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A'oodu billahi minashaitan nirajeem.
Bismillahirahmaniraheem

May Allah save me from the machinations of the Shaitan. I ask Allah to forgive me for anything I write below that does not please him. I ask his guidance to follow his Sunnah and enable the Muslims to prosper and become once more people
worthy of respect.


All Ahadeeths are clear that there should be no image creation. Creating images result in angels staying away from our houses and could result in idol worship.

Arguments as to whether digital photograph creates and image or not is refuted by those who say what about when you print it? Then it is not a mere reflection of light but a creation of the image. This is a valid point.

However we are living in the 21st century.
We need passports, photos to identifying criminals etc.
So even though image creation is haram we are told that this is permissible when necessary.

Allah hu a'lam. Allah know best.

Can Muslim prosper in the 21st century. Become strong and powerful . Become vice-regents on this earth if we minimize the use of the 21st century tools?
An answer to this could be , Allah will provide. This is true. Allah will provide for the Muslims if we obey him and follow his Sunnah.

When Abu Balkr (ra) was urged by Umar (ra) to compile the Quruan. We appreciate the Hikma of compiling the Quruan into written form, because we have it today,
even though the rasool did not do it himself.

So modernisation for the general benefit of the muslims may be necessary. Making photographs haram in the 21st century, would it be beneficial for the muslims, or would it take them backward?
Multi media is a way of life in social communications. We cannot escape this revolution. Are we going to be experts at it or are we going to leave it to the Kufars to be experts at it? Will it benefit us to use these tools or will it take us nearer to the Fire?

How can we participate in the 21st century yet obey Allah and the rasool?

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As you seem to be in personal contact with Mufti Ibn Adam, could you just clarify with him and ask him if the following is permissible:

a) I take pictures of my family with a digital camera but never print it, but I save them in the form of digital memory.
b) I take a video of when my son becomes a hafidh.

JazakAllah

did you ever get an answer to this?

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did you ever get an answer to this?

No I didn't. Hope1?

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Assalam Allaikum W.W.
Dear brothers and sisters, this is my first post and i'm very glad to have joined the forum. Mashallah and barakallah feekum. In regards to the post, i would like to say " Kullu a3mallun biniyat", this is the first step to everything. From my understanding (please correct me if i'm wrong), Artists & Artisans during the Prophets time S.A.W and now are all to have the skill/element of creativity. You need to be a creative one to become an artist/Artisan. This is why it is haram to draw/paint or create idols of living beings as this action will consider you to be playing part of the creator. While photography, as already mentioned in the forum is a reflection of the object whether it be living or still. Printing the photo is still a result of a reflected image. The other thing we should ask is why do we take photos? I take photos of my children for memories. Artisan & Artists work to show off their Art/Creativity & skills. Can both of these actions be considered the same? A.A.W.W

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br. abuzain

Welcome to the forum, and I hope we benefit from you as you from the forum inshAllah.

You have raised two aspects.

a. Artist / Artisan draw innovative/creative things which are not originally there. hence one taken for memories will not under the same.

The prohibition of tasweer also includes tamseel (statues). From tafaseer and historical texts it is clear that statues were created to remember the pious and godly people of the time. The whole talbees (ploy) of shaytan in that was to make people think that memories of these people will benefit them.

In the same line, the ahadeeth also show that sahaba were clearly told not to make pictures of animate objects rather of trees and scenery. The distinction is important because such an advise can only contrast with making pictures of animate beings which are around them. This would be inclusive of people as well.

b. photo is a reflection.

A reflection by definition needs an real life, live object in that time and space to exist. Any impression of the real life object after the object has been removed is not reflection rather imprint. So photographs cannot be called reflection.

Final note : There are two derivation of the rulings in this case. One is the prohibition on tasweer from the sheer clarity of the text. And secondly on the Illah (causative factor).

For example, khamr (drinks from grapes and dates) is haram because the text says it is. Now if someone make a non alcoholic khamr, would it be permissible? No. It will still come under the same prohibition.

The second ruling is by way of causative factor. In khamr, it has been established by fuqaha to be intoxication. So the ruling will also follow onto other drinks which intoxicate. This prohibition may not be as strong in its essence as the first because of being derived, yet it is as strong in implementation.

In our case, the act of making tasweer has been prohibited. So by first way, that is prohibited from text.
In second case, any other medium which will result in the formation of tasweer (how advanced it may be) will also follow the same ruling.

I hope that is clarified.

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Final note : There are two derivation of the rulings in this case. One is the prohibition on tasweer from the sheer clarity of the text. And secondly on the Illah (causative factor).

For example, khamr (drinks from grapes and dates) is haram because the text says it is. Now if someone make a non alcoholic khamr, would it be permissible? No. It will still come under the same prohibition.

The second ruling is by way of causative factor. In khamr, it has been established by fuqaha to be intoxication. So the ruling will also follow onto other drinks which intoxicate. This prohibition may not be as strong in its essence as the first because of being derived, yet it is as strong in implementation.

In our case, the act of making tasweer has been prohibited. So by first way, that is prohibited from text.
In second case, any other medium which will result in the formation of tasweer (how advanced it may be) will also follow the same ruling.

I hope that is clarified.

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W.Salaam Br.Abuhajira,
Im glad to receive a response in time. Also i'm grateful for your explanation on the matter. What was most interesting is the subject you brought up as an example -Khamr. I know that this would not be the correct forum to discuss about the same as it is not the Topic but kindly elaborate. Is drinking ordinary date juice or grape juice haram? Non alcoholic? I need more information br.Abuhajira as i do drink packed fruit juices which include grapes & dates & if its haram then i need to stop. Waiting for your reply.