[doxinwasido]

The Prophet sws said: "And if a man's discharge proceeded that of the woman, then the child resembles the father, and if the woman's discharge proceeded that of the man, then the child resembles the mother."

What does science say about this?

-Jas

[RorieSorNearop]

What does science say about this?

Who cares. We Muslims don't measure the blessed words of our beloved Prophet with erroneous things like science. Sadaka Rasoolullah . The Prophet speaks the truth.

[Kthzltje]

When faced with 'perceived' contradictions and mistakes in the quran and hadith, i also used to run around trying to find answers through modern science and knowledge to try and get confirmation about the content of the quran and hadith.....I now know that i was wrong and just wasted my time because i realised that everything in the quran and hadith is fact, and whenever i could not get a confirmation from modern science it was not because the quran and hadith lacked in anyway it was because science was and never will be on par with the quran and hadith. How can human knowledge and science ever come even close to the words of Allah and His Beloved Slave ? I realised that rather than checking the quran and hadith against science, i should be checking science against the quran and hadith.

A muslim is one who wholly submits himself to Allah and is at peace with his submission. Once he submits he follows the command of Allah whether he understands them or not. He accepts Allah as the All-Wise, the All-Knowing without question. There will be things that a muslim will understand, there will be things that he will never understand, there will be things that he may understand at a later time - but all these things are one and the same to a muslim who has submitted to Allah and who is at peace with his submission - neither of these things will make him sway one way or the other as he has already fully submitted himself and is at peace with his creator.

Now the answer to your question can inshallah be found here where science has finally managed to catch up a little (on this issue) with a scripture that was revealed over 1400 years ago...

By A.M. Adam of the Department of Medicine of the University of Nairobi, Kenya
His credentials: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/profiles/www/...rofADAM009.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23612134/H...99AN-AND-SUNNA

GENE PENETRANCE

In a tradition narrated by Anas, Prophet Muhammad said,
‘And if a man’s discharge preceded that of the woman,
then the child resembles the father, and if the woman’s
discharge preceded that of the man, then the child
resembles the mother.’

The implication behind this is that if spermatozoa are
lodged long before ovulation then the activation of the
male genes will be at a more advanced stage than those
in the ovum, and therefore they will play a greater role
in showing the characteristics gained from the father –
especially if these genes follow codominance (with variable
penetrance) or have complex inheritance characteristics.

[antilt]

Assalam alaikum

Essential introduction:

1. the BASE rule is that an established scientific fact can never contradict an authentic hadeeth or the Qur'an AND vice versa.

2. The realm of contradiction lies in one of the sources as NOT being established, either the scientific theory that is promoted as fact (when in reality it is a theory under a theoretical [phase) or the hadeeth is weak or is not to be understood in the tangent it was mistakenly understood.

3. conclusively- if there seems to be a contradiction, then most likely the scientific theory that is viewed as a fact in reality is not a fact, or the hadeeth has a flaw in it in terms of its chain back to the prophet, or its understanding was not reached accurately by those who accepted the hadeeth and it is estbalished as correctly attributed to the prophet (alaihi salatu salaam).

4- The Prophet (pbuh)doesn't speak from his own inclination. وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ
http://quran.com/53/3



Hadeeths touched the topic under discussion:
1- وَإِذَا سَبَقَ مَاءُ الرَّجُلِ مَاءَ الْمَرْأَةِ نَزَعَ الْوَلَدَ، وَإِذَا سَبَقَ مَاءُ الْمَرْأَةِ نَزَعَتْ
http://sunnah.com/urn/41620

2- وَأَمَّا الشَّبَهُ فِي الْوَلَدِ فَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ إِذَا غَشِيَ الْمَرْأَةَ فَسَبَقَهَا مَاؤُهُ كَانَ الشَّبَهُ لَهُ، وَإِذَا سَبَقَ مَاؤُهَا كَانَ الشَّبَهُ لَهَا ‏"
http://sunnah.com/urn/31100

3- وَهَلْ يَكُونُ الشَّبَهُ إِلاَّ مِنْ قِبَلِ ذَلِكِ إِذَا عَلاَ مَاؤُهَا مَاءَ الرَّجُلِ أَشْبَهَ الْوَلَدُ أَخْوَالَهُ وَإِذَا عَلاَ مَاءُ الرَّجُلِ مَاءَهَا أَشْبَهَ أَعْمَامَهُ ‏
http://sunnah.com/muslim/4#37

In the first 2 hadeeths the word is "Sabaqa" سبق which means
1- precede -outrun.
2- win - defeat - overpower.

In the third hadeeth the word is "alaa" علا which means:
overpower/take over/be superior.
e.g:
http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorpholo...%2823:91:17%29
Translation:

the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: Let her ask, for i resemblance happens because of it. when her water/discharge is dominant, the born child resembles his maternal uncles but if water/discharge of the man was dominant, the born child should resemble his paternal uncles."

The content of this narration is reported in other narrations as well and despite the slight difference of words, all narrations include the highlighted words.

They key words of this hadeeth are:

a- water [i.e. liquid] of women
b-water of men(semen)
c- dominance
d- resemblance

The topic of this hadeeth is about resemblance.

This narration goes along with the genetic science that resemblance of children is explained through the theory of dominance where only superior genes appear on the child. [This can be one of the interpretations and understanding...]

Water/discharge of women !
One major point that may cause all this confusion about this hadeeth and hence some people find it problemtic is because they tend to immeditaly understand the word "water of women" to mean ejaculated fluid that happens due to intimicay or arousing.

If we pay attention to the words used in this hadeeth we will find outstanding findings i.e. He صلى الله عليه وسلم used the word "water" in reference to the liquid of women and he did not specify it any further.

Well, there is no one better to explain one narration except the one who said it.

For this reason, let's know first what the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم meant with "water of women" since he did not specify it. Well, true that he did not specify it but he actually described it when he said in another narration " the water" of women is yellow and thin. So, what is that fluid that has such description?Simple, it is known that ejaculated discharges due to arousing or intimiacy are white.

The only liquid that is yellow is actually called "Follicuar Fluid" that is discharged at ovulation without being related to copulation or being aroused and it is directly related to preganacy. It comes out with a thin layer called follicle of which inside there is a small egg that supposed to combine with the men sperm during fertilization in order for a child to be created.

Finally, I would like you to understand that these narrations came in response to questions about why? and not to answer a question of how? In other words neither the questioner nor answerer [i.e. the Prophet] intended to explain the howness of this process. Rather, he wanted to explain why children sometimes resemble their fathers and some other times resemble their mothers.
This is proven and well explained in the other hadeeth when the Prophet clearly state that resemblence is a pure genetic when a woman delivered a black boy and the man doubted that his wife may have slept with another man as none of the family was black. When he explained it to the man he told him that a genetics of great grandfather may effect grand children. From this you know that it is obvious that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) acknowledged that determining the howness was left for us to discover but the hadeeth only provided us with the key, which is the answer to why this happen.

Allah knows the best !

[Eromereorybig]

Throw Science and technology in Trash Bin...
One day Science will fail & technology will fail.

There are some stupid people who give lecture about Science and Islam ...Tell to them that its Bidah, Rasool Saw didnt tell that.

But my Allah wont fail...

[DoctorDulitlBest]

Assalam alaikum

Another issue is a hadeeth related to Gender determination.

The Main Principles:

a- Quran and Sunnah must be understood according to Arabic langauge after gathering all narrations together as one narration may explain another.

b- In case a hadeeth or an Ayah is proven authentic then we find it contradicting a fact or a sensible event that is agreed on, we reconsider our understanding of the text because an authentic text cannot contradict a fact or agreed on truth.

Scientific Facts:

a. The egg is always the carrier of the X chromosome (X).

b. The spermcell of a man is the carrier of X and Y chromosomes. [i.e. It carries man and women chromosome].

c. a. Determining the gender of children depends solely on the chromosome of the spermcell of the man.

d. The combination of the "X" chromosome of the woman with the chromosome "Y" of the man creates a boy(xy). However, if the "X" chromosome of the woman combine with the chromosome "X" of the man creates a girl (xx).

e. "Y" is manly while X is womanly.

The hadeeth

" ماء الرجل أبيض وماء المرأة أصفر . فإذا اجتمعا، فعلا مني الرجل مني المرأة ، أذكرا بإذن الله . وإذا علا مني المرأة مني الرجل ، آنثا بإذن الله
قَالَ الْيَهُودِيُّ لَقَدْ صَدَقْتَ وَإِنَّكَ لَنَبِيٌّ ثُمَّ انْصَرَفَ فَذَهَبَ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ لَقَدْ سَأَلَنِي هَذَا عَنِ الَّذِي سَأَلَنِي عَنْهُ وَمَا لِي عِلْمٌ بِشَىْءٍ مِنْهُ حَتَّى أَتَانِيَ اللَّهُ بِهِ ‏"‏
http://sunnah.com/muslim/4#38

The True Translation:

The water of the man is white and the water of the woman is yellow. When they get together, if the semen of the man become above the semen of the woman, the child is male, by the permession of Allah, and if the semen of the woman becomes above the semen of the woman, the child is a female by the permession of Allah.
The Jew said: What you have said is true; verily you are an Apostle. He then returned and went away. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: He asked me about such and such things of which I have had no knowledge till Allah gave me that.

Study of the Hadeeth:

a. As we know that women has no role in deciding the gender of the child when fertilization takes place and the text appears to state something that seem to contradict this fact, we need to resort to laid down principles in order to guideline our understanding. This principle state that in such case, we reconsider our understanding to the texts. How? I will explain it in the following point.

b. It is important to pay attention to the used words in the hadeeth. The key words we would like to highlight (I will translate the words of the text litterally to explain it further).

Notes:

a- The word above here means "dominant" as this is one of the known meaning of the word "above" and has been used in Quran to mean "dominant and controlled".

b. The first half of the hadeeth referred to the man and woman liquids as "water" while in the second half he became more specific as referred to it as "semen".

c. We already know that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم mentioned in other hadeeths that the "water" of women is involved in process of fertilization. Then we realized that this water has a description that does not befit ejaculated fuilds since ejaculated fluids are white in color whereas he described the color as yellow and thin.

d. The sound understanding of this text is that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was referring in this hadeeth to the male and female chromosome of the spermcell of the man (X as the female chromosome and Y as the male chromosome). Based on this, the Prophet meant that when the male factor is dominant then it is a boy but when the female factor is domionant then it is a girl. This is what science states and this is the sound understanding that one should have beacuse the text can be understood in various ways and we know that authentic texts must be in agreement with agreed on facts.

e- He didn't know about that except what Allah told him.

what may be the cause of misunderstanding is that it is because when people "understood" it, they assumed that the word "semen " used in this hadeeth refer to man and woman' water mentioned earlier while as a matter of fact, he صلى الله عليه وسلم was referring to the semen of the man only which is always a carrier of male and female chromosomes. This is supported by the fact that the word "semen" is always exclusively for men while women liquid is always called water only.

In short, it seems according to the words and structure of what was stated, that the issue of "dominance" is purely in targeting the dominance of x chromosome (female) and y chromosomes (male), particularly because women are scientifically not classified as having "sperm"

And Allah knows the best !

[LindaSmithXV]

Throw Science and technology in Trash Bin...
One day Science will fail & technology will fail.

There are some stupid people who give lecture about Science and Islam ...Tell to them that its Bidah, Rasool Saw didnt tell that.

But my Allah wont fail...

really?

yet you are using technology to vent your opinions....how appropriate!

[Arr34ston]

There are some stupid people who give lecture about Science and Islam ...Tell to them that its Bidah, Rasool Saw didnt tell that.

This sinner is one of those fools!
@Jason
Noble Qur'an is not a book of science. It talks of the things that are supra science. You can discover science yourself - history is witness to that. Whole of science has been done by us only. Guidance is a different matter. That is the focus in the Nobel Qur'an. And if you have a look at the Hadith of pollination then you will realize that science is not the burden on beloved Prophet (PBUH). The matter ends there.

Like Scorpion, Pouring Rain and StopS you too are constantly on my mind. May Allah (SWT) make your path to Islam easy.

[Hodstcopter]

@Jason
Like Scorpion, Pouring Rain and StopS you too are constantly on my mind. May Allah (SWT) make your path to Islam easy.

Inshallah with duas, soon Abid shall transform to Aashiq of Allah

[durootrium]

Now what do you think of this.
Here's part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xix7...layer_embedded

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ4sh...layer_embedded

And he said:
""On your second point, I would challenge you to produce similar patterns in any other book. I tried this exercise on Alice in Wonderland and Romeo & Juliet. I did not find even one example of repetition of any two similar words. Not one."