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Old 05-22-2012, 01:08 PM   #1
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Default Alleged contradiction in Hadiths about Dajjal
As-salamu alaykum.

I came across the following two Hadiths about the Dajjal that appear to contradict one another. I was hoping someone on this forum could help me sort this out. Below are the two Hadiths in question.
Ibn Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). made a mention of Dajjil in the presence of the people and said: Allah is not one-eyed and behold that Dajjal is blind of the right eye and his eye would be like a floating grape.
Sahih Muslim 41:7005 Hudhalfa reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Dajjal is blind of left eye with thick hair and there would be a garden and fire with him and his fire would be a garden and his garden would be fire.
Sahih Muslim 41:7010 JazakAllah Khayran for all of your help.
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Old 05-22-2012, 04:35 PM   #2
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As-salamu alaykum.

I came across the following two Hadiths about the Dajjal that appear to contradict one another. I was hoping someone on this forum could help me sort this out. Below are the two Hadiths in question.



JazakAllah Khayran for all of your help.
A more metaphorical meaning that I have come across is that it is not refering to a physical blindness, rather it is refering to a spiritual blindness though he may also be physically blind in one of his eyes (which one is not importanat). The spiritual blindness is the crux of the matter... it means he will be extremely materialistic even his supposed spirituality will be based on manipulation of matter.

Allah Knows Best.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:19 PM   #3
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I came across the following two Hadiths about the Dajjal that appear to contradict one another.
Salaamu alaiykum
You should change this to: "I came across the following two Hadiths about the Dajjal which my insufficient knowledge and experience in hadith can't comprehend the inevitable purity and coherence in the two narrations" Don't worry, lol. I knew you meant that - I just enjoy being semantic.
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Old 05-23-2012, 03:25 AM   #4
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Thank you for the responses so far. Is anyone able to cite a reliable reference to clarify these two Hadiths in relation to one another?
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:21 AM   #5
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As-salamu alaykum.

I came across the following two Hadiths about the Dajjal that appear to contradict one another. I was hoping someone on this forum could help me sort this out. Below are the two Hadiths in question.



JazakAllah Khayran for all of your help.


Many Scholars have stated that both eyes of Dajjal are defective but he is blind in one eye so one eye is non-functional while the other will be functional but defective.

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Old 05-23-2012, 10:10 PM   #6
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Many Scholars have stated that both eyes of Dajjal are defective but he is blind in one eye so one eye is non-functional while the other will be functional but defective.


His left eye is non functional, while right eye is defective
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:49 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Hardstone

Many Scholars have stated that both eyes of Dajjal are defective but he is blind in one eye so one eye is non-functional while the other will be functional but defective.


His left eye is non functional, while right eye is defective Thanks for these replies. I certainly believe you both, but are either of you able to provide sources for these opinions? I imagine you heard them from scholars, so it would be nice to be able to have the direct sources for these opinions.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:01 PM   #8
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Thanks for these replies. I certainly believe you both, but are either of you able to provide sources for these opinions? I imagine you heard them from scholars, so it would be nice to be able to have the direct sources for these opinions.
Pls check foot notes by Hazrat Rafi usmani DB on page 68-69 in following

http://archive.org/details/Alamaat-e...uftiRafiUsmani
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:30 PM   #9
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Pls check foot notes by Hazrat Rafi usmani DB on page 68-69 in following

http://archive.org/details/Alamaat-e...uftiRafiUsmani
Thank you for this, but I do not know Arabic. Could someone please possibly translate the relevant portion into English for me?
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:06 PM   #10
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A additional metaphorical essence I endure runed into can be that it is normally refering to aid someone physical blindness, a little this stayed relating to be able to a non secular blindness however he may also be in fact sightless together with between his eyes . A person's marvelous blindness is usually your evryday crux on the list of problem... this submit he must be all materialistic and his engineered spirituality are able to be dependent of regulaton regarding product.
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Old 05-30-2012, 08:34 AM   #11
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A additional metaphorical essence I endure runed into can be that it is normally refering to aid someone physical blindness, a little this stayed relating to be able to a non secular blindness however he may also be in fact sightless together with between his eyes . A person's marvelous blindness is usually your evryday crux on the list of problem... this submit he must be all materialistic and his engineered spirituality are able to be dependent of regulaton regarding product.
Is this an English translation of the Arabic footnote provided by MASAD174?
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:42 AM   #12
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Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah

PursuitofKnowledge do you by any chance make a habit of reading answering Islam or other anti-Islamic websites because they delight in sowing confusion over these type of things?

The corpus of the Hadeeth were passed down through human narrators, some pass through very sound mutawwatir chains (multiply replicated ones) whilst others pass through single chains, sometimes long ones and due to this they may have picked up some distortion.

As I am sure you know hadeeth are graded between Sahih/sound, Hasan/good, Da`if/weak and Maudu/fabricated. We can be pretty confident that a Sahih hadeeth is correct, but that is not with a 100% degree of certainty. Allah protected the Holy Qur'an from error, but He has made no such direct promise for the hadeeth.

You have to remember that human beings are fallible and some transmitters made small mistakes, however these are usually visible due to the fact that nearly all hadeeth come to us through multiples versions or if not there are similar hadeeth in existence. This tends to iron things out.

Furthermore the hadeeth have to be understood contextually. That is why we have scholars who dedicate their lives to specializing in hadeeth sciences. If you want to know about any two seemingly conflicting narrations then you really need to go to someone who not only knows of these narrations, but also their whole context and what the scholars of the past have said about them.

For an idea of some of the issues involved look at this http://www.bilalassoc.com/upload/sun..._Science_2.pdf and watch this http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/brown.html


If you really want to know about Dajjal don't bother yourself with trying to play hadeeth scholar read this http://masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/cardiff.htm
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:36 AM   #13
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^Thanks for the response. My familiarity with Hadith and its sciences is enough that I am familiar with that which you mentioned in your post, but as you pointed out, I nor the majority of us are Hadith scholars. I posted this here in the hopes that someone here would be able to point me in the direction of a scholar who would be able to explain this utilizing its context and with respect to the entire science of Hadith; it appears that one was provided to me by MASAD174 (although it is in Arabic which I do not know) and that what, I believe, is an English translation of it by santonu911.

JazakAllahu Khayran to everyone for their help in this thread.
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Old 08-02-2012, 04:42 AM   #14
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A more metaphorical meaning that I have come across is that it is not refering to a physical blindness, rather it is refering to a spiritual blindness though he may also be physically blind in one of his eyes (which one is not importanat). The spiritual blindness is the crux of the matter... it means he will be extremely materialistic even his supposed spirituality will be based on manipulation of matter.

Allah Knows Best.
Salaam

Yup thats what I agree with. This is why dajjaal's forerunners who run this world order have placed so much emphasis on the materialistic fulfillment.
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