[TineSeign]

Salam Alaikum,

Can someone brothers/sisters tell us what is going on there?

[slima]

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/paper/in...p?article=5876

http://bro-uk.org/v1/index.php?optio...id=1&Itemid=29

[M1zdL0hh]

The pathetic response from the Muslims is a good reminder of how splintered and fractured we are. Rather than stand up as one voice and defend our bros n sisters, we spend time bickering amongst ourselves while half the ummah knows nothing about Burma. This is why I feel myself gravitating toward al ikhwan al muslimeen. They band together and focus on the important things

[FredderiK]

I wonder how european Muslims will feel when it's us getting killed, our women raped, and the Muslims elsewhere just relax and get on with life as normal and bicker about where the qibla on the moon is.

Subhanallah how cheap Muslim blood is. Why 15million Jews get more outrage over a death of a Jew than 1.5billion Muslims over thousands dying daily. What's wrong with us?

[spineeupsenry]

Egyptians demonstrate against killing of Muslims in Myanmar


Almost 200 demonstrators stood in front of Myanmar's embassy in Cairo on Thursday to protest against recent deadly sectarian violence in the country in which huge numbers of Muslims were killed.

The protesters, coming from 6 April movement, Salafist groups, and the Muslim Brotherhood, called for the shutting down of the Embassy of Myanmar in Egypt.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...Muslims-i.aspx
The protesters said the killers of the Muslims are terrorists and raised banners reading, “Stop killing Muslims,” “Stop mass murder,”

There are wildly divergent estimates of the death toll from ethnic and religious violence in the Burmese state of Arakan.
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Mainstream media reports and the Burmese government are claiming that fewer than 100 people have been killed in violence they describe as clashes between the Buddhist Rakhine majority and Muslim Rohingya minority communities.
However, Rohingya sources estimate thousands of deaths from a planned campaign of violent ethnic cleansing by Burmese government forces. Rohingya sources say the regime has been instigating Rakhine mob violence as part of their campaign.
France 24 said on June 22: “More than 80 people have been killed and thousands displaced in a wave of violence between Muslims and Buddhists in west Burma.”
On June 21, the Burmese government put the death toll at 62, Associated Press reported.
But the National Democratic Party for Human Rights (NDPHR), a Rohingya political party that won four seats in the democratic 1990 Burmese elections, said on June 19: “The information from Arakan confirmed that the death toll of Rohingya has exceeded 10,000 from Sittwe city alone, and a few thousand from Maungdaw, Rathedaung and Kyauktaw townships.
“Most of them were shot dead, brutally beaten to death, burnt alive and the rest were those taken away by security forces into hidden areas.”
Reports on social media from Rohingya sources inside Arakan, such as the NDPHR, have been published in English on Malaysian-based website The Sail and the site of the Ethnic Rohingya Committee of Arakan in Malaysia.
These reports make a grim catalogue: along with mass killings, alleged atrocities include burning of villages, mass rape, mass arrests, torture, looting and extortion.
Rakhine mobs and armed Rakhine elements have been responsible for much of the violence, but the main perpetrators have been the military and paramilitary forces of the Burmese government: the police, the army, the navy and in particular the Nasaka border security forces.
There are also reports of clashes between Rohingya and Rakhine rioters and clashes between government forces and armed Rakhine groups.
The violence started on June 3 in Taungup township when 10 Rohingya bus passengers were beaten to death by a 300-strong lynch mob. For the preceding week, Buddhist extremist hate groups ― assisted by the local media in Arakan ― had been blaming Muslims for the May 28 rape and murder of a Rakhine woman in the village of Thabyaychaung.
This was used as a pretext to whip up violent anti-Rohingya sentiment.
The NDPHR said activists from the Wanthanu Rakheta Association were distributing anti-Muslim leaflets in Taungup on the morning of June 3 immediately before the lynching.
On June 18, three Rohingya men were sentenced to death for the May 28 rape and murder, Democratic Voice of Burma reported. One of the three, “accused of masterminding” the crime, had already died in custody (officially suicide), but death sentences can be given retrospectively under Burmese law.
Phil Robertson, head of the Asia division of Human Rights Watch (FRW), told DVB: “We condemn the imposition of the death penalty in all cases as cruel and inhumane treatment. But we’ve also had no access to information about this case, so there is no way to say whether the three men on trial are in fact guilty.”

Chris Lewa, Director of the Arakan Project, told DVB: “My concern would be whether there was any kind of proper judicial system. This was quite quick.”
More than a third of Burma’s population belongs to oppressed nationalities and dozens of national liberation struggles have been ongoing since Burma won independence in 1948. In the past, both Rakhine and Rohinhya armed groups have fought the Burmese government in Arakan, and sometimes each other.
No Rohingya groups have been involved in armed struggle for 10 years. The main Rakhine rebel group, the Arakan Liberation Party, entered peace talks with the government this year.
Successive US governments have had a strained relationship with Burma’s military rulers. The US even provides not-so-covert support to some of the insurgent groups.
However, a confidential October 10, 2002, cable from the US embassy in Rangoon ― published by WikiLeaks on August 30 last year ― repeats in good faith spurious allegations by Burmese military intelligence linking the Rohingya national movement with Osama bin Laden.
The same cable expresses scepticism at Burmese government charges of terrorism against other armed national movements.
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The Burmese government has used the anti-Islam bias in the “war on terror” narrative, which the West now uses to justify its wars, to delegitimise Rohingya self-determination to Western policy makers.
Reporting the current violence in Arakan, the Western media have generally repeated claims by the Burmese regime and Rakhine chauvinists that the Rohingya are not indigenous to Arakan, but are immigrants from Bangladesh or their descendants.
In reality, the Rohingya can trace their existence in Arakan as far back as the Rakhine can. There are records of Islamic political entities in Arakan more than a millennium ago.
Antipathy between different ethnic and religious groups was fostered by the British during the colonial period. In World War II, just before Burma won independence, Arakan was the site of some of the biggest clashes between the British and Japanese empires.
Intersecting with this conflict was Burma’s struggle for independence and many local conflicts. This resulted in large-scale violence between Japanese-armed Rakhine and British-armed Rohingya militias.
Both sides committed massacres of civilians, but the Rohingya bore the brunt of them. There was a large flow of Rohingya refugees to the nearest British territory: what is today Bangladesh.
Since independence in 1948, there have been anti-Rohingya pogroms in 1949, 1967-8, 1978 and 1991, sending more refugees to Bangladesh.
Encouraging Buddhist chauvinism and anti-Rohingya prejudice is the Burmese state’s political response to Rakhine nationalism. For its part, Bangladesh sees the Rohingya as illegal immigrants from Burma.

http://www.channel4.com/news/dangero...rgotten-people

[diutuartina]

Thanks for the links everyone.

What is worse is that they were not given refuge in Bangladesh. When some of them reached Bangladesh they were arrested and sent back to the killing zone.

What a shame!

[mynaflzak]

theyre pushing our people into a corner, and when theres a backlash, the whole world will sit up and our defeatist muslims will start apologizing, then the european leaders will humiliate the muslim communities into condemning "terrorism", dont hold ur breath we should have no expections from these kuffaar, even these 'peaceful' mushrik Buddhists are killing Muslims like rats now. The Bengali govt stands exposed, secular and
corrupt, Hindu stooges.

[Roxanjbra]

And sadly some Muslims want to deny that anything is happening there! Claiming that the rohingyas started it off. SubhanAllah. Or as so it seemed when I talked to somebody about it. Muslims should stop blindly trusting the media. How terrible is it that you leave your home country out of persecution and decide to go to your brother's country for shelter and then they themselves turn you back. Ya Allah. If the Bangladeshi government had trust in Allah then we hope that Allah would put barakah in the space of the land and there wouldn't have been an issue. We should always remember who is fa'il haqiqee, who is the real Doer and He is our Allah. Nowadays figures are so important to us, we forget that figures are not important, what's important is the barakah of Allah that can only be attained by taqwa and whatever He wishes...

[nikolapegayyyaasss]

Being 100% khaati Bangladeshi myself, it was really disappointing to see the govt's response. Imagine if India had done the same during 1971 (during the persecution by Pakistani forces).....

May Allah grant our leaders hidaayah and guide them to do what is in accordance with the Shari'ah.

[_tppga_]

Heart Breaking..

[cargo_brad]

bangladesh is next to it...pakistan has india in between and also indian ocean...the onus is on bangladesh but pakistan should do its bit too...put diplomatic pressure, call up the ISAF to go fight actual terrorists, put pressure on UN security council. why wont bangladesh and pakistan do anything substantial?

a) they fear the US and UN who will obviously put economic sanctions if they undertake any military operation (military action is not the best choice imho)

b) they do not care. the burmese are burmese first and muslims later. either way the liberals in both countries will point to minority killings in their own countries and say why dont we stop them 'first'? it is just an excuse to tone down the argument. fact is they just dont care about anyone who doesnt have the same nationality.

[vesiasmepay]

the job of the shariah govt is additionally to make an effort towards the safeguard of all muslims around the world. what could be done in burma is what ive stated above...not to mention asylum. one just needs leaders with knowledge of shariah and backbone.

[Gskdmidd]

bangladesh is next to it...pakistan has india in between and also indian ocean...the onus is on bangladesh but pakistan should do its bit too...put diplomatic pressure, call up the ISAF to go fight actual terrorists, put pressure on UN security council. why wont bangladesh and pakistan do anything substantial?

a) they fear the US and UN who will obviously put economic sanctions if they undertake any military operation (military action is not the best choice imho)

b) they do not care. the burmese are burmese first and muslims later. either way the liberals in both countries will point to minority killings in their own countries and say why dont we stop them 'first'? it is just an excuse to tone down the argument. fact is they just dont care about anyone who doesnt have the same nationality.

the onus is not just on pakistanis or bangladeshis, but the whole entire ummah inshAllah, not just governments either, every single muslim. We are too quick to blame governments whilst we ourselves do nothing. We should be protesting the burmese embassy, collcting money through islamic relief and UWT, influencing teh media, blogging, whatever we can inshAllah wherever we are.

Allahu a'lam but id imagine bangladesh didnt let them in as it would give countries with muslim minorities a green light to kick more muslims out in the same manner. instead we need to rpessure the burmese government to do something inshAllah to value the muslim citzens and protect them inshAllah

[saerensenatljn]

Egyptians demonstrate against killing of Muslims in Myanmar


Almost 200 demonstrators stood in front of Myanmar's embassy in Cairo on Thursday to protest against recent deadly sectarian violence in the country in which huge numbers of Muslims were killed.

May Allah (SWT) bless Egyptian people for standing up for their brethren in faith.
How is it that people, and I do mean Muslims, get worked up about environment and democracy and all that but they do not get worked up for which they naturally should? Aren't we one Ummah? Are made made ideals the only one to be taken to heart? Aren't we here in this world to be obedient to Allah (SWT)?

[oscilsoda]

the onus is not just on pakistanis or bangladeshis, but the whole entire ummah inshAllah, not just governments either, every single muslim. We are too quick to blame governments whilst we ourselves do nothing. We should be protesting the burmese embassy, collcting money through islamic relief and UWT, influencing teh media, blogging, whatever we can inshAllah wherever we are.

Allahu a'lam but id imagine bangladesh didnt let them in as it would give countries with muslim minorities a green light to kick more muslims out in the same manner. instead we need to rpessure the burmese government to do something inshAllah to value the muslim citzens and protect them inshAllah

some great individual advice.
though don't agree on the part about bangladeshi govt doing the right thing - whatever their reasons maybe.

[Adimondin]

the nerve of the secular nationalists!

in pakistan people are speaking out against those criticizing western media and western powers over the burmese massacre.

their arguments are:
- rohingyas are also killing buddhists
- pakistanis should first solve the ethnic violence in karachi and balochistan and the sectarian violence all over the country
- only after pakistan is safe should we speak out about burma.
- pakistan is getting destroyed because we have been worrying about muslims outside of pakistan too much.

this is extremist nationalism at its best.

[unioneserry]

Thanks for the links everyone.

What is worse is that they were not given refuge in Bangladesh. When some of them reached Bangladesh they were arrested and sent back to the killing zone.

What a shame!

Here's a video as a proof:

[LymnInvinny]

Salam Alaikum,

Can someone brothers/sisters tell us what is going on there?

It's been going on for years. Literally decades. The Muslims like the Rohingya did not even have the right to marry.

See here:

http://www.albalagh.net/current_affairs/0090.shtml
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...543198527.html

Muslims are oppressed in countries some of us have not even heard of but our people (majority of them) don't care and the ones who learn about stuff like this want to sign petitions and forward them to family and friends so they can feel like they did something whilst our sisters are raped and their bodies are burnt and their children are killed (OUR children).

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allâh, and for those weak, ill¬treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help.'' (translation/interpretation of Al Quran 4:75)

[Manteiv]

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allâh, and for those weak, ill¬treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help.'' (translation/interpretation of Al Quran 4:75)

Only this is the real solution which is told by our Creator and we run away from it! at the post!

[glopomcyte]

Heart Breaking..

thats not true the only ones saying that are the fake liberals like and those who belong to their circles theyre anything but nationalists they hate pakistan for uts ideological basis i see their BS on a daily basis and theyre anything but extreme nationalists.
The extreme nationalists are actually very in touch with the whole ummah concept and running pages on FB working on spreading awareness about Burma Syria and recently Kashmir after the Kashmir Torture Trail came out. We've been trying to get the media to highlighy the issues by we get snubbed as PTI trolls or mullahs etc.
There was a media conference today dont know if anyone heard the Social Media Mela of IndoPak and all the anti Pakistan secular scum attended it, they ended up cracking jokes on Kashmiris and their "poster boy" shakeel bhatt. There was an uproar on twitter. Oddly it was kashmirs yom e shahdah today. Theyre not loyal to pakistan or islam theyre loyal to india funny theyre mostly HR activists like beena sarwar byt she hasnt once spoken up for kashmir or burma. Hypocrite lot.

the nerve of the secular nationalists!

in pakistan people are speaking out against those criticizing western media and western powers over the burmese massacre.

their arguments are:
- rohingyas are also killing buddhists
- pakistanis should first solve the ethnic violence in karachi and balochistan and the sectarian violence all over the country
- only after pakistan is safe should we speak out about burma.
- pakistan is getting destroyed because we have been worrying about muslims outside of pakistan too much.

this is extremist nationalism at its best.