardise the eternal bliss for the sake of a temporary appearance of success.

[Catieliecutty]

i am sharing this piece particularly for the benefit of those striving to repel and answer liberalism, modernism and secularism. it should settle the debate(?) once and for all about who has 'real' Islam and whether Islam right now is a distorted image of the original message brought about by The prophet .

(taken from here)

"Let us settle this once and for all. If the liberals accuse ‘mullahs’ of distortion do the liberals have the real Islam of 1400 years ago? The Angle Jibraeel (AS) decided to convey real Islam to the liberals of Pakistan after the Ummah had been misguided for 1400 years? The truth is they either do not know, or reject, how Islam reached us through scholars and chain of narrators that preserved the teachings [1]. One simply cannot claim to know Islam by self-study or by learning from those who did self-study. Even the least practicing Muslim knows through Muslim culture that teachings of Islam are going to be preserved by Allah (SWT) till the Day of Judgement. This necessitates that there be a mechanism that continuously filters real Islam from fabrications and reprehensible innovations. This also necessitates that never in 1400 years the true message of Islam be lost [2]. This further asks us to investigate how Allah chose for Islam to be propagated from one generation to the next; and it was definitely not via self-study.

Therefore any claims by liberals of distortion of faith are uneducated and incorrect to say the least. But who among the liberals has ever picked up a book on Fiqh to read let alone go to a seminary or islamic center to learn Islam? Those who have learnt something yet chose to stay liberal or combine liberalism with Islam are another category. They are all misguided as we have just demonstrated. For this reason my request to people is to stop paying attention to what they are saying about Islam."

references:
[1]http://2reachout.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/answering-secularism-i-the-respect-of-muslim-scholars-and-the-importance-of-the-chain-of-narrators/
[2]Asr e Hazir mein Deen ki Tafheem or Tashreeh – Syed Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi (page 44).

better to say classical muslim or traditional Muslim than fundamentalist as fundamentalist is often used for people who are definitely not on the religion as it was for 1400 years.

[gennnniiikk]

Do Liberals hate Mullahs who 'distorted Islam' or do they hate Islam itself?

some in both groups

it depends how liberal these liberals are

[beth]

Do Liberals hate Mullahs who 'distorted Islam' or do they hate Islam itself?

will cover this soon in detail. but the link below already discussed this briefly.

we must remember and stress upon this point: their problem is with Islam. they don't like Islam. no matter what they say to the contrary this is the truth as seen from their writings and actions.

Would you define me as a 'liberal Muslim' ? I guess yes.

So do you think that I don't "like" Islam? ...lol

[MYMcvBgl]

Given the definitions of liberalism below I would say it is incompatible with Islam because it is also secularist.

What is Liberalism

What is Liberalism?. It is a political orientation which favors the social progress by implementing law and reform rather than revolution. It is the belief in the importance of equal rights and liberty. This ideology began in the 18th century, which was a movement to self government and away from aristocracy. The ideology includes: The primacy of the individual or the nation, ideas of self determination, opposed to the state, family, economy and politics. Aristocracy is a government form in which the best qualified rule.

What is liberalism fundamental idea?. This political movement supports such fundamental ideas which are the following: Liberal democracy, human rights, constitutionalism, fair and free elections, freedom of religion and free trade. Its known that these ideas are accepted widely and by political groups that do not profess a liberal ideological orientation. An ideological orientation is an orientation which characterizes the thinking of a nation or group. Liberalism includes several traditional and intellectual trends. Its most dominant variants are: Social and Classical liberalism.

What is classical liberalism?. Classical liberalism was developed in the 18th century and became very popular in the Americas and Western Europe. Is defined as a philosophy, which is committed to the ideology of limited government, freedom of speech, religion, assembly, press and free markets. It advocated a specific kind of government, public policy and society required as a result of the urbanization and industrial revolution. Classical liberalism was known to be a dominant political theory on the United Kingdom during the 18th century until the First World War.

What is social liberalism?. Also known as Modern liberalism, it is the belief of having social justice included on this ideology. It believes that the legitimate role of the state includes: Unemployment, health care, addressing economic and education. Social liberalism views the good of the community as harmonious with the freedom of all individuals. This ideology parties and ideas tend to be considered centre left or centrist. Centrism also known as centre left is the practice or ideal to promote policies which stands different from the standard political right and political left. This ideal tends to focus on policies such as: Human rights, civil liberties; social and economic liberalism.

What is Liberalism International?. Liberal International is an international political federation for liberal parties. This international federation has become the strengthening of liberalism around the world and the leading network for liberal parties. It was established in 1947 in the city of Oxford. Their main principles are the following: Social justice, tolerance, environmental sustainability, respect for human rights, fair and free elections and sense of solidarity. A few members of this international federation are the following countries: Cuba, Angola, Costa Rica, Denmark, Egypt, Germany, Peru, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Norway, etc.

What is liberalism when regarded as modern in the United States?. The Modern American variant is known as a form of social liberalism. It was developed from progressive ideals such as: John F. Kennedy New Frontier, Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom, etc. American Liberalism includes African American voting rights, gay rights, education, health care and abortion rights for women. It combines social Progressivism and social liberalism with the support a mixed economy and welfare state.

Here, at whatisliberalism.com you will be provided with lots more of information in our other pages.

[Annevecenqp]

Just as liberals can distort islam for liberal principles, so can extremists do for some extremist or conservative principles. At the end of the day neither being liberal nor extreme nor being conservative necessitates real islam. The source and authority of islam is much different.

[caseferter]

Just as liberals can distort islam for liberal principles, so can extremists do for some extremist or conservative principles. At the end of the day neither being liberal nor extreme nor being conservative necessitates real islam. The source and authority of islam is much different.

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MODERATION IN ALL THINGS

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) once asked a companion: "(Is it true) that you fast all day and stand in prayer all night?" The companion replied that the report was indeed true. The Prophet then said: "Do not do that! Observe the fast sometimes and also leave (it) at other times. Stand up for prayer at night and also sleep at night. Your body has a right over you, your eyes have a right over you and your wife has a right over you." - Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Hadith 127


ADOPT A MODERATE COURSE

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately. . .Always adopt a middle, moderate, regular course, whereby you will reach your target (of paradise)." - Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Hadith 470


BE MODERATE IN YOUR RELIGIOUS DEEDS

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise (i.e., no one enters paradise only through his good deeds)." The Prophet's companions asked: "Not even you?" The Prophet replied: "Not even myself, unless God bestows His favor and mercy on me. So be moderate in your religious deeds and do what is within your ability. None of you should wish for death, for if he is a doer of good, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to God." - Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Hadith 577

Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Those who make things hard for themselves will be destroyed." He said it three times. [Muslin] One does not exaggerate and go beyond the limit set by Allaah, and that one does not neglect it and fall short of the limit set by Allaah.

Allah Knows Best.

[Cnbaapuy]

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Would you define me as a 'liberal Muslim' ? I guess yes.

So do you think that I don't "like" Islam? ...lol

You like your self defined Islam, not the authentic Islam about which we are discussing.

This is still Ramadan. So keep your mouth shut and don't provoke us to use unpleasant words against you.

[Soresbox]

Just as liberals can distort islam for liberal principles, so can extremists do for some extremist or conservative principles. At the end of the day neither being liberal nor extreme nor being conservative necessitates real islam. The source and authority of islam is much different.

what is the point of bringing in groups you don't like in a thread about something completely different?

[rNr5Di3S]

better to say classical muslim or traditional Muslim than fundamentalist as fundamentalist is often used for people who are definitely not on the religion as it was for 1400 years.

i was using liberal lingo : D

in liberal language any practicing muslim is a fundamentalist. from salafiyyah to malikiyyah. from bin baaz to sh. hamza yusuf.

this is how their mind works.