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Old 07-20-2012, 02:49 PM   #1
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Default To the non-Muslim: try fasting!
Perhaps fast near the end of Ramadhan when the day will be shorter? Break your fast at a local masjid or at a family home. During the day be the best person you can be! We can tell you what a typical routine is before dawn when you eat the pre dawn meal. You can make a quick prayer at dawn according to your belief and return to your warm bed!51
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:52 PM   #2
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try fasting
Upon advice from another thread, I started fasting today and will continue throughout Ramadan. I was also going to try and find a suitable Mosque to visit, but almost sank my car in the monsoon flooded streets, so that will have to wait for a dryer day.

I'm also trying to make my fast include not smoking, today was the first day in several years that I managed an entire day at the office without a cigarette. I'm not optimistic about my chances of keeping that up for the whole of Ramadan, but I'll give it my best shot
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:12 PM   #3
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I'm also trying to make my fast include not smoking, today was the first day in several years that I managed an entire day at the office without a cigarette. I'm not optimistic about my chances of keeping that up for the whole of Ramadan, but I'll give it my best shot
To those with knowledge..... if someone is trying to give up smoking during Ramadan, such as the individual above, is it permissible for individuals to use a system of withdrawal such as a nicotine patch? And since smoking is often also an oral fixation, yet fasting prohibits things such as sucking on mints, is it permissible for an individual to place a toothpick in the mouth?

I have never been a smoker, but I am just curious about the above.
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:31 AM   #4
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To those with knowledge..... if someone is trying to give up smoking during Ramadan, such as the individual above, is it permissible for individuals to use a system of withdrawal such as a nicotine patch? And since smoking is often also an oral fixation, yet fasting prohibits things such as sucking on mints, is it permissible for an individual to place a toothpick in the mouth?

I have never been a smoker, but I am just curious about the above.
In Islam, the fast is not broken by administering any sort of substance in a way that it does not enter the gut system (mouth, esophagus, stomach, intestines, colon, rectum). So, a nicotine patch is fine. Diabetics who require insulin injections are also able to administer this during fasting without issue. But of course, it is better to not do any of these during the actual fast. A person may even smoke after he breaks his fast after sunset if he must (although there is a big difference of opinion on the permissibility of smoking, with some scholars saying it is disliked to others saying it is forbidden so it is still best to avoid it since even the permissibility of it isn't without dislike).

Also, using a miswak would be better than a toothpick since it is a major sunnah as well.
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Old 07-21-2012, 10:14 AM   #5
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In Islam, the fast is not broken by administering any sort of substance in a way that it does not enter the gut system (mouth, esophagus, stomach, intestines, colon, rectum). So, a nicotine patch is fine. Diabetics who require insulin injections are also able to administer this during fasting without issue. But of course, it is better to not do any of these during the actual fast. A person may even smoke after he breaks his fast after sunset if he must (although there is a big difference of opinion on the permissibility of smoking, with some scholars saying it is disliked to others saying it is forbidden so it is still best to avoid it since even the permissibility of it isn't without dislike).

Also, using a miswak would be better than a toothpick since it is a major sunnah as well.
Thanks for the answer!
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:06 PM   #6
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Hello,

This RAmadan I am indeed trying to fast as much as possible. The days here in Vancouver are very long (3 AM to 9 PM) but I managed the first day OK. I don't know of a Mosque close by and searching Google for "Mosque Vancouver" didn't reveal any mosque with a website that could tell me what was happening so I broke my "fast" at home. Any help would be appreciated (especially beofre the weekend). I'll let you guys know how my experience at the mosque goes, if I end up going to one.

-Jason
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:09 PM   #7
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Hello,

This RAmadan I am indeed trying to fast as much as possible. The days here in Vancouver are very long (3 AM to 9 PM) but I managed the first day OK. I don't know of a Mosque close by and searching Google for "Mosque Vancouver" didn't reveal any mosque with a website that could tell me what was happening so I broke my "fast" at home. Any help would be appreciated (especially beofre the weekend). I'll let you guys know how my experience at the mosque goes, if I end up going to one.

-Jason
http://www.islamicfinder.org/prayerD...a&lang=english
http://www.salatomatic.com/sp.php?l=Vancouver

If there's no local mosque to break the fast use Skype and connect during Iftar to other fast breakers.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:16 PM   #8
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Hello,
This RAmadan I am indeed trying to fast as much as possible. The days here in Vancouver are very long (3 AM to 9 PM)
-Jason
3.00AM to 9.00PM............ Woweee!!!
If i was living in Vancouver i would have most certainly been blessed with a ramadhaan maut.

In South Africa (Johannesburg) the fast is from 5.30am - 5.40pm
So its twelve hours and ten minutes long, which means there's exactly 4hrs + 30mins left to iftaar : D *big halal smiley*

What about the other countries+towns? how long are your fasts?
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:23 PM   #9
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It's winter in SA though.. Summer fasts will be longer I reckon.
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Old 07-21-2012, 10:44 PM   #10
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It's winter in SA though.. Summer fasts will be longer I reckon.

Yup it is. But the longest fast (mid summer) here is 15 hours. Thats just 4 jozi tho, cape town and other provinces have longer days!
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:06 PM   #11
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In the UK our fast is between 18-20 hours in the summer. At the moment there is a lot controversy in the UK with regards to Sehri times due to very long days in the summer months. Some are starting their fasts after 3am and some saying its after 1.00am.

I kept my fast at 1.15 am to be on the safe side and will do iftari at 9.18pm today which makes it a 20 hours fast.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:57 PM   #12
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Here in the Netherlands there is also difference about the time of suhoor.
Between 01:00 and 03:45 am, fast will be broken at 09:45 pm today inshallah.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:53 AM   #13
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It is a bit of a mystery for me here too (Western Canada, southern region). Some places have Fajr starting at around 3:30 and others past 4:00. According to the calendar I'm following, Fajr is just before 3:00 a.m. Maghrib is at around 9:30. Fasting roughly 18.5 hours insha'Allah.

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Old 07-22-2012, 02:08 AM   #14
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Upon advice from another thread, I started fasting today and will continue throughout Ramadan. I was also going to try and find a suitable Mosque to visit, but almost sank my car in the monsoon flooded streets, so that will have to wait for a dryer day.

I'm also trying to make my fast include not smoking, today was the first day in several years that I managed an entire day at the office without a cigarette. I'm not optimistic about my chances of keeping that up for the whole of Ramadan, but I'll give it my best shot
mashAllah! great to know about that. Keep this intention that you are fasting for the sake of your Creator! to earn His pleasure. Its an Extremely blessed month. Get rid of the cigarette :P I know its difficult for you!
Brother, don't forget to make supplication to your Creator. Ask for guidance. Weep yourself out so that even the angels look down and say 'what's wrong this guy'.Brother are you following the links I gave? If the live transmission timings don't suit you then there is a repeat broadcast as well. Thing is that the Shaykh is covering the commentary of Quran mashAllah so it'll be a bonus package for you. Cause Quran cannot be understood merely by reading the translation. We need a teacher to explain things to us. may Allah reward you and bless you with guidance! aameen.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:17 PM   #15
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mashAllah! great to know about that. Keep this intention that you are fasting for the sake of your Creator! to earn His pleasure. Its an Extremely blessed month. Get rid of the cigarette :P I know its difficult for you!
Brother, don't forget to make supplication to your Creator. Ask for guidance. Weep yourself out so that even the angels look down and say 'what's wrong this guy'.Brother are you following the links I gave? If the live transmission timings don't suit you then there is a repeat broadcast as well. Thing is that the Shaykh is covering the commentary of Quran mashAllah so it'll be a bonus package for you. Cause Quran cannot be understood merely by reading the translation. We need a teacher to explain things to us. may Allah reward you and bless you with guidance! aameen.
Sadly the timing of the live broadcast didn't work out for me, but I'm planning to record the repeat broadcast on Thursday to make sure I don't miss it.

Still looking for a suitable mosque and scholar, but I've practiced saying Shahada in Arabic for three days now, so when I find a suitable time and place, I will be ready

Thanks once again for the links, advice and general support.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:45 PM   #16
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Sadly the timing of the live broadcast didn't work out for me, but I'm planning to record the repeat broadcast on Thursday to make sure I don't miss it.

Still looking for a suitable mosque and scholar, but I've practiced saying Shahada in Arabic for three days now, so when I find a suitable time and place, I will be ready

Thanks once again for the links, advice and general support.
Oh mashaAllah! btw brother in Ramdan the Quran Commentary is broadcasted live everyday mashAllah. The weekly Thursday program is for the rest of the months.
Great to know about Shahada, when you do so, do mention to Allah SWT this humble one's name as well.
About the scholars, I must say discuss with brothers here so that you don't land somewhere wrong. may Allah bless you with the noor of hidayah. Aamen. Enjoy the fasts Remember, the Suhor and Iftar times are special moments of acceptance of dua.
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