[RG3rGWcA]

How to explain to them it's not as barbaric as they may think. They might just accept 80 lashes for fornication.

[ladleliDypenue]

How to explain to them it's not as barbaric as they may think. They might just accept 80 lashes for fornication.

In the U.S. it is easier to explain because we already have capital punishment.

I point out that in the state of Utah they still list hanging or firing squad as a method of execution.

And that what ever the method used.

The end result is still the same for the convicted criminal.

So stoning is just as viable of a method as any other.

[Sipewrio]

You ask them what the criteria for being something barbaric is. Then you can mention that life imprisonment can be barbaric as well.

Also, stoning is mentioned in the bible, will you consider the bible barbaric too?

[Fiipolera]

Also, stoning is mentioned in the bible, will you consider the bible barbaric too?

And they will tell you that stoning was in the Old Testament (Torah/Tawrat)

Which was under a different covenant than the New Testament (Gospels/Injills)

And that Jesus (Isa) stopped the stoning of the woman accused of adultery in the Bible.

As an example of the new covenant that Christians are now under which doesn't allow stoning.

[fabrizioitwloch]

One answer is easy.

The punishment fits the crime.
Adultery leads to a break-up of a family. Families are the building blocks of happiness and stability in any civilised society. And then you have intense and lasting pain for the one cheated upon.
It is a despicable action deserving of some intense form of punishment.

Stoning is such a deterrent.
Also remember that to get to the stage of stoning is very hard too. You need 4 upright witnesses who actually saw penetration of private parts.

So IF someone is caught doing it in front of 4 upright witnesses then surely they are ultra-shameless and deserve severe reprimand.

[Battwenue]

Fornication, adultery and cheating are normal to non Muslims (in the west), so it is going to be barbaric to them. Muslims too are infected with this, Muslims should not be emphasising the punishment given by shariah, because the shariah is not operating anywhere in the world today. We should be talking about the harms it causes and the destruction it causes when it is widespread in a culture. They say almost 40% of people who think someone is their father is not their actual father.

[Dynasty]

They say almost 40% of people who think someone is their father is not their actual father.

Who is "They"?

And do you have a LINK to back up your absurd claim??

[Caregrasy]

The thing to remember is in an Islamic state, the actual occurrence of stoning would be very rare. And before that to happen you need 4 witnesses to see the act. And before that Muslims are supposed to lower their gaze, wear modest dress, never be alone in private, not allowed to physically touch or flirt, or uncover the 'awrah, etc.... so there's so many barriers for a true Muslim. Having said that, if a Muslim and Muslimah want to commit adultery probably these barriers are the last thing on their minds - they'd go straight for the red-hot (= haraam) "sweet dish"!

The non-Muslim doesn't have these barriers so adultery would be "easier" and common? They are so programmed by dramas and movies in which adultery & sleeping around is commonplace that a punishment for adultery such as stoning would appear too harsh?

Is adultery a crime on any Christian nation on earth?

[Fouttysotlalf]

Studies have been done, do a search regarding paternity, I read about it years ago.

try this:
http://friendofdad.freewebspace.com/...ty%20Fraud.htm

Who is "They"?

And do you have a LINK to back up your absurd claim??

[agrismhig]

And they will tell you that stoning was in the Old Testament (Torah/Tawrat)

Which was under a different covenant than the New Testament (Gospels/Injills)

And that Jesus (Isa) stopped the stoning of the woman accused of adultery in the Bible.

As an example of the new covenant that Christians are now under which doesn't allow stoning.

Yeah but there is evidence (very STRONG) evidence to suggest that the story regarding Isa and the woman to be stoned was actually an interpolation that wasn't originally in the Gospel but regardless, the questions I always ask them is:

1. Do you not believe the Old Testament and the Covenant was from God (even if you think it is no longer valid)? They will say, YES
2. Then, was stoning a punishment that God had commanded to the Jews at the time, even if it was a punishment that was only meant to be valid for a certain period of time? They have to say YES
3. Then, was God commanding a barbaric act? They have to say NO
4. Then why is it different if we believe in stoning? Why is it barbaric when we believe in it but not barbaric when you believe that God commanded it? End result- confused Christian

But I don't normally talk about this since most people in the UK aren't Christian. Ask them, as bro Ansari mentioned, what constitutes 'barbaric' and prove that such a term is subjective and the only way to objectively prove something is to establish what God says regarding the matter.

[Toninvell]

Studies have been done, do a search regarding paternity, I read about it years ago.

try this:
http://friendofdad.freewebspace.com/...ty%20Fraud.htm

So some idiotic site hosted by dead beat dad's with a grudge is your evidence! LOL

Junior you need to do better than that.

Or just admit your claim was just another bogus bash the West non sense.

[OShellszz]

Isn't Jesus supposed to have said let the man who is sinless cast the first stone? When he was being tested by the Pharasee Jews? They wanted to trap Jesus by getting him to deny stoning as a punishment, or to carry it out and get himself in trouble for saying he had come to change the law of the tawra and make it more merciful.

[praboobolbode]

4. Then why is it different if we believe in stoning? Why is it barbaric when we believe in it but not barbaric when you believe that God commanded it? End result- confused Christian

Nope, they will not be confused at all.

They will tell you; that was then, and this is now.

End of story.

[Lidawka]

Bash at the west?!!! I think you need to take a chill pill...why would I be against the West? Studies have been done, go do some yourself you will see the stats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud

So some idiotic site hosted by dead beat dad's with a grudge is your evidence! LOL

Junior you need to do better than that.

Or just admit your claim was just another bogus bash the West non sense.

[peveballery]

In the U.S. it is easier to explain because we already have capital punishment.

I point out that in the state of Utah they still list hanging or firing squad as a method of execution.

And that what ever the method used.

The end result is still the same for the convicted criminal.

So stoning is just as viable of a method as any other.

Wait?! Are you saying that U.S has capital punishment for adultery? Or I am mistaken?

[IRYzouNv]

So God was barbaric then but now he is not? Why believe in the Torah when none of its law apply anymore? Maybe theft and murder should not be punished either?

Nope, they will not be confused at all.

They will tell you; that was then, and this is now.

End of story.

[Sowsunese]

Bash at the west?!!! I think you need to take a chill pill...why would I be against the West? Studies have been done, go do some yourself you will see the stats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud

You really should read what you are posting as evidence before embarrassing yourself again.

From your own site that you linked:

"A 2005 scientific review of international published studies of paternal discrepancy found a range in incidence from 0.8% to 30% (median 3.7%, with half of the academic studies on the subject, i.e. eight, yielding rates from  2.0% to 9.6%), suggesting that the widely quoted and unsubstantiated figure of 10% of non-paternal events is an overestimate.


Proving that your 40% claim was basically hot air.

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

Nope, they will not be confused at all.

They will tell you; that was then, and this is now.

End of story.

Of course they'll be confused because if they say stoning is barbaric but then they admit that God commanded stoning THEN (not now), they will end up confused (as to how to explain it would be barbaric now but not then).

[indocrew]

Also remember that to get to the stage of stoning is very hard too. You need 4 upright witnesses who actually saw penetration of private parts.

So IF someone is caught doing it in front of 4 upright witnesses then surely they are ultra-shameless and deserve severe reprimand.

These days non-Muslims have a habit of filming their private life and then it ends up on the Net! More than 4 people will view the video. Would they then be qualified to be stoned to death?!?!?

[DariushPetresku]

Of course they'll be confused because if they say stoning is barbaric but then they admit that God commanded stoning THEN (not now), they will end up confused (as to how to explain it would be barbaric now but not then).

Again, in Christian doctrine God released man from the Old Testament Laws and replaced them with the New Testament covenant.

Thus, what God allowed back then is forbidden now.