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Dear Brothers, Assalaamoalaikum

I wish to notify everyone that something new is being associated with our main Ibaadah - Salaah.

Just prior to Iqama, Salaawat is sent on the Holy Messenger(SAW). In fact, it is as if we are associating Salaawat with Iqama.

Whilst there is nothing wrong with Salaawat itself, such association with Salaah is nothing but BID'A.

Tomorrow, we will be told that sending salaawat on the Holy Messenger(SAW) in between Thana and Surah Faatiha is permissible, if not commendable.

I am writing this just after moving out of a masjid at Zohr time when salaawat was read just prior to Iqama, although I had told the Imam last week that that was Bid'a.

Brotherly yours
farook

[SonicPs]

Dear Brothers, Assalaamoalaikum

I wish to notify everyone that something new is being associated with our main Ibaadah - Salaah.

Just prior to Iqama, Salaawat is sent on the Holy Messenger(SAW). In fact, it is as if we are associating Salaawat with Iqama.

Whilst there is nothing wrong with Salaawat itself, such association with Salaah is nothing but BID'A.

Tomorrow, we will be told that sending salaawat on the Holy Messenger(SAW) in between Thana and Surah Faatiha is permissible, if not commendable.

I am writing this just after moving out of a masjid at Zohr time when salaawat was read just prior to Iqama, although I had told the Imam last week that that was Bid'a.

Brotherly yours
farook

it is mentioned as recomended in some shafi' kutub, dont just jump the gun. the salawat before iqaamah is as sunnah as the salwaat after adhaan by some shafi' scholars.

[soyclocky]

What about the salawat before adhaan? Also, do the salawat directly address Rasoolullah as if he is present and watching?

In Pakistan (and possibly India), some masajid (of the Barelvi persuasion) say, "الصلاة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله الصلاة والسلام عليك يا حبيب الله" (and some variations of this) right before the adhaan loudly over the speakers and then the same is repeated for iqamah. When I was living in Pakistan (in the 90s), I don't recall ever hearing this before any adhaan but when I went back to Pakistan (particularly Karachi) around 2007, that was the first I heard of this.

[blenIgnigeSef]

Dear Brother SASLAMS and Brother abdulwahhab, Assalaamoalaikum

Jazakallah for your input.

I have been always attending Hanafi musjids in general, and musjids of other tendencies from time to time. I have never come across this practice.

It all started from the moment a young Hafiz landed at the masjid (Hanafi) I mentioned in my OP, for Tarawih - and he comes from India. So that confirms what Brother abdulwahhab has said. He must be of the extreme Barelwi tendency. In my country, up to now there is no Salaawat even prior to Azaan. After Azaan, yes - BUT that is on an individual basis.

When Salaawat is recited before Iqama, it is made compulsory as everyone present is, in a way, made to participate - whether one likes it or not. Thus it becomes Bid'a. Making a non-obligatory practice compulsory somehow, makes that practice Bid'a.

For 1433 years, Iqama has been read (with a certain variation depending upon madhab) in a certain way. Suddenly, someone decides that it should be preceded by Salaawat upon the Holy Messenger(SAW). The problem here is that we should look at it in a long term perspective. Do mark my words - extremism will sooner or later declare that it is commendable (not only permissible) to read Salaawat in between Thana and Surah Faaatiha, or before and after bowing and before and after sujood. This is where we are going. And thus, this new practice has to be stopped at embryonic stage.

I told the Imam not to use love of the Holy Messenger(SAW) as a pretext to commit Bid'a. In fact we are committing Bid'a on his (SAW) behalf. That simply cannot be.

There is ample time in between end of Sunnah and time for Fard prayers to send Blessings and Salaam on the Holy Messenger(SAW). We don't have to wait for Iqama to do that.

Once more, Jazakallah for your input.

Brotherly yours
farook

[irrawnWab]

Dear Brother SASLAMS and Brother abdulwahhab, Assalaamoalaikum

Jazakallah for your input.

I have been always attending Hanafi musjids in general, and musjids of other tendencies from time to time. I have never come across this practice.

It all started from the moment a young Hafiz landed at the masjid (Hanafi) I mentioned in my OP, for Tarawih - and he comes from India. So that confirms what Brother abdulwahhab has said. He must be of the extreme Barelwi tendency. In my country, up to now there is no Salaawat even prior to Azaan. After Azaan, yes - BUT that is on an individual basis.

When Salaawat is recited before Iqama, it is made compulsory as everyone present is, in a way, made to participate - whether one likes it or not. Thus it becomes Bid'a. Making a non-obligatory practice compulsory somehow, makes that practice Bid'a.

For 1433 years, Iqama has been read (with a certain variation depending upon madhab) in a certain way. Suddenly, someone decides that it should be preceded by Salaawat upon the Holy Messenger(SAW). The problem here is that we should look at it in a long term perspective. Do mark my words - extremism will sooner or later declare that it is commendable (not only permissible) to read Salaawat in between Thana and Surah Faaatiha, or before and after bowing and before and after sujood. This is where we are going. And thus, this new practice has to be stopped at embryonic stage.

I told the Imam not to use love of the Holy Messenger(SAW) as a pretext to commit Bid'a. In fact we are committing Bid'a on his (SAW) behalf. That simply cannot be.

There is ample time in between end of Sunnah and time for Fard prayers to send Blessings and Salaam on the Holy Messenger(SAW). We don't have to wait for Iqama to do that.

Once more, Jazakallah for your input.

Brotherly yours
farook

I don't think we can call it bid'ah outright unless someone is being forced to say it (i.e. being told it is fardh/wajib) or being told that it is sunnah (it isn't, according to the Hanafi madhhab). The bid'ah aspect is the wording of the salawaat because in the Arabic I have written earlier, Rasoolullah is being directly addressed, as if he is witnessing the salawaat. If someone is being forced to say it or if someone is saying that it is sunnah to do so (and that person is a Hanafi), then it would be bid'ah or if the words are against the beliefs of the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah, such as directly addressing Rasoolullah as if he is haazir/naazir, then it would also be a bid'ah.

[Bxbhtjnr]

What about the salawat before adhaan? Also, do the salawat directly address Rasoolullah as if he is present and watching?

In Pakistan (and possibly India), some masajid (of the Barelvi persuasion) say, "الصلاة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله الصلاة والسلام عليك يا حبيب الله" (and some variations of this) right before the adhaan loudly over the speakers and then the same is repeated for iqamah. When I was living in Pakistan (in the 90s), I don't recall ever hearing this before any adhaan but when I went back to Pakistan (particularly Karachi) around 2007, that was the first I heard of this.

for shafi's it is permissable but usualy salawaat is done after the adhaan & we can make it as loud as the adhan but its not a common practice. some masjids will only do it before jumuah & other only do it in the nights of ramadhan. saying Assalaam mu alayka is also permissable as you do say it like that in salah.

[realfan87]

for shafi's it is permissable but usualy salawaat is done after the adhaan & we can make it as loud as the adhan but its not a common practice. some masjids will only do it before jumuah & other only do it in the nights of ramadhan. saying Assalaam mu alayka is also permissable as you do say it like that in salah.

Our ulama do not allow us to say يا رسول الله outside of poetry or with the belief that Rasoolullah is present and listening, which is Barelvi belief and considered to be the belief of the Ahlul Bid'ah.

[mazabotman]

It all started from the moment a young Hafiz landed at the masjid (Hanafi) I mentioned in my OP, for Tarawih - and he comes from India. So that confirms what Brother abdulwahhab has said. He must be of the extreme Barelwi tendency. In my country, up to now there is no Salaawat even prior to Azaan. After Azaan, yes - BUT that is on an individual basis.

When Salaawat is recited before Iqama, it is made compulsory as everyone present is, in a way, made to participate - whether one likes it or not. Thus it becomes Bid'a. Making a non-obligatory practice compulsory somehow, makes that practice Bid'a. lets not assume that he Berelwi just because he is doing something different. i think you should ask him. India is a very big place, in the south (far south) in the "Mapila" areas Im sure you would find the salawaar read before the adhaan because there is alot of Yemeni influence in those parts & Sri Lanka.

Is iqaamah sunnah or wajib, for us its sunnah so if you say just because its said aloud it becomes wajib because everyone can hear it. sunnah stuff arent always made softly & wajib things are not always made loud. nobody is forcing anybody to make the salawaat, ask to give adhaan & iqamah & leave out the salawaat & then see how they react. & if they ask then say you didnt feel like & since its not sunnah it shouldnt be a problem.

[Nurse_sero]

Our ulama do not allow us to say يا رسول الله outside of poetry or with the belief that Rasoolullah is present and listening, which is Barelvi belief and considered to be the belief of the Ahlul Bid'ah.

Bidah jamaat name themselves as Sunni jamaat

Modern bidati call themselves as Salafis without following the Salafs.

La hawla wala quwwata illabillah

[hechicxxrr]

lets not assume that he Berelwi just because he is doing something different. i think you should ask him. India is a very big place, in the south (far south) in the "Mapila" areas Im sure you would find the salawaar read before the adhaan because there is alot of Yemeni influence in those parts & Sri Lanka.

Is iqaamah sunnah or wajib, for us its sunnah so if you say just because its said aloud it becomes wajib because everyone can hear it. sunnah stuff arent always made softly & wajib things are not always made loud. nobody is forcing anybody to make the salawaat, ask to give adhaan & iqamah & leave out the salawaat & then see how they react. & if they ask then say you didnt feel like & since its not sunnah it shouldnt be a problem.

i ve been to shafi masjid in Kerala and Tamil Nadu.. I think they dont do that

[Ccddfergt]

lets not assume that he Berelwi just because he is doing something different. i think you should ask him. India is a very big place, in the south (far south) in the "Mapila" areas Im sure you would find the salawaar read before the adhaan because there is alot of Yemeni influence in those parts & Sri Lanka.

Is iqaamah sunnah or wajib, for us its sunnah so if you say just because its said aloud it becomes wajib because everyone can hear it. sunnah stuff arent always made softly & wajib things are not always made loud. nobody is forcing anybody to make the salawaat, ask to give adhaan & iqamah & leave out the salawaat & then see how they react. & if they ask then say you didnt feel like & since its not sunnah it shouldnt be a problem.

He mentioned that the person was Hanafi. Hanafis that do such things are Barelvis since such a thing is not considered sunnah in our madhhab. Also, many Shafi'is in Pakistan (don't know about India) do not do this, most probably to differentiate themselves from the mubtadi'oon.

[ENCOSEARRALIA]

He mentioned that the person was Hanafi. Hanafis that do such things are Barelvis since such a thing is not considered sunnah in our madhhab. Also, many Shafi'is in Pakistan (don't know about India) do not do this, most probably to differentiate themselves from the mubtadi'oon.

then again its not something which is agreed upon by all shafi's so it wouldnt be practiced upon in a hurry. when reading the sharh of a kitaab Mukaddimah Hadhramiya my teacher read that its sunnah however some ulama say that its bida'h. he just said Astaghfirullah. & didnt want to comment further. in these actions most shafi ulama over look them in the places that they are practiced but wouldnt teach them outside of those areas. it will thus be seen as more of a custom than anything from the deen.

[wonceinee]

Bismillah

What Sidi Salslams says is correct.
Ibn Hajar al-Haytami mentions that it is mustahhab to recite salawat after the Adhan [which is backed by unambigious hadith], and after the Iqama. However, Imam Zaynuddin al-Malibari attributes to Imam al-Nawawi that it should be done before Iqama, and it has been said that this was a mistake on his part, and that what was meant is after the Iqama.


Wa Allahu a'lam.

[isogeople]

Bismillah

What Sidi Salslams says is correct.
Ibn Hajar al-Haytami mentions that it is mustahhab to recite salawat after the Adhan [which is backed by unambigious hadith], and after the Iqama. However, Imam Zaynuddin al-Malibari attributes to Imam al-Nawawi that it should be done before Iqama, and it has been said that this was a mistake on his part, and that what was meant is after the Iqama.


Wa Allahu a'lam.

This explains why you would find this practice in south india & Sri lanka.