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Old 09-24-2011, 03:10 PM   #21
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I edited out the Dua. You are right, we are not the ones to decide if tyrants are to be punished or to be guided.

I just listened to a lecture. The speaker mentioned that Allah guided Abu Sufiyan who fought war with the Prophet for almost 2 decades. Also his wife Hind who mutilated the body of Prophet's uncle Hamza . We are nobody. I realize the mistake. Allah alone has power over such matters.

May Allah guide us all. Ameen.
Alhamdulillah.

By the way, a Shia Mawlwi from UP called Kalb Jawwad went on fast against Modi: http://twocircles.net/2011sep23/kalb...inst_modi.html
May Allah guide both Modi and the Shiite.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:32 PM   #22
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:30 PM   #23
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By the way, I have seen Boris bowing down to idols of Ganesh also. Guess it is taqiyya.



Do u remember some 10 - 15 yrs back their Bhori Mulla made some defamatory remarks against our beloved Prophet .. riots had broken out and many of them were stabbed in broad daylight.. ( well almost everything happens in broad daylight there.. since mumbaikars are so open and straight forward ..) ultimately the mulla had to apologise..


In the Mumbai riots post babri masjid when these guys were attacked by hindus they used to say we are Bhori's and not sunnis.. the hindus whacked them anyway..
Taqiyya no doubt.. they dont even reply to salaam.. well i guess its wrong to wish them in the 1st place..

I learnt thier community suffered huge losses in gujrat riots compared to sunnis.. and now they patronise the same guy who looted them.. Losers not doubt..

wa assalam..
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:48 PM   #24
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Do u remember some 10 - 15 yrs back their Bhori Mulla made some defamatory remarks against our beloved Prophet .. riots had broken out and many of them were stabbed in broad daylight.. ( well almost everything happens in broad daylight there.. since mumbaikars are so open and straight forward ..) ultimately the mulla had to apologise..


In the Mumbai riots post babri masjid when these guys were attacked by hindus they used to say we are Bhori's and not sunnis.. the hindus whacked them anyway..
Taqiyya no doubt.. they dont even reply to salaam.. well i guess its wrong to wish them in the 1st place..

I learnt thier community suffered huge losses in gujrat riots compared to sunnis.. and now they patronise the same guy who looted them.. Losers not doubt..

wa assalam..

If I may correct you, the leader of the Bohris made remarks against our mother A'isha(ra) and riots broke out.
Secondly, the Bohris I know say the salam first to me.
They suffered losses in Gujarat, true, but not more than our people.
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Old 10-03-2011, 02:56 PM   #25
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:57 PM   #26
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By TCN News,

New Delhi: Indian American Muslim Council has decried Gujarat Chief Minister Mr. Narendra Modi's attempts to project himself as a champion of peace and harmony, while being complicit in the mass murder and displacement of thousands during the Gujarat pogrom of 2002, and engaging in continued harassment of social activists.

Mr. Modi recently announced a "sadbhavna mission" fast to Godhra, the city where the Sabarmati train carnage in February 2002 became a pretext for the organized genocide of Muslims in Gujarat. Although the fast's stated objective is to "promote peace, harmony and brotherhood", the actions of Mr. Modi's administration, in detaining social activist Shabnam Hashmi and five others of NGO Anhad, belie this claim. Ms. Hashmi and her colleagues were detained for organizing a convention titled "In Search of Justice."

Ms. Shabnam Hashmi is a well known human rights and social activist who has worked tirelessly for the cause of social justice and communal harmony. On the other hand, several independent studies as well as the testimony of whistleblowers like IPS Officer Sanjiv Bhatt and the "Tehelka" publication report on the Gujarat riots, clearly point to Mr. Modi's active connivance in the mass pogrom.

"There is mounting evidence that Mr. Modi has blood on his hands and it cannot be washed away through exercises in political chicanery such as the fast in Godhra," said Mr. Shaheen Khateeb (President, IAMC). "While Mr. Modi has the right to fast whenever he wishes, his administration's continued harassment of those that are genuinely seeking to help the victims exposes the hollowness of his newfound sensitivity to the human condition," added Mr. Khateeb.

IAMC has called upon Mr. Modi to drop the pretensions of false empathy for the Gujarat victims, desist from the harassment of whistleblowers and social activists, and allow justice to take its course.

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Old 01-31-2012, 10:47 PM   #27
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I thought you meant the modi family in the drama Saath Nibhaana Saathiya on Star Plus

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Old 02-01-2012, 12:20 PM   #28
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I thought you meant the modi family in the drama Saath Nibhaana Saathiya on Star Plus

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sister.
Sorry, I don't watch TV so I do not know of this Modi family.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:37 PM   #29
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The Dawudi Boris are sucking upto Modi:


Ahmedabad: After Muslims voted the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) candidates in the recent district panchayat and local bodies elections in Gujarat, members of Dawoodi Bohra Muslim community on Tuesday visited Chief Minister Narendra Modi to wish him on the occasion of the New Hindu Vikram Samvat year.

The delegation comprising 170 people including 25 women in their traditional dresses had representatives of the Bohra community who had come from all over the state.

Prominent among those greeting Modi included Bohra spiritual leader Dr. Syedna Burhanuddin’s special representative Sheikh Aun Ali from Burhanpur in Madhya Pradesh.

When contacted, Ali said that though Syedna was currently on a foreign trip, he had asked him to call on Modi personally and extend him the new year greetings after Diwali. Ali said that Syedna had wished Modi for the development and prosperity of Gujarat.

he said that a number of developmental works were required to be undertaken by Syedna for the benefit of the community.

Syedna had sent him to the chief minister to greet him on the occasion of the beginning of the new Samvat year.

Two years ago, Modi had appointed Sajjad Hira, a Dawoodi Bohra, as president of the state BJP (Minority Morhcha).
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Old 02-25-2012, 06:05 PM   #30
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If I may correct you, the leader of the Bohris made remarks against our mother A'isha(ra) and riots broke out.
Secondly, the Bohris I know say the salam first to me.
They suffered losses in Gujarat, true, but not more than our people.


oh.. then they dont say salam to ugly fellows like me..

hey did u ever try the chicken tandoori.. seekh and khaleji gurda barbeque at bhori mohalla..? superb stuff man.. i drop down to Mumbai like once in a year (have a long relationship with the city) so why dont we sit down at the persian durbar sometime ..

duas..

wa assalam..
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:12 AM   #31
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oh.. then they dont say salam to ugly fellows like me..

hey did u ever try the chicken tandoori.. seekh and khaleji gurda barbeque at bhori mohalla..? superb stuff man.. i drop down to Mumbai like once in a year (have a long relationship with the city) so why dont we sit down at the persian durbar sometime ..

duas..

wa assalam..

Probably they say salam out of mercy to me.
I am not interested in food, hadrat but whenever you come down to Bbay, it will be my treat. Instead of PD, let us go to Shalimar.
Take care.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:46 PM   #32
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Who Needs Modi's Apology

The Muslims need justice, not a convoluted apology from the architect of Gujarat 2002

Sunday August 12, 2012 Aijaz Zaka Syed





Modi's 'hang me' remark reprehensible, says minister

Congress ministers Thursday slammed Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi for his remark "Hang me if I am guilty" with reference to the 2002 riots in the state, terming it "highly »



US House resolution asks Gujarat to restore religious freedom

Modi's object lesson in political grandiosity

No matter how much they loath each other, the Muslims and Gujarat’s Modi can’t seem to get out of the tango they find themselves forever locked in. The passage of time hasn’t done anything to dull the pain and trauma of the 2002 pogrom that wiped out more than 2,000 lives. The fact that the Gujarat satrap is yet to betray any signs of remorse, let alone apologize for the three months of communal orgy of mass murder, rape and destruction unleashed on the community hasn’t helped matters.

The BJP government not just orchestrated the dance of death, senior ministers, accompanied by top police and administration officials, led the mobs in many cases as they went about ‘venting the Hindu sentiments,’ in Modi’s words. Two of those ministers were jailed. The chief architect however remains untouched and unrepentant.

Of late though one descries a growing desperation in the Gujarat leader as he eyes the Delhi throne, cheered on by the fast expanding middle classes and media owned by big business houses he has been pampering all these years in the state.

With the chaos in the Congress-UPA camp deepening by the day and the grand ol’ party marching determinedly, eyes wide shut, into the sunset, Delhi has never appeared more enticing and within striking distance of the former RSS pracharak (propagandist).

The only stumbling block in Modi’s trajectory to Delhi ostensibly is the wretched, hated minority that he and his comrades have spent their life time fighting and trying to destroy. Seems you can curse and abuse Muslims but you can’t ignore them, as Sudheendra Kulkarni, the Leftie who turned saffron, acknowledges in his latest Indian Expresspiece. After all these years of Muslim-bashing, how Modi and company must hate wooing them like those ‘pseudo-secular’ parties!

Modi’s Sadbhavana (harmony) show last year understandably attracted plenty of media attention even if it left his former mentors like Advani squirming in the shadows. Notwithstanding those loyal Bohri caps and beards in attendance, little seemed to change between Muslims and Modi though. The much-debated Nai Duniya interview is therefore seen as a stroke of genius.

An Urdu weekly owned by a politician who often appears on television to speak on Muslim issues. What better platform to offer an apology that wasn’t! Any newspaper/journalist would have killed to get such an interview with one of the most controversial figures offering sound bites like “Hang me if you find me guilty!”

Journalists are suckers for such scoops. Good news isn’t really good news as far as the media is concerned. It revels in notoriety. The more infamous and outrageous the subject the better it is for circulation figures and television rating points.

Journalists like Oriana Fallaci, Sir David Frost and Pakistan’s Altaf Hasan Qureshi built their careers out of interviewing the high and mighty. Fallaci acquired a cult status by interviewing movers and shakers from Arafat to Bhutto and Ayatollah Khomeini to Kissinger, only to ruin it all with her anti-Muslim rants after 9/11. Frost has a successful Hollywood movie, Frost/Nixon, based on his 1977 interview with Richard Nixon.

So it’s understandable if Shahid Siddiqui jumped at the offer of a Modi exclusive, especially since the Gujarat CM rarely grants interviews. As a journalist, one respects Siddiqui’s right to interview Modi or anybody he wants to. Except Modi is not anybody. He has to answer for the massacre of hundreds of innocent people.

This fame isn’t limited to Indian shores. He has been repeatedly denied visas by the United States and European Union despite his friends in high places and powerful Hindutva lobby abroad. He has been spending millions of dollars of taxpayer’s money on his image makeover by hiring some of the top lobbying firms in the US. However, these attempts to sanitize himself haven’t been much successful. Modi, like Macbeth, is haunted by his past. Out, damned spot!

And it’s not just Muslims; the reasonable majority of the nation recoils at the idea of Modi as PM despite the elaborate media-big business circus to paint him as India’s only hope. Within 48 hours of Nai Duniya interview, Samajwadi Party sacked Siddiqui. Modi’s legacy is that toxic.

Although one would like to give the benefit of doubt to Siddiqui, given his past—hopping from the Congress to BSP to SP in the past three years--and his tendency to use his profession to promote his political career, there’s clearly more to this whole affair than meets the eye.

Indeed, I have a feeling we are missing the big picture by assuming this is Modi’s way of reaching out to the Muslims without alienating his hardcore Hindutva constituency. The crafty tactician that he is, he knows that no amount of spin and ‘hearts-and-minds’ stuff is going to work with Muslims.

This whole “reaching-out-to-Muslims” business is actually aimed at the larger Indian society and establishment that has largely shunned him despite all the hype about the ‘vibrant Gujarat’ and his CEO-style leadership.

Here’s what Sudheendra Kulkarni argues in Indian Express: “Such is the power of honesty, clarity, candor, courage and transparency (yeah right!) behind Modi’s answers to Siddiqui’s searching questions, that the interview has succeeded in making both Muslims and also his many Hindu critics think about him with an open and unprejudiced mind.”

Advani’s former aide clearly knows which way the wind is blowing in the BJP as he pitches for the Gujarat satrap: “The dynastic Congress will shiver and sink if the Modi-Muslim relationship gets recast in this manner, with both sides learning the lessons taught by that wise teacher—democracy.” Dream on, pal!

Remember, Modi for all his supposed candor and courage still hasn’t apologized! In the 4-page Nai Duniya interview there’s not a single word that can be stretched and spun as admission of guilt. To repeated suggestions urging him to “apologize,” he has one defiant answer: “Hang me if you can!” In other words, you can’t!

If this isn’t an open defiance of Indian democracy, rule of law and, above all, judiciary, what is? Having destroyed all evidence and muscled in the witnesses and whistleblowers over the past 10 years, he thinks he can get away with murder. So don’t count on that apology.

In any case, Muslims need no apology from Modi or anyone else. What they need is justice and fair play. Thanks to the Supreme Court intervention and persistent efforts of gutsy individuals like Teesta Setalvad and Mukul Sinha, many of those involved in the 2002 pogrom have been for the first time in India’s history convicted. However, the real architects of the genocide remain untouched. Thousands of families driven from their villages and towns in 2002 still can’t return and are languishing in camps in awful conditions. Hundreds of Muslim youths are rotting away in Gujarat’s prisons as ‘terrorists.’

Unless these facts on the ground change, how can anyone expect Muslims to forgive and forget and move on? Besides, it’s not just Modi. The real problem is the Hindutva worldview which sees Muslims—and other minorities—as outsiders and usurpers. It’s this mindset that was responsible for the Gujarat 2002. The BJP may have softened its xenophobic rhetoric in recent years thanks to the exigencies of coalition politics. Its agenda however remains unchanged.



Aijaz Zaka Syed is a widely published writer and columnist.

The above article first appeared in Arab News on August 10, 2012.

Write him at aijaz.syed@hotmail.com


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