[Dkavtbek]

assalaamu alaykum, hope everyone on the forum is well.

Just wanted to ask are these taweez permissible , so any taweez experts or users could comment on this. Here are the pictures :

taweez 1:



taweez 2:





thanks

[movlabz]

are those numbers? stay away from the ones with numbers and unknown languages - they are not halal

[usacomm]

are those numbers? stay away from the ones with numbers and unknown languages - they are not halal

yes they are arabic numbers, someone told me :

"Yes they are permissable. This is called Aadaad (numerical value). Each letter in the Arabic alphabet has a numerical value, therefore each dua/ surah has a different value depending on the letters used. E.g. the numerical value of Allah is 66. (Alif=1, Laam=30, Laam=30, Ha=5)

Taweez can be written in different ways. Using boxes or writing the dua out. Using boxes is called Naqsh and consists of either 3x3, 4x4, 5x5 etc boxes. Sometimes 3x4, 4x5 etc. The whole reasoning behind this is to prevent disrespect as the Huroof (actual letters) arent being used and also to allow for someone to gain blessings from the different surahs, which would be very hard maybe impossible to write on paper e.g. Surah Baqarah.

The first picture of the taweez shown is a 4x4 naqsh with the numerical value starting at 180 and this is the numerical value of the name of Allah - Samee' (the listening one). The number 180 will therefore be written in the box respective to the following order:

8 11 14 1
13 2 7 12
3 16 9 6
10 5 4 15

As the taweez is a naqsh the Aamil will have to fill in the rest of the 15 boxes, he will do so by using the order shown above and adding 1 each time.

e.g. 1=180, 2=181, 3=182 etc and will continue till the boxes are filled.

The variations of order depend on the reason the taweez is going to be used. All true Aamils (taweez writers) will know the variations as they normally use books of the Buzurgaane Deen."

[DoroKickcrofe]

yes they are arabic numbers, someone told me :

"Yes they are permissable. This is called Aadaad (numerical value). Each letter in the Arabic alphabet has a numerical value, therefore each dua/ surah has a different value depending on the letters used. E.g. the numerical value of Allah is 66. (Alif=1, Laam=30, Laam=30, Ha=5)

Taweez can be written in different ways. Using boxes or writing the dua out. Using boxes is called Naqsh and consists of either 3x3, 4x4, 5x5 etc boxes. Sometimes 3x4, 4x5 etc. The whole reasoning behind this is to prevent disrespect as the Huroof (actual letters) arent being used and also to allow for someone to gain blessings from the different surahs, which would be very hard maybe impossible to write on paper e.g. Surah Baqarah.

The first picture of the taweez shown is a 4x4 naqsh with the numerical value starting at 180 and this is the numerical value of the name of Allah - Samee' (the listening one). The number 180 will therefore be written in the box respective to the following order:

8 11 14 1
13 2 7 12
3 16 9 6
10 5 4 15

As the taweez is a naqsh the Aamil will have to fill in the rest of the 15 boxes, he will do so by using the order shown above and adding 1 each time.

e.g. 1=180, 2=181, 3=182 etc and will continue till the boxes are filled.

The variations of order depend on the reason the taweez is going to be used. All true Aamils (taweez writers) will know the variations as they normally use books of the Buzurgaane Deen."

Those aren't Arabic numbers, they're in Hindi.

[Blaxastij]

Those aren't Arabic numbers, they're in Hindi.

eh no, they are indeed in arabic.

[Mqcawkzd]

eh no, they are indeed in arabic.

I'm referring to those in the "taweez" pictures; they're in hindi, NOT Arabic. Arabic numerals were stolen by the westerners: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Although Arabs use the hindi numerals more often now, it doesn't make them "more Arabic", just as those stolen from the Arabs- don't become "less Arabic".

[expiclefich]

The numbers r arabic, same as the numbers in quran. Maybe there not that clear

[steevyjeors]

The numbers r arabic, same as the numbers in quran. Maybe there not that clear

The Quran has no numbering.

Mus-hafs generally tend to have Hindi numbering, as its the common one used in the east, since the westerners assumed authority over the Arabic numerals. I'd have thought, someone around here would know at least the very basics.

[Fededorbprago]

This has been discussed at length here;

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...amically-right

[pataagusata]

assalaamu alaykum, hope everyone on the forum is well.

Just wanted to ask are these taweez permissible , so any taweez experts or users could comment on this. Here are the pictures :

taweez 1:



taweez 2:





thanks

I think the 2nd one is hizbul bahr but i forget now i havent written it in a while either it starts 1490 or 1690 or maybe it is the one you showed here. why u used black ink to write? did u use pen to write or qalam? looks like u used pen, why? just curious.

[Poowssnople]

I think the 2nd one is hizbul bahr but i forget now i havent written it in a while either it starts 1490 or 1690 or maybe it is the one you showed here. why u used black ink to write? did u use pen to write or qalam? looks like u used pen, why? just curious.

bro i didnt write it, the person i wrote it used black ink

[Filmania]

I'm referring to those in the "taweez" pictures; they're in hindi, NOT Arabic. Arabic numerals were stolen by the westerners: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Although Arabs use the hindi numerals more often now, it doesn't make them "more Arabic", just as those stolen from the Arabs- don't become "less Arabic".

You are absolutely correct, rule #1 is beginners Arabic.

I learned the same thing in my Elementary Arabic class in College...which is Arabs took on the hindi style of writing numbers, but their original style of writing was stolen from them by the Europeans.

And Allah swt knows best.

[Misiotoagodia]

Hm, interesting. Nice to learn new things everyday.

[Nakforappealp]

Do what the prophet said every day and that is enough "authu bi kalimati llahi tamati", "i seek refuge in the perfect words of Allah" this is the best kind of taweez and the most beneficial, the numbers are invented even if their meaning isn't haram you can also judge the difference in barraka between the two based on that. Would you rather have the words of Allah or numbers that don't do anything more than if the words had been written down normally?

[AbraroLib]

I'd have thought, someone around here would know at least the very basics.

there wasnt any number symbol at the time of prophet(sw)?

[KhJOHbTM]

there wasnt any number symbol at the time of prophet(sw)?

no, they used the modern english numbers back then - 1.2.3.4 - later, Arabs adopted the hindi number system. even in english the number system is called "Arabic Numerals" - it was easier for the europeans and Asians to use Arabic numbers in trade since Arabs controled most of the silk road - and the number system stuck with the Europeans (to say they stole it is kinda harsh, more like they adopted it, Im of European decent in America, does that mean I jacked Islam from the Arabs?)

As far as the Taweez goes - I was taight by my sheikh to stay away from numbers and numerology - Alif does not equal 1 in the spiritual sence - it equals Alif. Numerology is the sunnah of the jews and is not our way.

[greekbeast]

its like inventing a code for writing something and then saying it is more beneficial than just writing the words as is....what's the point and their is plenty of doubt in it.

[Nashhlkq]

Asalamolkum,

Can anyone translate these or even tell me what language there in??? i heard these are all shirk and told by huge Sheiks in Pakistan & India not to open them and read them but say wear this and it will protect you I doubt it.

Taweez Letter 1.jpgTaweez Letter 2.jpg

[mynaflzak]

Only if every muslim would have the Yaqeen of getting from the treasures of Allah through the 2 Raka's with sincerity, the All time number 1 taweez that the Sahaba used. If this Yaqeen was present then buzurgs would not even feel the need to give out these taweez etc. Before taking a taweez we should ask ourselves that will a taweez work more or doing Wudu and praying 2 rakats with khushu and then begging Allah will fullfill my need and provide me protection from whatever harm i seek refuge from.

[replicajoy]

Only if every muslim would have the Yaqeen of getting from the treasures of Allah through the 2 Raka's with sincerity, the All time number 1 taweez that the Sahaba used. If this Yaqeen was present then buzurgs would not even feel the need to give out these taweez etc. Before taking a taweez we should ask ourselves that will a taweez work more or doing Wudu and praying 2 rakats with khushu and then begging Allah will fullfill my need and provide me protection from whatever harm i seek refuge from.

totally agreed brother! i was researching regarding taweez and their permissibility and landed on this forum. In another forum i read posts by brothers regarding taweez and one of the brother was supporting "numerology" i.e numbers and grids in taweez with all kinds of explanation..but we know nowhere in the Quran or SUnnah its mentioned that numbers (even Ayah,Surah numbers) can be used as taweez. The biggest Shifa lies in the yaqeen on Allah(swt) and the quran. If you have memorized Ayat Al-kursi,Al-falak,An-Naas n other surahs then you dont need any taweez. Protection lies in the Dhikr ,remembrance of Allah(swt). Make salah regularly and follow the pillars of ISlam and InshAllah ..Allah will protect us and fullfill our needs and cure us. We dont need taweez with numbers and grids on them to protect us. No matter how much people try to defend taweez (the ones with numbers,grids) my self understanding n my conscience doesnt allow me to accept those. 2 taweez were given to me by one of my relative but i just didnt feel like wearing them by not knowing what ws inside.

Also even if there was nothing Haram about about these taweez...in my opinion and im talking in a general sense of things....sihr ,bidah do come in the form of taweez also. So people who are less aware about taweez may fal victim to "fake" ulema,peers etc. So dont u think brothers its better to avoid taweez instead of defending them with all kinds of explanations like one brother from another related forum.

So by my own understanding and by my own reading of Quran and my own faith in Allah(swt) his words in the Quran and through my faith in Prophet Muhammad's(pbuh) teaching.... and using my own brain which Allah(swt) has blessed me with...i chose not to put any taweez around my neck and instead make Dhikr,make wudoo,pray salah on time and recite Quran in my home. And i think this is a much simpler and effective approach rather than putting taweez. Brothers the Islam we practise should be simple and we should not try to make our Islam complex..lets not confuse ourselves ad follow a simple ad effective Islam. May Allah(swt) guide us to the correct path and protect us from shirk and Bidah.