[Buhoutsoupfap]

According to an authentic Hadith, the Prophet was once leading the prayers while sitting due to some physical illness. It so happened that some muqtadis prayed standing. On finishing the prayers, the Messenger of Allah said that Imam is there to be followed, if he prays standing the Muqtadis should pray standing, if he prays sitting the Muqtadis too should pray sitting.
In the light of this Hadith one may ask if it is necessary to do rafa-yadain behind a Wahabi Imam?

[Garry Richardson]

According to an authentic Hadith, the Prophet was once leading the prayers while sitting due to some physical illness. It so happened that some muqtadis prayed standing. On finishing the prayers, the Messenger of Allah said that Imam is there to be followed, if he prays standing the Muqtadis should pray standing, if he prays sitting the Muqtadis too should pray sitting.
In the light of this Hadith one may ask if it is necessary to do rafa-yadain behind a Wahabi Imam?

Don't know which Hadeeth you are referring to but Rafa-Yadain isn't "necssary" EVER, it is classed as Sunnah.

And it doesn't really matter if you are praying individually or in congregation behind any Imam.

If you are a Hanafi then it is better to abstain from it EVEN if you are praying behind an Imam who considers it better to perform it.

Wahabi or Non-Wahabi has nothing to do with the issue.


http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/detraf.htm

[GooogleGuy]

Stop trying to be a mujtahid...

657. It is related from Anas ibn Malik, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, fell off his horse when riding, and his right side was grazed, so he did one of the prayers sitting down, and we prayed behind him sitting down. When he had finished he said, 'The Imam is appointed to be followed. If he prays standing, then pray standing, and when he goes into ruku', go into ruku', and when he rises, rise, and when he says, "Allah hears whoever praises him," say, "Our Lord, praise belongs to you," and if he prays standing, pray standing, and if he prays sitting down, then all of you pray sitting down.' " (Muwatta, Book 8, 17)

Humaydi said, "His words, 'If he prays sitting down, pray sitting down' referred to his earlier illness. Then after that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, prayed sitting down and the people behind him were standing and he did not order them to sit. It is the latest of the actions of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, which should be acted upon.'" http://www.sunnipath.com/Library/Hadith/H0002P0015.aspx

[Pmeidstc]

Rafa-Yadain isn't "necssary" EVER

I object to the word ever/never, because our Prophet did rafa-yadain at some point and it is not that he never/ever did it

[Meenepek]

I object to the word ever/never, because our Prophet did rafa-yadain at some point and it is not that he never/ever did it

With the utmost respect you have misunderstood my point.

By "necessary" I mean "obligation" and Rafa Yadain is classed as "Sunnah" and not as necessary i.e. not obligatory in Salah by anyone.

There are acts which are regarded as "Fardh (obligations)" and are therefore "necessary" in Salah and abstaining from them will render your Salah invalid.

Rafa Yadain doesn't fall in that category and thats all I am saying. If you disagree with the mater and regard Rafa Yadain as "necessary" or in other words "obligatory" or "Fardh" please provide your evidence.

[spamkillerf]

In the light of this Hadith one may ask if it is necessary to do rafa-yadain behind a Wahabi Imam?

Why are you specifying Wahhabis, when they are not the only ones to do rafa' al-yadayn?

[Noxassope]

Stop being paranoid, Abu Zakariyya. In Pakistan, where the OP comes from, the only people who do it are wahhabis.

[HonjUopu]

If you disagree with the mater and regard Rafa Yadain as "necessary" or in other words "obligatory" or "Fardh" please provide your evidence.

Of course, I don't.
But please brother, get rid of this "Who is Tahirul Padri tag?" Do not tow the line of the bloody sectarianists, we must work for unity among Muslims and even a dialogue and understanding between the Civilizations. Dr Tahirul Qadri is one of the Ulema who has perhaps tried to promote inter-civilization understanding; it is his own way of countering Islamophobia. You can at least allow him Husn-i-Zan, and not follow or promote hearsay/propaganda against him

[Teligacio]

Stop being paranoid, Abu Zakariyya. In Pakistan, where the OP comes from, the only people who do it are wahhabis.

What exactly am I being paranoid about?
The fact that I chose to give him advise about his ignorance, when the fact of the matter is that when people use "wahhabi" they don't mean something good?
I really don't care where the OP is originally from and I know plenty about Pakistan since my wife is from there. However, my first post wasn't confrontational at all. That is why I asked him a Question and then told him the truth.
Next time if you're going to address me do so in a way as to have husnul dhun and not accuse me of something, or don't at all, .

[JaK_MarkoV_Pi]

Of course, I don't.
But please brother, get rid of this "Who is Tahirul Padri tag?" Do not tow the line of the bloody sectarianists, we must work for unity among Muslims and even a dialogue and understanding between the Civilizations. Dr Tahirul Qadri is one of the Ulema who has perhaps tried to promote inter-civilization understanding; it is his own way of countering Islamophobia. You can at least allow him Husn-i-Zan, and not follow or promote hearsay/propaganda against him

look who's talking here .. brother you should edit your thread title as it might offend some people here. Not everyone doing rafa-yadain is a wahabi/salafi.
I don't see by using the term wahabi how you're not towing the line of the b****y sectarianists.

[MARMELADINA]

Of course, I don't.
But please brother, get rid of this "Who is Tahirul Padri tag?" Do not tow the line of the bloody sectarianists, we must work for unity among Muslims and even a dialogue and understanding between the Civilizations. Dr Tahirul Qadri is one of the Ulema who has perhaps tried to promote inter-civilization understanding; it is his own way of countering Islamophobia. You can at least allow him Husn-i-Zan, and not follow or promote hearsay/propaganda against him

Brother,

I have thoroughly read a lot of Material on Dr Saheb in Urdu and proceedings by High Court (Lahore) and I have read and evalauted his writings in Urdu and those of his group unfortunately I have no choice but to label this guy as "A Big Joker!"

[TepSteade]

But please brother, get rid of this "Who is Tahirul Padri tag?" Do not tow the line of the bloody sectarianists, we must work for unity among Muslims and even a dialogue and understanding between the Civilizations. Dr Tahirul Qadri is one of the Ulema who has perhaps tried to promote inter-civilization understanding; it is his own way of countering Islamophobia. You can at least allow him Husn-i-Zan, and not follow or promote hearsay/propaganda against him And Padri isn't a sectarian when he colloborates(and gets British money) with the kaafir Quilliam Foundation to issue a fatwa and attack the Deobandis and Salafis?!

[lionsiy]

Rafa Yadain doesn't fall in that category and thats all I am saying. If you disagree with the mater and regard Rafa Yadain as "necessary" or in other words "obligatory" or "Fardh" please provide your evidence.

http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/341

[VodsNittats]

http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/341

I happen to hear a lecture by Mumtaz-ul-Haq d.b where he said that when Imam Shafa'ee r.e.h went to visit the grave of Imam Abu Hanifa r.e.h he did not do rafayadain in his respect and honor.

If it were to be obligatory Imam Shafi r.e.h would not leave it on even a single occassion.

Can some provide proof of this incident if it is recorded somewhere ?

[ferelrossi]

No! As a muqtadi, you don't have to follow the imams posture that are not part of basics of salat i.e sujud, ruku, qiyam etc.
I don't raise hand when dua e nazjla is read out. I stand with my hands on the side although one can raise hand if they want!!

I occasionaly do rafayadin in Nafl salat away from public eyes as an act of sunnah just as I don't do rafaydin as an act of sunnah.
Allahualam

[Sopzoozyren]

Assalamu alaykum

Why is that a thread with its last post on 25-08-10 is reopened in ramadhan. Let mods spent their time in ramadhan in a better way.