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I am guessing but the different mussala were for preaching purposes maybe. So people from each mathab could gather around 'their mussala' to gather fiqh knowledge about their mathab in non salah times. You knew that if you wanted to hear about hanafi fiqh for example you went to the hanafi mussala and sat there.

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I am guessing but the different mussala were for preaching purposes maybe. So people from each mathab could gather around 'their mussala' to gather fiqh knowledge about their mathab in non salah times. You knew that if you wanted to hear about hanafi fiqh for example you went to the hanafi mussala and sat there.

this is still so in the haramain, you just need to know. however many of the triditional ulama are banned from teaching.

[Salliter]

Assalamu alaykum.

We salute the Saudi Wizarah for Haj for their arrangements during haj. But the discussion here is the false salafee propaganda regarding the four musallah. Our argument is that, you have removed the four musallah, (Dr Atiq sahib also agreed that four imams on turn leading the prayers is justified but not from four different musallah), but why have they retained only the hanbli Imams (and now salafee imams are added). Why is this discrimination against ahnaf and other 2 madhabs.

Secondly we are not demanding our share. We are happy praying behind the present Imams. We are not complaining against the saudi authorities. Our arguments are aimed at salafee brothers who are misleading the youth.

because saudi is a hanbali country. If I go to pakistan, wont the big state run mosques have a hanafi imaam? Do they take in turns to have a different imaam? It doesnt matter who the imaams is akhi, your their to get close to Allah and be with your brothers in faith from around the world. as long as the imaam recites qur'an correctly and has taqwa of Allah then it doesnt matter akhi.

If people are saying that there never used to be four simultaneous jamaa'aats then we need to analyse the narrations and proofs for and against the claim and so far, what narrations have been brought forward?

I find it strange that many on here have asked me not to judge sufis based on the laymen but then you criticise salafis based on their laymen akhi. There is a real lack of consistency by some brothers towards their treatment on salafis and I fear that some people have let their bias against salafis cloud their judgmement which has resulted in an unbalanced approach

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Assalamu alaykum

because saudi is a hanbali country. But there were imams from all madhabs before take over by present regime.

If I go to pakistan, wont the big state run mosques have a hanafi imaam? Do they take in turns to have a different imaam? Haram belongs to all muslims.


It doesnt matter who the imaams is akhi, your their to get close to Allah and be with your brothers in faith from around the world. as long as the imaam recites qur'an correctly and has taqwa of Allah then it doesnt matter akhi. Why didn't this message was not taken during regime change.


If people are saying that there never used to be four simultaneous jamaa'aats then we need to analyse the narrations and proofs for and against the claim and so far, what narrations have been brought forward? Khadimain haramain give the best arrangements and services to hajees. But there were incidents of gunfire and tanks entering the haram. There was fire tragedy in mina. It is unjust to quote these two incidents and ignore their other services.

Similarly, may be a for a short period some one took advantage of the differences among the madhabs; but it is unjust to quote these incidents (to drive people away from madhabs) and ignore the strong unity the madhabs had for 1400 years.
I find it strange that many on here have asked me not to judge sufis based on the laymen but then you criticise salafis based on their laymen akhi. There is a real lack of consistency by some brothers towards their treatment on salafis and I fear that some people have let their bias against salafis cloud their judgmement which has resulted in an unbalanced approach I am judging the salafees after viewing the tabarrah majalis of salafees stationed in saudia, hearing their audio cds and reading their tabarrah literatures. And I was a regular visitor to their forums and finally I have to leave since I was banned.

A request. Can we continue this discussion after Ramadhan.

[Saispapedlimi]

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Old picture of Haram with 4 Madhab Corners.
For many centuries there were four Mihraabs in the Haram. One for the followers of each Madhab to perform the daily prayers. Some say there were only three Mihraabs. Shafiees did not have one of their own.

Alhamdulilah, this divisive system has now been removed!

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From this thread I have gathered that prayers were not said 4 times, the 4 massalas only existed to enable people to learn their Fiqh.

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Alhamdulilah, this divisive system has now been removed!

[naturaherbal]

From this thread I have gathered that prayers were not said 4 times, the 4 massalas only existed to enable people to learn their Fiqh.

I heard from a few knowledgeable people that it was used for salaah and i also came across this in a book or magazine but that was a few years ago so its gonna be a bit of a job to find the source unless i can find it somewhere else on the net.

Wasalaam

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From this thread I have gathered that prayers were not said 4 times, the 4 massalas only existed to enable people to learn their Fiqh.

how did you learn this? Can you provide the source which was used to lead you to this conclusion? Was it a statement from a scholar from that time A deobandi scholar? Which reference was it that convinced you of this position? I wouldnt want you to go round saying something to everyone taht wasnt true so just want to make sure you actually came to this conclusion because some evidence was presented and not jst because someone said so because you will be made to look foolish in discussion otherwise

the image given by brother tuawlib appears to imply otherwise.

I woudnt want people opposing what the salafis did just because it was salafis who did it

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In matters of ikhtilaf, the adoption by the hakim, or khalifah, is the one followed in public and private by believers. In matters such as ibaadat wherein there are differences, the hakim may adopt a position and ulama of differing opinions are to follow it. The wise ruler avoids making too many adoptions which can stifle and suffocate ijtihad and Islamic thought.

Hence, khalif Abu Bakr rendered an adoption on talaq/divorce which ended the disagreements. Later, ummaya khalifa approached Imam Malik (rh) to adopt his Muwatta for application throughout the Islamic state, but he refused, saying that it was unwise and contrary to development in thought(ijtihad).

The Ottoman sultanate was not known for advancing ijtihad and Islamic thought. If they adopted a four madhadhib cyclical approach, it was likely an accomodating measure and future haakim and the Islamic state may not adopt such in the future.

Allah knows best.

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the image given by brother tuawlib appears to imply otherwise.

I woudnt want people opposing what the salafis did just because it was salafis who did it

Someone in this thread said that they took turns to lead the prayer from their own respective mussalas. I am not opposed to the salafi changes, just questioning that there were 4 seperate jamma for each prayer....which if true is divisive. Anyway someone asked if true that there were not 4 seperate jamma why were there 4 seperate mussalas....and we guessed that it may have been to teach Fiqh to different mathabs. Salafis have said that matahbs were divisive I want to know if this was generally true. To be honest I do not know I was hoping someone would shed some light. The picture with the 4 different musallahs only proves there were 4 different mussalahs not that 4 different jama salat took place.

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Rafa ya din is must in your salha. Because The Holy Prophet (SAW) do Rafa Ya din in your Salha.