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**pimbertiemoft** · 09-04-2011, 08:04 AM

Makes you wonder how hard things are in the only only country in the world with a person's name.

I guess the Arab spring wont be getting to Saudi Arabia anytime soon

Over the weekend, the Times reported that the Saudi royals had secretly agreed to allow Israel to use its airspace to carry out attacks on Iran. Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter and a close United States ally, denied the reports. The newspaper cited an anonymous US defence individual as its source. The Saudi Arabian regime has in the past provided tacit approval to Zionist actions, most recently in Israel’s ill-fated attack on Lebanon in 2006. Hence, the plausibility of such a news report.

However, it’s worth noting Iran’s reaction to the news report, arguing that Israel-US were deliberately trying to create a rift between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

It is indeed strange that such critical, sensitive military information would be allowed to be ‘revealed’ by a so-called anonymous US source. One can’t help but notice that the timing of this information ‘leak’ takes place at the same time as a new Saudi ambassador, Mohammed Ibn Abbas al-Kallabi, starts his tenure in Iran. What better way for the Israel-US to sow suspicion, embarrassment and distrust between the two Muslim countries.

At such times the powerful Saudi clerics remain predictably muted. Rather than question their royal paymaster’s continuing puppet relationship with the US, the clerics spend all their time corrupting and manipulating Islamic principals to suit their own warped interpretation of Islam.

A recent example is the clerics attempt to counter their strict regulations surrounding the segregation of unmarried women from their male colleagues and acquaintances.

Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, declared that women could avoid such segregation by providing their breast milk to these men who upon consuming it would become relatives of the women, and thus allowed to socialise with them.

It's truly shameful when learned men rather than confront the serious issues facing the Ummah, focus their energies on circumventing archaic rules that they themselves have decreed in the first place.

Read more: http://www.mpacuk.org/story/170610/s...#ixzz1WwAziS5I

**fil_nurser** · 09-04-2011, 03:13 PM

Thats a lie and has been rejected officially many times. Saudi isnt perfect just like any country, however, this is absoloutly impossible knowing the position towards Israel, and it would never happen.

However, Iranian propaganda outlets love to repeat it, yet neither you or them talk about the PROVEN business relationship between Iran and Israel. They USE Palestinian cause and other causes to promote their sectarian agenda. And cover the shame of their business relations with Israel, saying one thing on TV, yet practicing something else.

Their anti Saudi (in reality, its anti Sunni) propaganda is especially after gulf countries sent forces to protect Bahrain. They were only protecting important buildings and had no interaction with the people whatsoever, then Iran starts to lie about a "massacre" while there wasnt any interaction to begin with. The lies during that event would make one stand in awe with mouth open wide. full force Taqiyyah.

They are great at lying, I admit, and repeating lies, as its a part of their religion afterall, as 9/10 of religion to them is lying/Taqiyyah, but one of the lies was funny. They said on Iranian Al-Aalam TV that the ones killing people in Syria, are actually Saudi snipers, sent by prince Bandar Bin Sultan LOL

Prince Saud Al Faisal did mention that if any hand reaches out for Bahrain, it will be cut. They can go around and spread lies and half-truths all they want, but maybe they should start working on t he inside of Iran thats falling apart, instead of trying to create stories to avert the attention from whats going on on the inside of Iran.

Recently, a book was published about the 50 year plan of Iran, on spreading Shiasm among Sunnis, and a part of it was about creating division between the people and clerics. This is backlashing against them now, and they face a strategic loss one after the other. One trying to promore a "Saudi revolution" that didnt exist. Then the fall of their plans in Bahrain, and now in Syria and Lebanon.

Also, they have been confiscating sattalite dishes from Iranian homes, and destorying them, after Sunni channels in Farsi language were started in response to their 50+ channel propaganda machines. Its enough shame for them that their allies are no one except an anti religion government like the one of Bashar Al Assad.

Al Khumaini once said "We may have peace with Saddam one day, but Al Saud, never". They dont care about corruption at all in Saudi, what they care about is the support of the da'wah of shiekh Imam Muhammad Bin Abdulwahab, which this country was founded on, with the support of all local tribes. This drove them crazy, and made them send the group to actually set off bombs in Makkah during Hajj! Alhamdullilah they were all caught, and executed, and now Iranians call them "martyrs".

So it would make more sense to talk about the "spring" in Iran, as they jail anyone who opposed the imposter and supposed "deputy" of Imam Al Mahdi, who entered a cave more than a 1000 years ago, saying they will take his place til he comes back, and collect money on his behalf!

Other than Irans proven business relations with Israel, look at the type of people "Islamic" Iran supports, and they cut off funding to any Palestinian group that doesnt support Bashar!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT0Fzx8LiGQ

**SannyGlow** · 09-04-2011, 06:18 PM

Here we go again; Anything wrong about Saudi Arabia is Iranian propagandae, yea sure

Both Iran and Saudis hate each other. Iran may very well have a secret relationship with israel but that doesnt change teh fact that

1) Saudis indirectly supported Israel against hezbollah
They supported indirectly the Gaza blockade simply because they didnt like Hamas

Somehow their radars were switched off when the raid on an Iraqi nuclear reactor was done in 1981 by Israel

As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel, in recent years, Israel and Saudis have had near identical interests:

Dislike for Hamas and Hezbollah

Love for Hosni Mubarak (Both Saudis and Israelis wanted him to remain)

Wanting Saddam to be toppled

Its funny how Saudi Shuyookh were shooting Fatawa against protests when it was Hosni's turn but when it came to Gaddafi suddenly the Shuyookh kept quiet

Arab people protesting are evil, but NATO/US bombing Iraq and Libya is legitimate.

**Percocetti** · 09-04-2011, 06:50 PM

Here we go again; Anything wrong about Saudi Arabia is Iranian propagandae, yea sure

Both Iran and Saudis hate each other. Iran may very well have a secret relationship with israel but that doesnt change teh fact that

1) Saudis indirectly supported Israel against hezbollah
They supported indirectly the Gaza blockade simply because they didnt like Hamas

Somehow their radars were switched off when the raid on an Iraqi nuclear reactor was done in 1981 by Israel

As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel, in recent years, Israel and Saudis have had near identical interests:

Dislike for Hamas and Hezbollah

Love for Hosni Mubarak (Both Saudis and Israelis wanted him to remain)

Wanting Saddam to be toppled

Its funny how Saudi Shuyookh were shooting Fatawa against protests when it was Hosni's turn but when it came to Gaddafi suddenly the Shuyookh kept quiet

Arab people protesting are evil, but NATO/US bombing Iraq and Libya is legitimate.

The different opinions on Qadafi who was about to wipe his people out by planes bombing them is an issue that is up for discussion among all Muslims, not Saudis alone. The website he posted has a clear pro-Iran anti Saudi bias which is actually bias against Sunnis. Saudis are human and not above criticism, however, using political propaganda and holding political positions only because of sectarian reasons, this is far from constructive criticism. Its more of anti Sunni bias in reality (not anti Saudi), but giving it a political cover to make it more marketable.

Its also why I said they'd mention "half truths" for propaganda purposes.

"Game Theory" in many posts has a clear bias and defensiveness for the Rafidhi Shias of Iran, as if Iran is to be glorified, and the website he posted does as well, with articles victimizing Iran, instead of mentioning its great support of the criminal flat out anti Islam government in Syria.

Its not really about Saudi vs Iran in Iranian eyes, its Sunni/Salafi (they'd use the term "wahabi") vs Shia, period. And of course graveworshippers are always happy to join. As many Sufis have in Egypt, such as the Azmi Tariqa which is basically an iranian wing in Egypt.

Using expressions like you did "As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel", clearly shows obvious bias. Whenever you see bias like this, look for sectarian reasons behind it, and dont expect real political analysis. Thats why they always mention "scholars" Ulama.

If criticism of any Muslims is honest, constructive, and with good intentions and wanting good for the Muslims, no one can be against this, and no one is above constructive criticism.

However, its clearly not about constructive, and only a game of dirty politics with sectarian issues in the background, and as usual, graveworshippers are always happy to join Iran, because they share a lot with them. This is also why they arent discussing politics as much as they are the ulama/scholars. Politics is just a tool.

You dont see them criticizing Hasan Nasrallah for announcing being an agent, working directly for Iran, in his words. This following video, he should go to court for, for being a traitor, after the fall of the Syrian regime insha'Allah. As his statements are too ugly to ignore (let alone other ones in which he speaks with disrespect about the companions of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him). This is the shorter version of the video with English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXUxGjhHN0

**NumsAmenniams** · 09-04-2011, 10:57 PM

Wasn't this so-called "permission" allowed 1 year ago? How can the same information be allowed 2x but in different years?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06...an-nuke-sites/

**Almolfuncomma** · 09-15-2011, 10:47 PM

Wasn't this so-called "permission" allowed 1 year ago? How can the same information be allowed 2x but in different years?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06...an-nuke-sites/

well....

**kathy** · 09-15-2011, 11:11 PM

@Straightpath.

okay, talking about saudi royals... the other day i was reading a book on saudi princesses and i was appalled to read that these poor princesses are forced to marry whoever their father chooses for them to marry, even if the guy is sixty years old (which is often the case)!!! i know this is not related to the topic,,, but i'm just curious to know if this still happens in saudi or did things change since that book was printed? lol!

**b7RKli4l** · 08-08-2012, 07:48 AM

@Straightpath.

okay, talking about saudi royals... the other day i was reading a book on saudi princesses and i was appalled to read that these poor princesses are forced to marry whoever their father chooses for them to marry, even if the guy is sixty years old (which is often the case)!!! i know this is not related to the topic,,, but i'm just curious to know if this still happens in saudi or did things change since that book was printed? lol!

They are still stuck with some of the Jahiliya mentality of the age of ignorance such as not allowing other non Saudi Muslims to marry Saudis or vice versa.

to answer your question, nothing has changed in regards to that matter.

**brandiweb** · 08-08-2012, 11:55 AM

The different opinions on Qadafi who was about to wipe his people out by planes bombing them is an issue that is up for discussion among all Muslims, not Saudis alone. The website he posted has a clear pro-Iran anti Saudi bias which is actually bias against Sunnis. Saudis are human and not above criticism, however, using political propaganda and holding political positions only because of sectarian reasons, this is far from constructive criticism. Its more of anti Sunni bias in reality (not anti Saudi), but giving it a political cover to make it more marketable.

Its also why I said they'd mention "half truths" for propaganda purposes.

"Game Theory" in many posts has a clear bias and defensiveness for the Rafidhi Shias of Iran, as if Iran is to be glorified, and the website he posted does as well, with articles victimizing Iran, instead of mentioning its great support of the criminal flat out anti Islam government in Syria.

Its not really about Saudi vs Iran in Iranian eyes, its Sunni/Salafi (they'd use the term "wahabi") vs Shia, period. And of course graveworshippers are always happy to join. As many Sufis have in Egypt, such as the Azmi Tariqa which is basically an iranian wing in Egypt.

Using expressions like you did "As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel", clearly shows obvious bias. Whenever you see bias like this, look for sectarian reasons behind it, and dont expect real political analysis. Thats why they always mention "scholars" Ulama.

If criticism of any Muslims is honest, constructive, and with good intentions and wanting good for the Muslims, no one can be against this, and no one is above constructive criticism.

However, its clearly not about constructive, and only a game of dirty politics with sectarian issues in the background, and as usual, graveworshippers are always happy to join Iran, because they share a lot with them. This is also why they arent discussing politics as much as they are the ulama/scholars. Politics is just a tool.

You dont see them criticizing Hasan Nasrallah for announcing being an agent, working directly for Iran, in his words. This following video, he should go to court for, for being a traitor, after the fall of the Syrian regime insha'Allah. As his statements are too ugly to ignore (let alone other ones in which he speaks with disrespect about the companions of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him). This is the shorter version of the video with English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXUxGjhHN0

Ameen

**Ndptbudd** · 08-08-2012, 11:56 AM

@Straightpath.

okay, talking about saudi royals... the other day i was reading a book on saudi princesses and i was appalled to read that these poor princesses are forced to marry whoever their father chooses for them to marry, even if the guy is sixty years old (which is often the case)!!! i know this is not related to the topic,,, but i'm just curious to know if this still happens in saudi or did things change since that book was printed? lol!

book published and written by the Zionist western publishing industry by any chance?

**ManHolDenPoker** · 08-08-2012, 12:02 PM

Makes you wonder how hard things are in the only only country in the world with a person's name.

I guess the Arab spring wont be getting to Saudi Arabia anytime soon

Your source MPACK UK are a loose cannon which has shot the Muslims of Britain in the foot more than once.

Only a few years ago they sent a bunch of loudmouth young women with no hayya and no respect for Muslim elders round different Masjids in the country where there is no sisters room with the BBC filming it - they tried to push in these Masjids and caused all sorts of trouble - making the British Hanafis look like they were sexist.

they never mentioned the fact that most of the Masjids that they went to simply had not got space to cater to both sexes nor the funds to expand. they succeeded in helping confirm all sorts of negative stereotypes that people here have about Muslims.

**lalpphilalk** · 08-08-2012, 12:22 PM

This mwinyi guy looks a lot alike to "game theory" and bumping many threads started by him.

Mods might want to check his IP...

**KneefeZes** · 08-08-2012, 07:57 PM

to answer your question, nothing has changed in regards to that matter.

Somehow i find this a bit difficult 2 believe. If these were my grannies day's where woman never knew their islaamic rights and just did what they were told to, it's different.
But i can't understand how a woman, princess or not, can be forced into marriage now. If they woman says: No, i'm NOT interested.
NOTHING can be done right?

About the book. Its by a saudi princess but compiled by Jean Sasson. Here's more on it.....

http://www.amazon.com/Princess-Story.../dp/0967673747

**AgJ5mNXM** · 08-08-2012, 08:36 PM

The hate for saudis is so strong in here

I wonder why

**xqdrocherz** · 08-09-2012, 04:54 AM

The hate for saudis is so strong in here

I wonder why

I don't think that is really correct.

09-04-2011, 08:04 AM	#1
pimbertiemoft Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 494 Senior Member	Saudi Royals and Clerics – The Unholy Alliance Makes you wonder how hard things are in the only only country in the world with a person's name. I guess the Arab spring wont be getting to Saudi Arabia anytime soon Over the weekend, the Times reported that the Saudi royals had secretly agreed to allow Israel to use its airspace to carry out attacks on Iran. Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter and a close United States ally, denied the reports. The newspaper cited an anonymous US defence individual as its source. The Saudi Arabian regime has in the past provided tacit approval to Zionist actions, most recently in Israel’s ill-fated attack on Lebanon in 2006. Hence, the plausibility of such a news report. However, it’s worth noting Iran’s reaction to the news report, arguing that Israel-US were deliberately trying to create a rift between Iran and Saudi Arabia. It is indeed strange that such critical, sensitive military information would be allowed to be ‘revealed’ by a so-called anonymous US source. One can’t help but notice that the timing of this information ‘leak’ takes place at the same time as a new Saudi ambassador, Mohammed Ibn Abbas al-Kallabi, starts his tenure in Iran. What better way for the Israel-US to sow suspicion, embarrassment and distrust between the two Muslim countries. At such times the powerful Saudi clerics remain predictably muted. Rather than question their royal paymaster’s continuing puppet relationship with the US, the clerics spend all their time corrupting and manipulating Islamic principals to suit their own warped interpretation of Islam. A recent example is the clerics attempt to counter their strict regulations surrounding the segregation of unmarried women from their male colleagues and acquaintances. Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, declared that women could avoid such segregation by providing their breast milk to these men who upon consuming it would become relatives of the women, and thus allowed to socialise with them. It's truly shameful when learned men rather than confront the serious issues facing the Ummah, focus their energies on circumventing archaic rules that they themselves have decreed in the first place. Read more: http://www.mpacuk.org/story/170610/s...#ixzz1WwAziS5I Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-04-2011, 03:13 PM	#2
fil_nurser Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 401 Senior Member	Thats a lie and has been rejected officially many times. Saudi isnt perfect just like any country, however, this is absoloutly impossible knowing the position towards Israel, and it would never happen. However, Iranian propaganda outlets love to repeat it, yet neither you or them talk about the PROVEN business relationship between Iran and Israel. They USE Palestinian cause and other causes to promote their sectarian agenda. And cover the shame of their business relations with Israel, saying one thing on TV, yet practicing something else. Their anti Saudi (in reality, its anti Sunni) propaganda is especially after gulf countries sent forces to protect Bahrain. They were only protecting important buildings and had no interaction with the people whatsoever, then Iran starts to lie about a "massacre" while there wasnt any interaction to begin with. The lies during that event would make one stand in awe with mouth open wide. full force Taqiyyah. They are great at lying, I admit, and repeating lies, as its a part of their religion afterall, as 9/10 of religion to them is lying/Taqiyyah, but one of the lies was funny. They said on Iranian Al-Aalam TV that the ones killing people in Syria, are actually Saudi snipers, sent by prince Bandar Bin Sultan LOL Prince Saud Al Faisal did mention that if any hand reaches out for Bahrain, it will be cut. They can go around and spread lies and half-truths all they want, but maybe they should start working on t he inside of Iran thats falling apart, instead of trying to create stories to avert the attention from whats going on on the inside of Iran. Recently, a book was published about the 50 year plan of Iran, on spreading Shiasm among Sunnis, and a part of it was about creating division between the people and clerics. This is backlashing against them now, and they face a strategic loss one after the other. One trying to promore a "Saudi revolution" that didnt exist. Then the fall of their plans in Bahrain, and now in Syria and Lebanon. Also, they have been confiscating sattalite dishes from Iranian homes, and destorying them, after Sunni channels in Farsi language were started in response to their 50+ channel propaganda machines. Its enough shame for them that their allies are no one except an anti religion government like the one of Bashar Al Assad. Al Khumaini once said "We may have peace with Saddam one day, but Al Saud, never". They dont care about corruption at all in Saudi, what they care about is the support of the da'wah of shiekh Imam Muhammad Bin Abdulwahab, which this country was founded on, with the support of all local tribes. This drove them crazy, and made them send the group to actually set off bombs in Makkah during Hajj! Alhamdullilah they were all caught, and executed, and now Iranians call them "martyrs". So it would make more sense to talk about the "spring" in Iran, as they jail anyone who opposed the imposter and supposed "deputy" of Imam Al Mahdi, who entered a cave more than a 1000 years ago, saying they will take his place til he comes back, and collect money on his behalf! Other than Irans proven business relations with Israel, look at the type of people "Islamic" Iran supports, and they cut off funding to any Palestinian group that doesnt support Bashar! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT0Fzx8LiGQ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-04-2011, 06:18 PM	#3
SannyGlow Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 598 Senior Member	Here we go again; Anything wrong about Saudi Arabia is Iranian propagandae, yea sure Both Iran and Saudis hate each other. Iran may very well have a secret relationship with israel but that doesnt change teh fact that 1) Saudis indirectly supported Israel against hezbollah They supported indirectly the Gaza blockade simply because they didnt like Hamas Somehow their radars were switched off when the raid on an Iraqi nuclear reactor was done in 1981 by Israel As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel, in recent years, Israel and Saudis have had near identical interests: Dislike for Hamas and Hezbollah Love for Hosni Mubarak (Both Saudis and Israelis wanted him to remain) Wanting Saddam to be toppled Its funny how Saudi Shuyookh were shooting Fatawa against protests when it was Hosni's turn but when it came to Gaddafi suddenly the Shuyookh kept quiet Arab people protesting are evil, but NATO/US bombing Iraq and Libya is legitimate. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-04-2011, 06:50 PM	#4
Percocetti Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	Here we go again; Anything wrong about Saudi Arabia is Iranian propagandae, yea sure Both Iran and Saudis hate each other. Iran may very well have a secret relationship with israel but that doesnt change teh fact that 1) Saudis indirectly supported Israel against hezbollah They supported indirectly the Gaza blockade simply because they didnt like Hamas Somehow their radars were switched off when the raid on an Iraqi nuclear reactor was done in 1981 by Israel As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel, in recent years, Israel and Saudis have had near identical interests: Dislike for Hamas and Hezbollah Love for Hosni Mubarak (Both Saudis and Israelis wanted him to remain) Wanting Saddam to be toppled Its funny how Saudi Shuyookh were shooting Fatawa against protests when it was Hosni's turn but when it came to Gaddafi suddenly the Shuyookh kept quiet Arab people protesting are evil, but NATO/US bombing Iraq and Libya is legitimate. The different opinions on Qadafi who was about to wipe his people out by planes bombing them is an issue that is up for discussion among all Muslims, not Saudis alone. The website he posted has a clear pro-Iran anti Saudi bias which is actually bias against Sunnis. Saudis are human and not above criticism, however, using political propaganda and holding political positions only because of sectarian reasons, this is far from constructive criticism. Its more of anti Sunni bias in reality (not anti Saudi), but giving it a political cover to make it more marketable. Its also why I said they'd mention "half truths" for propaganda purposes. "Game Theory" in many posts has a clear bias and defensiveness for the Rafidhi Shias of Iran, as if Iran is to be glorified, and the website he posted does as well, with articles victimizing Iran, instead of mentioning its great support of the criminal flat out anti Islam government in Syria. Its not really about Saudi vs Iran in Iranian eyes, its Sunni/Salafi (they'd use the term "wahabi") vs Shia, period. And of course graveworshippers are always happy to join. As many Sufis have in Egypt, such as the Azmi Tariqa which is basically an iranian wing in Egypt. Using expressions like you did "As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel", clearly shows obvious bias. Whenever you see bias like this, look for sectarian reasons behind it, and dont expect real political analysis. Thats why they always mention "scholars" Ulama. If criticism of any Muslims is honest, constructive, and with good intentions and wanting good for the Muslims, no one can be against this, and no one is above constructive criticism. However, its clearly not about constructive, and only a game of dirty politics with sectarian issues in the background, and as usual, graveworshippers are always happy to join Iran, because they share a lot with them. This is also why they arent discussing politics as much as they are the ulama/scholars. Politics is just a tool. You dont see them criticizing Hasan Nasrallah for announcing being an agent, working directly for Iran, in his words. This following video, he should go to court for, for being a traitor, after the fall of the Syrian regime insha'Allah. As his statements are too ugly to ignore (let alone other ones in which he speaks with disrespect about the companions of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him). This is the shorter version of the video with English subtitles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXUxGjhHN0 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-04-2011, 10:57 PM	#5
NumsAmenniams Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 532 Senior Member	Wasn't this so-called "permission" allowed 1 year ago? How can the same information be allowed 2x but in different years? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06...an-nuke-sites/ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-15-2011, 10:47 PM	#6
Almolfuncomma Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 590 Senior Member	Wasn't this so-called "permission" allowed 1 year ago? How can the same information be allowed 2x but in different years? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06...an-nuke-sites/ well.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-15-2011, 11:11 PM	#7
kathy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	@Straightpath. okay, talking about saudi royals... the other day i was reading a book on saudi princesses and i was appalled to read that these poor princesses are forced to marry whoever their father chooses for them to marry, even if the guy is sixty years old (which is often the case)!!! i know this is not related to the topic,,, but i'm just curious to know if this still happens in saudi or did things change since that book was printed? lol! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-08-2012, 07:48 AM	#8
b7RKli4l Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 487 Senior Member	@Straightpath. okay, talking about saudi royals... the other day i was reading a book on saudi princesses and i was appalled to read that these poor princesses are forced to marry whoever their father chooses for them to marry, even if the guy is sixty years old (which is often the case)!!! i know this is not related to the topic,,, but i'm just curious to know if this still happens in saudi or did things change since that book was printed? lol! They are still stuck with some of the Jahiliya mentality of the age of ignorance such as not allowing other non Saudi Muslims to marry Saudis or vice versa. to answer your question, nothing has changed in regards to that matter. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-08-2012, 11:55 AM	#9
brandiweb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	The different opinions on Qadafi who was about to wipe his people out by planes bombing them is an issue that is up for discussion among all Muslims, not Saudis alone. The website he posted has a clear pro-Iran anti Saudi bias which is actually bias against Sunnis. Saudis are human and not above criticism, however, using political propaganda and holding political positions only because of sectarian reasons, this is far from constructive criticism. Its more of anti Sunni bias in reality (not anti Saudi), but giving it a political cover to make it more marketable. Its also why I said they'd mention "half truths" for propaganda purposes. "Game Theory" in many posts has a clear bias and defensiveness for the Rafidhi Shias of Iran, as if Iran is to be glorified, and the website he posted does as well, with articles victimizing Iran, instead of mentioning its great support of the criminal flat out anti Islam government in Syria. Its not really about Saudi vs Iran in Iranian eyes, its Sunni/Salafi (they'd use the term "wahabi") vs Shia, period. And of course graveworshippers are always happy to join. As many Sufis have in Egypt, such as the Azmi Tariqa which is basically an iranian wing in Egypt. Using expressions like you did "As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel", clearly shows obvious bias. Whenever you see bias like this, look for sectarian reasons behind it, and dont expect real political analysis. Thats why they always mention "scholars" Ulama. If criticism of any Muslims is honest, constructive, and with good intentions and wanting good for the Muslims, no one can be against this, and no one is above constructive criticism. However, its clearly not about constructive, and only a game of dirty politics with sectarian issues in the background, and as usual, graveworshippers are always happy to join Iran, because they share a lot with them. This is also why they arent discussing politics as much as they are the ulama/scholars. Politics is just a tool. You dont see them criticizing Hasan Nasrallah for announcing being an agent, working directly for Iran, in his words. This following video, he should go to court for, for being a traitor, after the fall of the Syrian regime insha'Allah. As his statements are too ugly to ignore (let alone other ones in which he speaks with disrespect about the companions of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him). This is the shorter version of the video with English subtitles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXUxGjhHN0 Ameen Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-08-2012, 11:56 AM	#10
Ndptbudd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 536 Senior Member	@Straightpath. okay, talking about saudi royals... the other day i was reading a book on saudi princesses and i was appalled to read that these poor princesses are forced to marry whoever their father chooses for them to marry, even if the guy is sixty years old (which is often the case)!!! i know this is not related to the topic,,, but i'm just curious to know if this still happens in saudi or did things change since that book was printed? lol! book published and written by the Zionist western publishing industry by any chance? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-08-2012, 12:02 PM	#11
ManHolDenPoker Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	Makes you wonder how hard things are in the only only country in the world with a person's name. I guess the Arab spring wont be getting to Saudi Arabia anytime soon Your source MPACK UK are a loose cannon which has shot the Muslims of Britain in the foot more than once. Only a few years ago they sent a bunch of loudmouth young women with no hayya and no respect for Muslim elders round different Masjids in the country where there is no sisters room with the BBC filming it - they tried to push in these Masjids and caused all sorts of trouble - making the British Hanafis look like they were sexist. they never mentioned the fact that most of the Masjids that they went to simply had not got space to cater to both sexes nor the funds to expand. they succeeded in helping confirm all sorts of negative stereotypes that people here have about Muslims. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-08-2012, 12:22 PM	#12
lalpphilalk Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	This mwinyi guy looks a lot alike to "game theory" and bumping many threads started by him. Mods might want to check his IP... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-08-2012, 07:57 PM	#13
KneefeZes Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	to answer your question, nothing has changed in regards to that matter. Somehow i find this a bit difficult 2 believe. If these were my grannies day's where woman never knew their islaamic rights and just did what they were told to, it's different. But i can't understand how a woman, princess or not, can be forced into marriage now. If they woman says: No, i'm NOT interested. NOTHING can be done right? About the book. Its by a saudi princess but compiled by Jean Sasson. Here's more on it..... http://www.amazon.com/Princess-Story.../dp/0967673747 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-08-2012, 08:36 PM	#14
AgJ5mNXM Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 339 Senior Member	The hate for saudis is so strong in here I wonder why Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-09-2012, 04:54 AM	#15
xqdrocherz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 377 Senior Member	The hate for saudis is so strong in here I wonder why I don't think that is really correct. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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