[Oberjej]

What are your thoughts about them?

[Romarionsion]

What are your thoughts about them?

Years ago I was banned after a week joining them...I was banned because I was allegedly being racist against jews.

[QXCharles]

annoying

[MadMark]

What are your thoughts about them?

Thoughts about who mate?

[orbidewa]

They are good bunch of brothers but frustrated with status of quo. Their heart is in the right place but are confrontational. I agree with them in many things and have every right to target the gujrati mutuwallis who thinks they are living in surat and bharuch in UK. I however disagree with their method.
I found them lacking in historical knowledge of religion and seems to be impressed by Abu ideology. A lot of people support them but don't support their aggressive attitude.

Sometimes offence is the best option

the enemy doesnt play fair so why should Muslims?

[Dndjzirw]

Sometimes offence is the best option

the enemy doesnt play fair so why should Muslims?

Because the enemy does not follow sharia but the Muslims have to. We have guidance whereas they do not

[Xcqjwarl]

i havnt seen them being harsh against oppressors..ive only seen them being harsh against other Muslims and ulemah

[RSAccountssy]

Because the enemy does not follow sharia but the Muslims have to. We have guidance whereas they do not

In the theatre of war you cant fight a 21st century war with a 7th century mindset

[nebrarlepleme]

In the theatre of war you cant fight a 21st century war with a 7th century mindset

Make tawbah because the sharia is valid for all time. Weapons can be updated, new strategies can be learnt BUT the laws of sharia are binding until the end of time! So we, the Muslims, cannot say 'the kuffar are unfair, we should be too' for we are bound to follow what the sharia orders and in this is success and in other than this is nothing but failure

[katespepach]

Deen demands that to hold oneself accountable even if it is against oneself. People don't have to stoop low or be crass to win battle. Real war is won eventually with a clear sincere minds, far removed from the telly tubby back handed tactics of the oppressor.

[spklnraz]

this discussion has a lot of generalities without any specifics or examples so not sure exactly what is meant by fighting a 21st century war like 7th century or having to stick to shariah etc. If specific examples are given then we can know exactly what everyone means inshAllah. Definitely muslims are allowed to do things now which we wouldnt be able to do if we had a fully functioning islamic state. in cases of life and death, necessity becomes permissable even if its haraam. given that our current political situation is that we've been totally overpowered and masses of muslims are dying, this is definitely a case of necessity. wallahu a'lam.

regarding mpacuk, like all groups they have some good and bad things, but we need to focus on working with with those we agree with the most in doing good rather than sitting around complaining about those we dont like. i know lots of people here like tablighees and deoband so strive for those two groups inshallah and let others try their own approach.

mpacuk support voting in each area based on what benefits islam and i agree with this. they are good with pragmatic political action and inshallah we can cooperate with them in that. also convincing muslims to vote is a good thing.

they may have some errors though, i dont know enough about them as of yet

[tobia]

Make tawbah because the sharia is valid for all time. Weapons can be updated, new strategies can be learnt BUT the laws of sharia are binding until the end of time! So we, the Muslims, cannot say 'the kuffar are unfair, we should be too' for we are bound to follow what the sharia orders and in this is success and in other than this is nothing but failure

I never said anything against Sharia

my point is sometimes you have to think outside the box to win a war. sometimes conventional means dont work thats why you need to conduct an asymmetrical warfare

we need to first de-construct the minds of our people so they should know who they are first then we can move on to other means such as education and so on

The ratio of Quranic verses concerned with affairs of society compared to those concerned with ritual worship is greater than 100:1
This means that today we practise 1% of our faith whilst ignoring 99% of it.

And that's what your colonial masters want from you, to drown yourself in that 1% of your faith whilst turning a blind eye from the rest of the suffering Ummah.

[Annyllop21]

whats their problem with deobandi ullama? the few ive met are very rude and diss ritual muslims, those who emphasize on salat and dua over politics. Not a nice experience. Not to mention they have/had a Quranist running their page who didnt miss a chance to ridicule ritualistic muslims. This isnt a generalization just sharing my experience.

[dremucha]

I never said anything against Sharia

my point is sometimes you have to think outside the box to win a war. sometimes conventional means dont work thats why you need to conduct an asymmetrical warfare

we need to first de-construct the minds of our people so they should know who they are first then we can move on to other means such as education and so on

The ratio of Quranic verses concerned with affairs of society compared to those concerned with ritual worship is greater than 100:1
This means that today we practise 1% of our faith whilst ignoring 99% of it.

And that's what your colonial masters want from you, to drown yourself in that 1% of your faith whilst turning a blind eye from the rest of the suffering Ummah.

perhaps specifics on what exactly you mean by unconventional might be appropriate as people may getthe wrong end of teh stick and think you mean do something unislamic

[meteeratymn]

whats their problem with deobandi ullama? the few ive met are very rude and diss ritual muslims, those who emphasize on salat and dua over politics. Not a nice experience. Not to mention they have/had a Quranist running their page who didnt miss a chance to ridicule ritualistic muslims. This isnt a generalization just sharing my experience.

The problem I have is with the ones who are aware of and debate with every group possible, know every scholar possible, have had an ‘Islamic’ education, can quote different stories of our Islamic history, but are still more apathetic than a plank of wood when it comes to the suffering of the Ummah.

Ever wonder why Sayidna Bilal bin Rabah never stayed in Makkah just to get the 100,000 rewards per prayer? He went on to spread deen far away and he eventually died in Damascus.

[JeremyIV]

perhaps specifics on what exactly you mean by unconventional might be appropriate as people may getthe wrong end of teh stick and think you mean do something unislamic

which I verified in my post.

[bumxumer]

i havnt seen them being harsh against oppressors..ive only seen them being harsh against other Muslims and ulemah

yes thats the impression I have of them too

I don't want to throw stones but some of them seem to behave like stupid big heads

they need to get a foundation of guidance from real scholars,

which from their behaviour I am assuming that they don't have as a group at the moment.



I am not speaking for all of them, just for the ones I have seen doing silly things in the past.

[unishisse]

whats their problem with deobandi ullama? the few ive met are very rude and diss ritual muslims, those who emphasize on salat and dua over politics. Not a nice experience. Not to mention they have/had a Quranist running their page who didnt miss a chance to ridicule ritualistic muslims. This isnt a generalization just sharing my experience.

Same issues I had in discussing on twitter with one of them.
Then I made a search and saw they united with kuffar against that old project of building a "tablighi mosque" in London.
And some time before I happened to see a few pictures of an "event" of theirs with sisters with no hijab and brothers barely looking as Muslims discussing around a table and then enjoying their time all together (no purda at all) in some fast food.
So I put all the pieces together. Big words about politics - little Din in their own life.

[cl004]

this discussion has a lot of generalities without any specifics or examples so not sure exactly what is meant by fighting a 21st century war like 7th century or having to stick to shariah etc. If specific examples are given then we can know exactly what everyone means inshAllah. Definitely muslims are allowed to do things now which we wouldnt be able to do if we had a fully functioning islamic state. in cases of life and death, necessity becomes permissable even if its haraam. given that our current political situation is that we've been totally overpowered and masses of muslims are dying, this is definitely a case of necessity. wallahu a'lam.

regarding mpacuk, like all groups they have some good and bad things, but we need to focus on working with with those we agree with the most in doing good rather than sitting around complaining about those we dont like. i know lots of people here like tablighees and deoband so strive for those two groups inshallah and let others try their own approach.

mpacuk support voting in each area based on what benefits islam and i agree with this. they are good with pragmatic political action and inshallah we can cooperate with them in that. also convincing muslims to vote is a good thing.

they may have some errors though, i dont know enough about them as of yet

I intially had good opinion of them bu after their documentary they made on channel 4 called women only jihad, they showed they were a disgraeful group and very ignorant about deen, the following documentary they made shows what kind of people they are.........http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...xBFaMhGTAKyVDQ

[picinaRefadia]

I intially had good opinion of them bu after their documentary they made on channel 4 called women only jihad, they showed they were a disgraeful group and very ignorant about deen, the following documentary they made shows what kind of people they are.........http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...xBFaMhGTAKyVDQ

Involving media and kuffar to gain visibility and take them on one's side against other Muslims is one of the most stupid, disloyal and idiotic things a "Muslim group" can do.