[Veveseinlep]

I have just had a running with an arab! He actually said we are different muslim and only arab muslims are muslims. hIS reasons because Quran is in Arabic.!!! He said all indian, bangladeshi, indonesian and all non arabs are extrimist. This is because I told him about a shari ruling!
Have You ever worked with Arabs!! In my expeirence in general they are all huhaa but no substance!! They have a tendency not to follow due process!! IBMS factor!! If I was an employer, I would give the arabs cleaners Jobs!! They need to clean the **** out of their head!!

Please not there are ofcourse exception to the norm.

[vNZsk39B]

The Pakistani government is criticized left, right, and centre. It is only the Saudi government that gets a "seal of approval" from some scholars, barring people from criticizing it. People make fun of the Pakistani government even within Pakistan. Try the same thing in Saudia and you'll disappear, especially if you're a non-Saudi. Scholars have been removed from their posts for much, much less in Saudi Arabia. Recall the incident about the co-ed university, which is haraam by all accounts. When a scholar tried to say that this was haraam and the king was simply not made aware (basically, the scholar was going out of his way to make excuses for the king while maintaining the prohibition of co-education), he was promptly removed from his post.

Your understanding of the term "backbite" is lacking. If a person is an open sinner, then it isn't backbiting to talk about this person and his flagrant sinning. If a person holds influence and his influence affects others, then it isn't backbiting to warn others about this person.

Not to mention the fact that most of us are not subjects to the Saudi monarchy so the Saudi king is as much our ameer as the Dutch queen is our ameerah (i.e. they are not our ameers since we do not live in Saudi Arabia and we are not their subjects).

bro lets be honest, saudi gets more condemnation here than the rest of the muslim nations combined

and I already provided a hadeeth stating that its haraam to spread the faults of the ruler so if you have any alim from the hanafi madhab (As I see that you are hanafi) who has advised that its ok to criticise saudi id be interested to see that inshAllah as I know brothers here are quite strong to emphasis eth need to follow scholars and not their own desires or opinions

[Vcwdldva]

abu fatimah here are the views of the majlis on saudi monarchy as a whole:
http://www.themajlis.co.za/index.php...cles&Itemid=27

and

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Mufti-AS-Desai

now can we hate the saudi rulers in peace as the majlis is both deobandi and hanafi?

[bushomeworkk]

I have just had a running with an arab! He actually said we are different muslim and only arab muslims are muslims. hIS reasons because Quran is in Arabic.!!! He said all indian, bangladeshi, indonesian and all non arabs are extrimist. This is because I told him about a shari ruling!
Have You ever worked with Arabs!! In my expeirence in general they are all huhaa but no substance!! They have a tendency not to follow due process!! IBMS factor!! If I was an employer, I would give the arabs cleaners Jobs!! They need to clean the **** out of their head!!

Please not there are ofcourse exception to the norm.

akhi fear Allah with such generalisations. I know many arabs and have not witnessed this behaviour. Furthermore, I have witnessed severe racism in the indian subcontinent community however this doesnt mean I will say all indosubs are racist because I have friends from virtually every nation on the planet and I know that everyone is an individual judged by their taqwa and not skin colour

[Zfdeisde]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Develop...ance_Committee

DAC is a european institution so saudi isnt a member. interesting that someone with such a long term membership and low post count fealt strongly enough to post erroeousness information though, shows how bitter the bias against saudi is here, wallahi this bias isnt something good for you or the ummah, you should always be driven by the truth and not emotional bias, I ask Allah to cure you of this

and yet from the list you find Japan and Korea

last time I checked they are not European countries

about The Commitment to Development Index (CDI), published annually by the Center for Global Development, ranks the world’s richest countries on their dedication to policies that benefit the five billion people living in poorer nations. Rich and poor countries are linked in many ways; thus the Index looks beyond standard comparisons of foreign aid flows.

[Nubtoubrem]

abu fatimah here are the views of the majlis on saudi monarchy as a whole:
http://www.themajlis.co.za/index.php...cles&Itemid=27

and

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Mufti-AS-Desai

now can we hate the saudi rulers in peace as the majlis is both deobandi and hanafi?

who are the majlis and can you quote what im supposed to be seeing on this? i have no idea who that guy on the majlis site is.

but to be honest, i see there is no getting through to you guys so screw indosubs, i think islam will rise with the arabs and inshallah as things are moving there so i can just forget you guys and leave you to criticise saudi and do nothing for the ummah whatsoever. i can see you will never be anything but enemies to me

[AndyPharmc]

May Allah give ummah good leaders

[Forexampleee]

who are the majlis and can you quote what im supposed to be seeing on this? i have no idea who that guy on the majlis site is.

but to be honest, i see there is no getting through to you guys so screw indosubs, i think islam will rise with the arabs and inshallah as things are moving there so i can just forget you guys and leave you to criticise saudi and do nothing for the ummah whatsoever. i can see you will never be anything but enemies to me

visit the majlis website for more details.
this should suffice:
' evil, faasiq, faajir monarch of Saudi Arabia has denuded himself of every vestige of the Deen'
or
'he Saudi king has openly reneged from Islam. This vile, decrepit, senile king does not deserve to hold the title, Khaadimul Haramain Shareefain. This inveterate, spineless lackey and surrogate of the West is NOT Khaadimul Haramain (The Servant of Musjidul Haraam and Musjidun Nabawi)'

thanks for showing your real face btw mr.racist...and btw many of our number support taliban and AQ - and AQ is salafi dominated. so basically we don't have much problem with salafis. we have a problem with saudia and pakistan who side openly with kuffar and with MB and turkey who have chosen the wrong way to bring islam to power. you and the movements you have chosen to admire have reneged the ummah into destruction and total subservience to the west so much so that in countries of muslim majority we cannot have islamic shariah!...muslim majority countries cannot go and save the rohingyas and the palestinians and the syrians because they have accepted the UN worldview. even if your chosen govt styles do bring a semblance of shariah they can never free other muslims from enslavement, torture and persecution. example: where did the saudis help the burmese muslims?
how can you accuse us of doing nothing? who took revenge of almost every rogue killing of Muslims in afghanistan? who is now ready to unleash fury over burma with 500 fighters? who has destroyed american economy by bringing the country to afghanistan and plunging it into deep debt?

in the war against the western hegemony and control over economy, politics and lifestyle of Muslims through democracy the friends of the kuffar are first in line before the actual kuffar. so yes you are right we are your enemy. you just like saudi because you are salafi. that is all.

[ i don't personally mind MB or JI supporters if they are polite and open to discussion. but most here are emotional or living in denial and never leave an opportunity to insult the mujaihdeen. hence the stick]

[Yinekol]

visit the majlis website for more details.
this should suffice:
' evil, faasiq, faajir monarch of Saudi Arabia has denuded himself of every vestige of the Deen'
or
'he Saudi king has openly reneged from Islam. This vile, decrepit, senile king does not deserve to hold the title, Khaadimul Haramain Shareefain. This inveterate, spineless lackey and surrogate of the West is NOT Khaadimul Haramain (The Servant of Musjidul Haraam and Musjidun Nabawi)'

thanks for showing your real face btw mr.racist...and btw many of our number support taliban and AQ - and AQ is salafi dominated. so basically we don't have much problem with salafis. we have a problem with saudia and pakistan who side openly with kuffar and with MB and turkey who have chosen the wrong way to bring islam to power. you and the movements you have chosen to admire have reneged the ummah into destruction and total subservience to the west so much so that in countries of muslim majority we cannot have islamic shariah!...muslim majority countries cannot go and save the rohingyas and the palestinians and the syrians because they have accepted the UN worldview. even if your chosen govt styles do bring a semblance of shariah they can never free other muslims from enslavement, torture and persecution. example: where did the saudis help the burmese muslims?
how can you accuse us of doing nothing? who took revenge of almost every rogue killing of Muslims in afghanistan? who is now ready to unleash fury over burma with 500 fighters? who has destroyed american economy by bringing the country to afghanistan and plunging it into deep debt?

in the war against the western hegemony and control over economy, politics and lifestyle of Muslims through democracy the friends of the kuffar are first in line before the actual kuffar. so yes you are right we are your enemy. you just like saudi because you are salafi. that is all.

[ i don't personally mind MB or JI supporters if they are polite and open to discussion. but most here are emotional or living in denial and never leave an opportunity to insult the mujaihdeen. hence the stick]

This is not a stick, this is in fact a 'kora' hahaha

[Rurcextedutty]

If Saudi Arabia so generous why don't they build a Mosques for the Black here in the west ?

[Teeppoodiug]

AbuFatimah, the Saudis get a lot of criticism because they have taken control of the haramain. They have taken that responsibility upon themselves (by force, I might add), so it's natural they ought to be held to a higher standard. Moreover, they are coming from a very different set of circumstances than other Muslim nations. They were not the victims of two and a half centuries of European colonialism- they were its beneficiaries. They had the benefit of oil wealth, which is something most Muslim nations don't have.

You should also realize that even if you ever visit there, your perception of Saudi will be very different to others for a number of reasons: you are salafi, you are british, and you are white. You will never experience the vicious, institutionalized mistreatment of other non-khaleejis which is a serious problem in Saudi and well documented.

Finally, I don't know why you keep bringing up the same tired point of not criticizing the "rulers". There is no unified Islamic state nowadays for there to be an amir. Abdullah is certainly not my amir. Furthermore, by allying themselves with the kuffar and making war on other Muslims, they have proven their own illegitimacy. Imam alHusain fought Yazid for smaller reasons than that.

[Fosavoa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_foreign_assistance

"Between 1976 and 2006, Saudi developmental aid amounted to US$49 billion[1], second only to the United States of America. The ODA/GNP ratio averaged 4.2% over this period, well above the highest amount provided by Development Assistance Committee countries (the DAC average is 0.35%).[2] On a per-capita basis, the country is the biggest worldwide donator though the aid has only been given to Muslim countries.[1]"


As we know, american idea of "aid" includes giving food to yemen and then threatening to take it away again if they dont comply with american requests, and giving 1.5billion dollars in military "aid" to husni mubarak.

So one could be forgiven for concluding that saudi arabia is the most generous country on the planet.

So rather than complaining about saudi arabia, take a look at your own countries, and your own selves, and do what you can for the ummah before pointing fingers at others. Muslims in the UK fill up the brothels, cinemas, bookies and nightclubs, so before we point fingers at muslims on the other side of the planet, let us look a little closer to home and ask ourselves what WE are doing for the ummah inshAllah.

Still doesn't answer my question !!!!!

[quorceopporce]

It's Ramadan, end this useless discussion.

[ElenaEvgeevna]

If Saudi Arabia so generous why don't they build a Mosques for the Black here in the west ?

Why should they? No one builds a mosque for the whites? Islam is not divided into races. Saudis support whoever is of the same manhaj, be they black, white, or blue.

[InsManKV]

who are the majlis and can you quote what im supposed to be seeing on this? i have no idea who that guy on the majlis site is.

but to be honest, i see there is no getting through to you guys so screw indosubs, i think islam will rise with the arabs and inshallah as things are moving there so i can just forget you guys and leave you to criticise saudi and do nothing for the ummah whatsoever. i can see you will never be anything but enemies to me

Brother, what you have just said is shocking. You see some here as enemies and not fellow Muslim becaus ethey have a difference with you with regard to politics? These are words a Munafiq would utter. Thing is, I doubt you even meant that.

It is Ramadhan, please try to avoid anymore discussion on these issues for all our sakes.


Allahu A'lam