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09-08-2011, 07:37 PM | #21 |
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09-08-2011, 07:48 PM | #22 |
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aoa, You can put it in your children's name then you can Answer to Allah on the day of Qayamat. If someone says he is, then you have no right to doubt him because your Dunia and Akhrat does not depend on him being a real syed or a Fake Syed. brother taliban: - it is wrong to feel proud of your lineage as it had nothing to do with you. it was Allah (SWT) who decided where to put you. a syed girl who feels awkward in a pathan house as their daughter in law because she feels they are of lower caste should be ashamed of herself. Pride is wrong when others are looked down. This pride has got nothing to do with Takabbur (that you look down on others). Don't you thank Allah that he gave you great parents, did not make you a beggar on the streets, made you a Muslim. Aren't you proud to be a muslim? Hazrat Umar married the daughter of Hazrat Ali only because he wanted to create a strong connection with the family of Rasool Allah . I posted the hadith somewhere on the forum. No, if a Syed girl feels awkward, there is nothing to be ashamed of because this awkwardness is taken into consideration by Shariat as stated by Fuqaha. It's the same as the Govt did'n't allow Saudi Girls to be married to non saudis. They are allowed now but with strict conditions! - durood is for the Prophet (PBUH) and his ummat. not just his family. your interpretation is very strange. What does وعلي ال محمد mean? there are factors that shd be considered when choosing a family: -mother tongue: believe it or not you will find it very hard to raise kids if both parents have diff mother tongues. but its not impossible. -piety: you quoted the hadith. that is the basis. -wealth: really?you dont have to be super rich you just need to have enough wealth to not come on the streets. thats the lowest rung on the ladder. any 'pious' girl will not be materialistic so to speak. are you aware of the setting behind Hazrat Ali (ra) and hazrat fatima's marriage?hence it is against taqwa to reject someone who is earning a decent living and is pious but you want your daughter to be with someone who drives a ferrari and may not know jack about basic islam. believe me this happens. - lineage: absolute rubbish. this syed and ansari and sheikh stuff is absolutely bogus. people actually feel proud of being known by this! any practising muslim with fear of Allah will not look down upon others based on their lineage. give me proof from the Prophet (PBUH) and his companion's time. dont quote desai. - occupation: tells you whether the income is halal or haram and whether the boy will be able to provide in the future. You just differ on the lineage matter because maybe You don't like it! I won't quote desai or anyone. You can email your question to Islamqa. when nikah becomes difficult because of self-imposed ideologies and difficulties then your society will see a rampant increase in zina and fahashi. good luck beating the syed drum when your son or daughter becomes involved in an illicit relationship because you cannot find a filthy rich syed family. There are many more things to worry about than lineage. Well actually I don't think there are many cases of Syed girl falling into Zina because they can't find syed families. Please don't be emotional here. the Prophet (PBUH) destroyed all such notions of lineage and nationalism during his last sermon. which means we are not to be proud of our family, our nation, tribe etc. they are for identification and thats that. Yes they are for identification and thats that! Don't make it more than that! |
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09-09-2011, 12:00 AM | #23 |
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You can put it in your children's name then you can Answer to Allah on the day of Qayamat. |
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09-09-2011, 03:02 AM | #24 |
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Salam Aleykum,
Hmmm, Sayyeds marrying non-Sayyeds is Haram you say? Let me give you the most famous examples, Didn't the Prophet SAWS give two of his "Sayyed" daughters to thu al-Noorayn 'Uthman ibn 'Affan (ra)? 'Uthman was not a Sayyed yet he married two Sayyed women... Didn't 'Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) give his "Sayyed" daughter Umm Kulthoum bin Fatima to the Caliph Ameer al-Mumineen 'Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra)? 'Umar was not a Sayyed yet he married 'Ali's daughter. So this cultural mumbo-jumbo comes directly from the subcontinent, because some people deceived others by telling them that they were "Sayyeds" then started acting like they were ABOVE everyone else, like a Pope. enjoy, |
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09-09-2011, 03:11 AM | #26 |
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Salam Aleykum, Totally wrong understanding and your cursing based on your own wrong understanding. |
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09-09-2011, 03:12 AM | #27 |
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09-09-2011, 03:37 AM | #28 |
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So this cultural mumbo-jumbo comes directly from the subcontinent, because some people deceived others by telling them that they were "Sayyeds" then started acting like they were ABOVE everyone else, like a Pope. I agree with you. I have personally seen many such families who think they are far superior and "special" just because they are syed. Even non-practicing Syeds think they are an exclusive group, especially when it comes to marriage. Being reverts from a Shia sect, we look only at Deen for marriage but we got a reality check when we were trying to get married. We were/are looked down upon as impure lineage by our Syed beothers and sisters.....deen...aah..who cares! This is just my experience. |
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09-09-2011, 03:42 AM | #29 |
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09-09-2011, 03:46 AM | #30 |
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09-09-2011, 03:50 AM | #31 |
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09-09-2011, 03:58 AM | #32 |
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Please read the posts made by me earlier in this thread. al-Hussein ibn 'Ali (ra) who was a Sayyed married Umm Ishaq bint Talha bin 'Ubeidullah (ra) and she was not a Sayyedah, they produced a daughter called Fatima bint al-Hussein and she was a Sayyedah and who did she marry? did she marry another Sayyed? Nope her parents married her to 'Abdullah al-Mutraf ibn 'Amro ibn 'Uthman ibn 'Affan (ra) who was an Umayyad and not a Sayyed. And there are plenty of examples, so where is the evil in this act exactly? |
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09-09-2011, 04:07 AM | #33 |
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Yes I just read them all at your request, more importantly you commented on my post and said that I don't understand something, can you tell me what I wrote which is wrong in my post? because The companions did not think in this way and I already gave you examples, I'll give more: My sisters are married to non syeds. I'm married to Non syed. Why did a divorce take place between Hazrat Zaid and Hazrat Zainab رضي الله عنهم اجمعين? |
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09-09-2011, 04:19 AM | #34 |
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So where did I say it's haram or it's evil to marry to non syeds? The Prophet (pbuh) is also reported to have said: "I, and the one who looks after an orphan, will be like this in Paradise," showing his middle and index fingers and separating them. (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Hadith No. 224) However the Arabs of the time had the habit of adopting and naming the child after their own names and giving the child inheritance and basically treating him like a member of the family, thus marrying your son's wife was not allowed and considered a bad thing, Allah changed this practice completely, he says in the Quran: "Name them after their fathers, that is more just with Allah. If you do not know their fathers, regard them as your brothers in the religion, or those under your sponsorship. There is no fault in you if you make mistakes, but only in what your hearts intended. Allah is Forgiving and the Most Merciful" (33:5) As for Zaid and Zeinab: 1-They had a lot of family problems and Zaid used to come to the prophet SAWS to complain about Zeinab. It is recorded in "Jami'i al-Bayan" by al-Tabari 11/22 and "Tafseer al-Quran al-'Azeem" by ibn Katheer 3/489 and in al-Bukhari #4787 that Allah already told the Prophet SAWS that Zaid was going to divorce his wife Zeinab, the couple had problems and they couldn't continue their life together. Zaid used to even come to the prophet SAWS to complain about his wife as narrated by Anas in the Sahih: "Zaid bin Haritha came to the Prophet complaining about his wife." The Prophet's SAWS reaction would be: "O Zaid, be afraid of Allah and keep your wife." 2-Allah told the Prophet SAWS that he was going to grant him his adoptive son's Wife and he feared the People's reaction since back in those days this was considered a shameful act. 3-The Prophet SAWS kept telling Zaid to be patient and to keep his wife. "And when you said to he whom Allah had favored and yourself have favored: 'Keep your wife and fear Allah' and you sought to hide in yourself what Allah was to reveal, fearing people; although Allah has a better right for you to fear Him." [33:37] 4-What Allah had willed had happened and the Prophet SAWS fulfilled Allah's orders when Zaid divorced his wife. "And when Zayd had accomplished what he would of her (divorce), We gave her to you (Prophet Muhammad) in marriage, so that there is no fault in believers concerning (marriage to) the former spouse of their foster children if they divorced them. The decree of Allah must be done." [33:37] |
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09-09-2011, 04:29 AM | #35 |
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09-09-2011, 04:33 AM | #36 |
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Khair, Let's leave the argument here.
Fuqaha have clearly stated about KUFW in their books. Fuqaha are on our heads and eyes! If someone wants to say that considering lineage in marriages is NON SENSE then it's their problem. I just want to say that even if we take it as an evil, it is lesser evil than considering MONEY ... |
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09-09-2011, 07:19 AM | #38 |
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Ussalamulaikum
I have absolutely nothing of benefit to add. But, had to say something (as how often do you see a thread about your own name) I have never given my name to much thought as when I asked an Arab brother he asked me how I pronounced it and when I did so he told me it means "Mr". Had I pronounced it with elongated "sa" "eid" it means happy. In saying that I am a firm believer that names are important and often see the character of a person being a reflection of their name. Walaikum salaam just another Syed |
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09-09-2011, 11:16 AM | #39 |
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those who take fuqaha's opinions even when the incorrectness and impracticality of their logic is glaring in their faces are the ones who need a reality check. one mufti gives one fatwa and the other one gives another. so instead of playing 'my mufti' why not use your common sense? i clearly mentioned how any person who rejects someone on the basis of lower ranked lineage is arrogant and i gave an example to show that. br tripoly sunni gave better proofs from the Companions' example. this further shows the hollowness of the fatwa from askimam.
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09-09-2011, 12:36 PM | #40 |
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those who take fuqaha's opinions even when the incorrectness and impracticality of their logic is glaring in their faces are the ones who need a reality check. one mufti gives one fatwa and the other one gives another. so instead of playing 'my mufti' why not use your common sense? i clearly mentioned how any person who rejects someone on the basis of lower ranked lineage is arrogant and i gave an example to show that. br tripoly sunni gave better proofs from the Companions' example. this further shows the hollowness of the fatwa from askimam. Well, bro tripoly did not give any better proof. I asked him for a particular reason as to why the marriage of Syedah Zainab رضي الله عنها and Hazrat Zaid رضي الله عنه failed but he brought forward nothing regarding the exact reason. The only problem I see here is your failure to accept that lineage can be a valid reason in marriages not working. I can't understand how you can accept rejecting on basis of wealth,money,looks as valid reasons but rejecting on basis of lineage as Arrogant! |
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