[RogHammon]

i have always wanted to know where it states in the quran that syed women are not allowed to marry outside meaning other than syed, i am confused. I was brought up to believe we aare form the family of the prophet muhammad (pbuh), can anyone tell me if this is islamic and that i must stick by these rules, any quotations would be great. I have read in the basheti zewar moulana book, that if a syed marrys a moghul or pathan it is considered as marrying someone socially lower than you. It is allowed to marry a sheikh as they are like cousins etc. Please help

[thomaskkk]

Bismillah
I have never heard that syeds are not allowed to marry other than syeds and we have sheikhs, syeds, pathans all in my family.

[jq0AFTTC]

Bismillah
My question is that can syed girl and non syed man get married? Will this nikah be jayez?
A sayed female can marry a non-sayed male if she has the permission of her guardian, and if she agrees to marry a man outside her Kufwu (equal or match in lineage, wealth, etc). However if she (sayed female) agrees to marry a non-sayed but she does not have the permission of her guardian, the Nikah will not be correct. (Raddul Muhtaar, Vol. 2, Page 297, Fataawaa Darul Uloom Deoband Mukammal wa Mudallal, Vol. 8, Page 236/7)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Muhammad Ashraf
Darul Ifta ? Jamiat Mahmoodia, Springs


http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...14993&act=view

[Haremporblape]

Bismillah
I belong to a Syed faimly who are considered as most respected because they belong to HAZRAT MUHAMMAD P.B.U.H faimly tree. my question is some people think that syed's cannot marry a non syed person its very bad and person will face serious consequences for this. some poeple say we do this for the survival of the syed's generation..so is it wrong to marry an non-syed person???..something bad happens..please guide me i need ur response.
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

Shari’ah has taken great precaution in ensuring that nikah with an incompatible person does not take place. Therefore, Shari’ah advices one to perform nikah within those who are compatible and equal in the following factors:

Lineage.
Islam.
Piety.
Wealth.
Profession or occupation.

The Sayyeds hold the highest rank as far as lineage is concerned. The ‘Alawis and the Ansaris follow thereafter. However, all three will be regarded as equal in lineage and marriage between them will be regarded as compatible. Marriage of a Sayyed to anyone lower in status will be regarded as incompatible.

The issue of incompatibility in marriage will only take effect when a girl marries a person who is incompatible to her, without the consent of the wali (guardian). The wali will then have the right to annul the marriage. On the other hand, if the wali himself gets his daughter married to an incompatible person and feels that this person would be more suitable for his daughter, then it will be permissible for him to do so. Similarly, it will be permissible for a boy to get married to a girl who is not compatible to him.

In the light of the abovementioned, it will not be permissible for you to get married to a non-Sayyed without the consent of the guardian. However, if you find a boy who is not a Sayyed, but is bestowed with the bounties of knowledge and good character; it will be permissible for you to marry him with the consent of your guardian.

(Bahishti Zewar (English Translation) Vol.1 Pg.376 – Zam Zam Publications)
(Fatawa Mahmoodiyah Vol.11 Pg.622 – Jami’ah Farooqiyah)

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Ml. Abu Yahya,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...92310ae62d93fd

[neictscek]

Bismillah
I wanted to know who are shaikhs actually and how come they are cousins of syeds and also who are Alawis mentioned in the fatwa.

[pokerbonuscod]

hey, is marriage in the air or something? lol!

just a question, post no. #4 says...

"Shari’ah has taken great precaution in ensuring that nikah with an incompatible person does not take place. Therefore, Shari’ah advices one to perform nikah within those who are compatible and equal in the following factors:
Lineage.
Islam.
Piety.
Wealth.
Profession or occupation."

does this mean in islaam it is unadvisable to marry a guy that is not as wealthy and on par with your family lineage?

[Henldyhl]

that old age Muslim snobbery mixed with xenophobia and racism

No wonder we are so lost or lets say we are in a confused state of minds

sayyid this sayyid that as if they are more important than anyone else in the eyes of Allah

Isnt this the same thing Prophet (SAW) SPOKE AGAINST in Araffah during his Hajj?

[creewespock]

that old age Muslim snobbery mixed with xenophobia and racism

No wonder we are so lost or lets say we are in a confused state of minds

sayyid this sayyid that as if they are more important than anyone else in the eyes of Allah

Isnt this the same thing Prophet (SAW) SPOKE AGAINST in Araffah during his Hajj?

Aren't you the one who makes dua for all the Syeds in every namaz?

[eocavrWM]

Aren't you the one who makes dua for all the Syeds in every namaz?

elaborate

[dalnecymync]

hey, is marriage in the air or something? lol!

just a question, post no. #4 says...

"Shari’ah has taken great precaution in ensuring that nikah with an incompatible person does not take place. Therefore, Shari’ah advices one to perform nikah within those who are compatible and equal in the following factors:
Lineage.
Islam.
Piety.
Wealth.
Profession or occupation."

does this mean in islaam it is unadvisable to marry a guy that is not as wealthy and on par with your family lineage?

This has some details.

Actually, Shariat gives alot of importance to family life. It wants marriages to be stable from all aspects. Because, if a marriage is ruined, the whole society is ruined. That is why, there are some rules laid down by Shariat to ensure the smoothness of marriages.

If the Wali of the girl sees that the girl will not be happy living with a person of different lineage or different status then it is not advisable to marry.

BUT,

If the girl will be happy (for whatever reasons, like because of the boy's piety), then it is advisable to marry.

The hadith: IF a proposal comes to you and you are happy with his Deen and akhlaaq then marry off your daughter/sister to him. If you don't do it, there will be Big and widespread Fitnah on Earth!

Example:

Arab girls here care about their lineage alot. Even if the wali would be willing to marry her in another tribe, the girl herself wouldn't want to go into any other lineage than hers. If the wali does marry her, she will not be able to adjust there. This will be a mental torment for her for the rest of her life.

A pious girl brought up in wealth can or cannot adjust in poor living status. So it is not against Taqwa if a boy is denied on the basis that the daughter would not be able to live with him.

[SkatrySkith]

elaborate and whats namaz?

Salah. You read durood in Salah right?

[Nidsstese]

This has some details.

Actually, Shariat gives alot of importance to family life. It wants marriages to be stable from all aspects. Because, if a marriage is ruined, the whole society is ruined. That is why, there are some rules laid down by Shariat to ensure the smoothness of marriages.

If the Wali of the girl sees that the girl will not be happy living with a person of different lineage or different status then it is not advisable to marry.

BUT,

If the girl will be happy (for whatever reasons, like because of the boy's piety), then it is advisable to marry.

The hadith: IF a proposal comes to you and you are happy with his Deen and akhlaaq then marry off your daughter/sister to him. If you don't do it, there will be Big and widespread Fitnah on Earth!

Example:

Arab girls here care about their lineage alot. Even if the wali would be willing to marry her in another tribe, the girl herself wouldn't want to go into any other lineage than hers. If the wali does marry her, she will not be able to adjust there. This will be a mental torment for her for the rest of her life.

A pious girl brought up in wealth can or cannot adjust in poor living status. So it is not against Taqwa if a boy is denied on the basis that the daughter would not be able to live with him.

So basically it depends on every individual (the girl herself)... Okay, .

[welihiedginly]

Taliban:Salah. You read durood in Salah right?

Huh? Does it mean every sayyid on the entire earth? I know some sayyeds who are not that pious...Allahualam

[Qutlsilh]

Taliban:Salah. You read durood in Salah right?

Huh? Does it mean every sayyid on the entire earth? I know some sayyeds who are not that pious...Allahualam

Bismillah
Actually i heard family includes all the believers too in the durood. Allahu alam

[jurhoonee]

i have always wanted to know where it states in the quran that syed women are not allowed to marry outside meaning other than syed, i am confused. I was brought up to believe we aare form the family of the prophet muhammad (pbuh), can anyone tell me if this is islamic and that i must stick by these rules, any quotations would be great. I have read in the basheti zewar moulana book, that if a syed marrys a moghul or pathan it is considered as marrying someone socially lower than you. It is allowed to marry a sheikh as they are like cousins etc. Please help

At the outset we would like to mention that you will not find everything in Quran. If that was the case, then Quran would not have been an easy book to read. It would be in 200-300 volumes. Nobody could read it or memorize it. That is why, Allah sent Rasool Allah , to explain the things not found in Quran.

For example, Salah. You will not find in Quran anywhere about the 5 daily prayers.

Then the Fuqaha (jurists) who came after, they made some rules from Quran and Hadith and derived rulings from those rules.

The thing you mentioned is called KUFW (status). Fuqaha have stated that kufw is necessary in marriage to ensure that the marriage remains stable. As Shariat sees marriage as a very important matter and it is the basic building block in society, it wants to take extreme precautions that it does not become ruined. This Kufw rule is based on this. You must also note that this is purely a matter of administration. It has no effect in being better in the sight of Allah. As ALlah clearly states that the best in the sight of Allah is the one who has the most Taqwa!

This kufw thing is taken into consideration for the girl more than the man. As the girl becomes a dependant of the boy completely and she has to move to her new house, she has to face/suffer everything there. Shariat does not want her to feel even the slightest mental disturbance.

For example, Syeds have a higher lineage because they are the descendants of Rasool Allah . And it is the nature of man that he feels a little proud of this. You cannot remove it completely. So a Syed girl might feel uncomfortable with the idea of marrying a Pathan. Not because he does not have taqwa, or Allah doesn't love him but because she is Syed and he is not.

Similarly, a wealthy pious girl might feel uncomfortable in marrying a poor Taliban.

This is the only reason that Fuqaha have stated this Kufw matter to safe guard the interests of the girl!

Shaikhs are said to be the descendants of Hazrat Abu Bakr so they are our cousins.

[LorencoLoricelli]

Salah. You read durood in Salah right?

I guess you assumed I speak Urdu or I was a Pakistani/Indiani


My question still stands

If these Sayyids were more important than other Muslims (according to your post) . Why did the Prophet say this in his last sermon:

''All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.''


well?

[IvJlNwum]

Taliban:Salah. You read durood in Salah right?

Huh? Does it mean every sayyid on the entire earth? I know some sayyeds who are not that pious...Allahualam

Do you say Ya Allah send durood and Barakat on the pious aal e Rasool?

[Hujkmlopes]

I guess you assumed I speak Urdu or I was a Pakistani/Indiani


My question still stands

If these Sayyids were more important than other Muslims (according to your post) . Why did the Prophet say this in his last sermon:

''All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.''


well?

Please read my other posts

[Catieliecutty]

Bismillah
Actually i heard family includes all the believers too in the durood. Allahu alam wa'la a'li muhammad () - it means something like "of muhammad" () refering to descendent, no? It may be descendent by blood relation, and may even by spiritual relation, if am not wrong.

My knowledge is too poor, Allah knows everything.

What is your opinion maolana?

Fi amanillah

[Pypeassesty]

aoa,

are you dead sure that just because you have syed in your name then you are from the Prophet (PBUH)'s family?i can name my children 'syed' who is gonna check?my family name is ansari but none of us thinks we are from the ansar. half of us put it with our names half of us dont.

brother taliban:
- it is wrong to feel proud of your lineage as it had nothing to do with you. it was Allah (SWT) who decided where to put you. a syed girl who feels awkward in a pathan house as their daughter in law because she feels they are of lower caste should be ashamed of herself.
- durood is for the Prophet (PBUH) and his ummat. not just his family. your interpretation is very strange.

there are factors that shd be considered when choosing a family:
-mother tongue: believe it or not you will find it very hard to raise kids if both parents have diff mother tongues. but its not impossible.
-piety: you quoted the hadith. that is the basis.
-wealth: really?you dont have to be super rich you just need to have enough wealth to not come on the streets. thats the lowest rung on the ladder. any 'pious' girl will not be materialistic so to speak. are you aware of the setting behind Hazrat Ali (ra) and hazrat fatima's marriage?hence it is against taqwa to reject someone who is earning a decent living and is pious but you want your daughter to be with someone who drives a ferrari and may not know jack about basic islam. believe me this happens.
- lineage: absolute rubbish. this syed and ansari and sheikh stuff is absolutely bogus. people actually feel proud of being known by this! any practising muslim with fear of Allah will not look down upon others based on their lineage. give me proof from the Prophet (PBUH) and his companion's time. dont quote desai.
- occupation: tells you whether the income is halal or haram and whether the boy will be able to provide in the future.

when nikah becomes difficult because of self-imposed ideologies and difficulties then your society will see a rampant increase in zina and fahashi. good luck beating the syed drum when your son or daughter becomes involved in an illicit relationship because you cannot find a filthy rich syed family.

the Prophet (PBUH) destroyed all such notions of lineage and nationalism during his last sermon. which means we are not to be proud of our family, our nation, tribe etc. they are for identification and thats that.