[Markdogas]

This is because of Self-denial + inferiority complex combined + Love of the west + hatred of muslim countries.

1) You'll never hear anyone complaining about US or UK because they love them from the depth of their hearts. They love those countries because it's giving them great easy life. They'll never say anything against them. + love of the west.

2) They have severe inferiority complexes + hatred of muslim countries thats why you will never see them appreciating any good. You'll see them jumping at any chance to slander and insult muslim countries.

Thats enough for now.

This reminds me of a story. I met a South African uncle two years ago in Haram. As we were walking outside, he started cursing the Saudi govt for allowing a hindu (Oberoi hotel) build a hotel here. He was cursing and cursing.... So I asked him, where are you staying? He said, in Oberoi! I said to him, so why are you staying in the hindu hotel? He didn't answer and said I have to go!

[MFSSCW2c]

Wrong is wrong ofcourse but this Wrong should be proven from Shariat and yes then we can discuss it.

No one ever said it's Shirk! Now this is extremism to blame someone for something they've not even done!

Salaam's.

Well first of all I was not referring to you in my above post, apologies if that is how it came across.

As for the shirk, I have come across stuff where the Salaafis justify the demolition of holy sites as a way of Preventing people from commiting shirk at these places.

[spaxiaroorbes]

Salaam's.

Well first of all I was not referring to you in my above post, apologies if that is how it came across.

Why would you be sorry? I took no offence and it wasn't personal.

As for the shirk, I have come across stuff where the Salaafis justify the demolition of holy sites as a way of Preventing people from commiting shirk at these places. Actually according to theory, they do have a point. They don't say it's shirk but they say that there is RISK of SHIRK.

Just like Hazrat Umar cut the tree of Bayt e Ridhwan.

[Trebbinsa]

Why would you be sorry? I took no offence and it wasn't personal.



Actually according to theory, they do have a point. They don't say it's shirk but they say that there is RISK of SHIRK.

Just like Hazrat Umar cut the tree of Bayt e Ridhwan.

Salaam's.

Well thats true, perhaps there could be a way of preventing shirk and preserving historical sites? anyways this issue has been detailed discussion previously on this Sunniforum thread >>>>.........http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...scr9ZQ&cad=rja

[Zaxsdcxs]

Bismillah
Actually i read somewhere before that it is a false news that the grave of our beloved mother Khadija RA was turned into toilet.
Sometimes people spread false news out of blind hatred without even verifying properly but Allahu alam as far as the news is concerned.

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[juyrett]

Salaam's.

Well thats true, perhaps there could be a way of preventing shirk and preserving historical sites? anyways this issue has been detailed discussion previously on this Sunniforum thread >>>>.........http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...scr9ZQ&cad=rja

shame umar radiyallahu anhu never thought of it then.

Can someone explain to me why some of you hate saudi so much.

Also some answers to my questions regarding how you think saudi compares to other lands would be great inshAllah

[KLhdfskja]

its funny taht people attack saudi so much. More threads about saudi than the rest of the muslim countires combined. Do you all hate saudi more than the likes of assad, the corrupt rulers in places like krgystan and tajikstan, the likes of the shia in iran, and teh list goes on. I believe there is a very good reason why people attack saudi more than countries where your young girls cannot even wear the hijab in schools and you cannot even pray the fajr prayer. People here are so blinded by their hatred for "wahhabis" that it supercedes anything else.

Do you all really believe that saudi is worse than the other muslim lands? Out of uniterest, where do you believe saudi is in the league table of muslim lands? Anyone who says its less than the top 10 is out of your minds, there is no country more islamic than saudi that I have seen and if they do exist then they are very few in number. Such injustice

interesting...

[GroosteFoessy]

I am hopeful of the turkish pm. However, is it correct to appreciate a country where women cannot wear hijabs, atheism, secularism and practices and beliefs taht will put the barelwis to shame, we are going to compare that with a country where at least SOME aspects of the shariah are practiced, circles of knowledge are common, scholars are recognised and respected by the government, hijabs and niqabs and hudood etc are common place, I really dont think its fair to compare the two places in all honesty.

I dont believe that any country is more islamic than saudi, and as I said before, if you can find one, let me know inshAllah. The average person in saudi prays 5 times a day, how many countries can say that?

[Grizli]

I am hopeful of the turkish pm. However, is it correct to appreciate a country where women cannot wear hijabs, atheism, secularism and practices and beliefs taht will put the barelwis to shame, we are going to compare that with a country where at least SOME aspects of the shariah are practiced, circles of knowledge are common, scholars are recognised and respected by the government, hijabs and niqabs and hudood etc are common place, I really dont think its fair to compare the two places in all honesty.

I dont believe that any country is more islamic than saudi, and as I said before, if you can find one, let me know inshAllah. The average person in saudi prays 5 times a day, how many countries can say that?

really?

so what does the Islamic Saudi laws say when a Muslim non Saudi wants to marry a Saudi Woman?

[gogFloark]

really?

so what does the Islamic Saudi laws say when a Muslim non Saudi wants to marry a Saudi Woman?

I didnt say saudi was perfect, and Im not going to defend everything they do, and nor will I be surprised if you can pull out issues with them, but you didnt answer my point. I didnt say "Saudi is perfect and have no mistakes" I said "I dont believe there is a country more islamic than saudi". BIG difference.

I can sit here all day and list SERIOUS errors in all muslim countries and how they are run and the condition of teh populations, I wont because I dont see a benefit but my point still stands, saudi may not be perfect but they are a lot better than any other country at present which is why I find it strange that saudi is criticised more than any other muslim land. They are attacked for their connection with shariah by non muslims and the non salafis jump on the bandwagon, not realising that if we dont stand behind saudi and the west get their way and turn it into a land similar to the other muslim lands, you are goign to see a whole lot of worse things. People are moaning about KFC. WHO ARE YOU TO MAKE THIS HARAAM? Making things haraam with no evidence is from the characteristics of the mushrikoon:

And according to their pretending, they say that such and such cattle and crops are forbidden, and none should eat of them except those whom we allow. And (they say) there are cattle forbidden to be used for burden or any other work, and cattle on which (at slaughtering) the Name of Allâh is not pronounced; lying against Him (Allâh). He will recompense them for what they used to fabricate. (Al-An'am 6:138)


In iran, they commit the most hideous shirk, prostitution is legal, in pakistan you have fortune tellers, the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam said "if you go to a fortune teller and you dont believe in it, your salaah is invalid for 40days, if you do believe in it then you disbelived in the religion of muhammad", also in pakistan you will literally seeing people making sajdah to graves, you will see people not praying because they gave money to someone to pray their salaah for them, how many muslim lands can you not even wear teh hijab or niqab or pray fajr in the masjid?

And yet all we see is attack after attack after attack on saudi. while your tongues are completely safe from the rest of the ummah which is in a far worse state than saudi.

We should be supporting saudi and sending amessage to teh kuffar that their so called liberal secularism is not welcome in our holy land, instead you only apply more pressur eon saudi by spreading hate against them and constantly attacking them while freeing the kuffar and corrupt muslim lands from your tongues.

Its blindlingly obvious that you have let your hate for "wahhabis" over take all sense of justice, love for the ummah, rational thinking, or anything else that should lead you to defend saudi rather than constantly attacking them

[Kimaamighed]

I didnt say saudi was perfect, and Im not going to defend everything they do, and nor will I be surprised if you can pull out issues with them, but you didnt answer my point. I didnt say "Saudi is perfect and have no mistakes" I said "I dont believe there is a country more islamic than saudi". BIG difference.

I can sit here all day and list SERIOUS errors in all muslim countries and how they are run and the condition of teh populations, I wont because I dont see a benefit but my point still stands, saudi may not be perfect but they are a lot better than any other country at present which is why I find it strange that saudi is criticised more than any other muslim land. They are attacked for their connection with shariah by non muslims and the non salafis jump on the bandwagon, not realising that if we dont stand behind saudi and the west get their way and turn it into a land similar to the other muslim lands, you are goign to see a whole lot of worse things. People are moaning about KFC. WHO ARE YOU TO MAKE THIS HARAAM? Making things haraam with no evidence is from the characteristics of the mushrikoon:

And according to their pretending, they say that such and such cattle and crops are forbidden, and none should eat of them except those whom we allow. And (they say) there are cattle forbidden to be used for burden or any other work, and cattle on which (at slaughtering) the Name of Allâh is not pronounced; lying against Him (Allâh). He will recompense them for what they used to fabricate. (Al-An'am 6:138)


In iran, they commit the most hideous shirk, prostitution is legal, in pakistan you have fortune tellers, the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam said "if you go to a fortune teller and you dont believe in it, your salaah is invalid for 40days, if you do believe in it then you disbelived in the religion of muhammad", also in pakistan you will literally seeing people making sajdah to graves, you will see people not praying because they gave money to someone to pray their salaah for them, how many muslim lands can you not even wear teh hijab or niqab or pray fajr in the masjid?

And yet all we see is attack after attack after attack on saudi. while your tongues are completely safe from the rest of the ummah which is in a far worse state than saudi.

We should be supporting saudi and sending amessage to teh kuffar that their so called liberal secularism is not welcome in our holy land, instead you only apply more pressur eon saudi by spreading hate against them and constantly attacking them while freeing the kuffar and corrupt muslim lands from your tongues.

Its blindlingly obvious that you have let your hate for "wahhabis" over take all sense of justice, love for the ummah, rational thinking, or anything else that should lead you to defend saudi rather than constantly attacking them

would you kindly substantiate your claim to the above statement? HATE WAHABBIS?

[extessarere]

would you kindly substantiate your claim to the above statement? HATE WAHABBIS?

Would you kindly make a reference to the remaining parts of is post?

[unsamiSlini]

just because a person starts a thread about one thing, does not mean that he does not care about anything else. just because the OP started a thread about a toilet being built on the house of Hazrat Khadija (rd), it does not mean he does not care about the other tenets of islam. and even if he doesnt care about the other tenets of islam, why change the subject of the thread and start attacking the OP for something else? this is very strange behaviour on our part and i am guilty of this too.

[zoppereurvito]

It was Hadrath Abdullah ibn Umar who made a comment as changes started to occur to Madina and how he would have wanted the homes of the Sahabah preserved so that people could see the simple lives that they lived.

So the preservation of the surrounding homes would have served a distinctive purpose.

Not all that the Saudi Government is doing is out of a bad intention or the need to grow and expand for the sake of expanding. There are some practical uses. Have you tried to go for Salaah from Misfala to the Haram at peak times during Hajj? What if you are elderly and need to go frequent to the toilet, or diabetic and need to get to your hotel quickly?

[wooclosmercob]

Would you kindly make a reference to the remaining parts of is post?

Asalaam Aleykum

Would you kindly elaborate your above statement.

I've not understood what you are trying to say

[b91ZmxzX]

just because a person starts a thread about one thing, does not mean that he does not care about anything else. just because the OP started a thread about a toilet being built on the house of Hazrat Khadija (rd), it does not mean he does not care about the other tenets of islam. and even if he doesnt care about the other tenets of islam, why change the subject of the thread and start attacking the OP for something else? this is very strange behaviour on our part and i am guilty of this too.

Agreed. Not sure why people go on a tangent onto other matters and an not compose themselves. The OP has a valid objection and opinion as far as this issue is concerned.

[soydaykam]

just because a person starts a thread about one thing, does not mean that he does not care about anything else. just because the OP started a thread about a toilet being built on the house of Hazrat Khadija (rd), it does not mean he does not care about the other tenets of islam. and even if he doesnt care about the other tenets of islam, why change the subject of the thread and start attacking the OP for something else? this is very strange behaviour on our part and i am guilty of this too.

You are right

I often refrain to attacking people or making personal attacks. To be honest they don't bother me much after all they are least of my worries

I like to have discussions on varieties of subjects and those I do not know anything about I tend to be more of a reader and of course I ask where I need to.

That said, I will continue to engage with anyone based on the points they've written.

Otherwise thanks for looking at the bigger picture.

Shukran and may Allah reward you

[Nundduedola]

Asalaam Aleykum

Would you kindly elaborate your above statement.

I've not understood what you are trying to say

WalaikumAssalam

Sure.

Typically you scanned through the most important pointers of Dawud Beales post and latched onto this one point about substantiating 'Whabbi Haters'. That you could have done yourself since you are a frequent visitor to a variety of threads.

It makes me wonder why, but I think I already knew the answer.

[Trissinas]

really?

so what does the Islamic Saudi laws say when a Muslim non Saudi wants to marry a Saudi Woman?

Your really backward..

Seems like you don't know anything.

[JulieSmithXIV]

just because a person starts a thread about one thing, does not mean that he does not care about anything else. just because the OP started a thread about a toilet being built on the house of Hazrat Khadija (rd), it does not mean he does not care about the other tenets of islam. and even if he doesnt care about the other tenets of islam, why change the subject of the thread and start attacking the OP for something else? this is very strange behaviour on our part and i am guilty of this too.

Everything is interconnected and related. This is about insulting someone for destroying the historical sites (which itself is ikhtilaafi) and then going on degrading Sunnats themselves.