[arriplify]

Theres growing tension between the afghan puppet regime and Pak, to make matters worse Pak govt has plans to deny refuge to Afgans! Instead of rounding up the druglords n smugglers the govt takes the easy way out! Shameful to say the least, we need to stop this in sha Allah! This is our land too!


Pakistan plans to cancel refugee status for all Afghans living in the country at the end of this year, leaving some 3 million displaced people – the world's biggest cluster of refugees – facing possible expulsion to a country that many barely know.
Pushing the refugees into Afghanistan would be likely to create a new crisis for that country, already struggling with an insurgency and an economy almost entirely dependent on the western presence and the illicit drug trade.
The west is pressing Pakistan to reconsider its policy, which puts it at odds with the United Nations and other international partners. The international community and the Afghan government have no strategy prepared to deal with any such influx of people.
However, Pakistan's top administrator in charge of the Afghan refugee issue, Habibullah Khan, secretary of the ministry of states and frontier regions, told the Guardian that Islamabad would not relent. "The international community desires us to review this policy but we are clear on this point. The refugees have become a threat to law and order, security, demography, economy and local culture. Enough is enough," he said.
"If the international community is so concerned, they should open the doors of their countries to these refugees. Afghans will be more than happy to be absorbed by the developed countries, like western Europe, USA, Canada, Australia."
Pakistan has hosted Afghan refugees for more than 30 years, after they fled the Soviet invasion in the 1980s, the horrors of the civil war, Taliban rule and, most recently, the conflict triggered by the US-led invasion of the country in late 2001. Whole generations have grown up in Pakistan and do not know their homeland. It is the largest and longest-running refugee problem in the world.
There are currently 1.7 million Afghan refugees registered in Pakistan – more than half of them under 18 – of whom 630,000 live in camps. A further 1 million are estimated to be living in the country unregistered and therefore illegally.
"After 31 December 2012, there is no plan to extend the validity of the POR [proof of registration] cards of Afghan refugees. Those currently registered will lose the status of refugees. They will be treated under the law of the land. The provincial governments have already been asked to treat the existing unregistered refugees as illegal immigrants," said Khan.
Khan declined to spell out what would happen to the refugees after the end of the year but, if the policy sticks, they will all be in the country illegally and liable to be thrown out.
The UN is running a voluntary repatriation programme but it is making slow progress. So far this year, it has been able to entice just 41,000 people to return to Afghanistan, a slight increase on the 35,000 who returned in the first half of 2011. Since 2002, the UN has repatriated 3.7 million Afghans to Afghanistan, but the rate of return stalled in recent years as the war intensified, while it is likely that many of the returnees have slipped back into Pakistan, given that today there are almost as many Afghan refugees in Pakistan as there were in 2002.
Earlier this year, Baroness Amos, the former British cabinet minister who is now the UN humanitarian affairs chief, said she was "appalled" by the conditions for returning refugees, after visiting a camp for them in Kabul. Once they reach Afghanistan, returners are entitled to a one-off $150 (£96) per person from the UN.
Neill Wright, the Pakistan representative of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), said that the UN would still recognise registered Afghans in Pakistan as refugees after the end of 2012 under international law, "until a durable solution can be found".
"We hope that the government of Pakistan will continue to recognise them as refugees," said Wright. "Returning them to Afghanistan could destabilise the country further at a time when it is already experiencing instability from the drawdown of international forces."
While some Afghans have prospered in Pakistan, the poverty of the majority is obvious, even in Islamabad. On the outskirts of the city, opposite the huge and gleaming Metro supermarket where it is possible to buy everything from imported salmon to a washing machine, lies a little mud-shack settlement of Afghan refugees, all of them officially registered.
No one in the few dozen houses of Sorang Abadi village can read or write, none of their children goes to school, there is no electricity or water. Yet none wants to return to Afghanistan.
"I haven't stepped across the border in 30 years," said Sher Zaman, 62, originally from the northern Afghan province of Kunduz. "I don't even have a single room to go to in Afghanistan. I'm a poor man. I hope I can stay here and die here."

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/j...d&type=article

[Cigarsstoreonline]

ha ha id like to see someone try getting 1 million pashtoons out of balouchistans capital .. quite a sight to behold methinks .. the word "rout" comes to mind..
These are the people who deflected 3 superpowers in the last century, as simple semi-nomadic rural peoples..
Their bravery and sense of honour trumps any and all hi-tec military and sophistication the combined world can muster.

Proof is in the pudding, only muslim peoples to NEVER be conquered on earth is the pashtoons.. good luckers!!

good luck pakistan..shall see you in the aftermath..

[VUzgOhgv]

ha ha id like to see someone try getting 1 million pashtoons out of balouchistans capital .. quite a sight to behold methinks .. the word "rout" comes to mind..
These are the people who deflected 3 superpowers in the last century, as simple semi-nomadic rural peoples..
Their bravery and sense of honour trumps any and all hi-tec military and sophistication the combined world can muster.

Proof is in the pudding, only muslim peoples to NEVER be conquered on earth is the pashtoons.. good luckers!!

good luck pakistan..shall see you in the aftermath..

They deflected three super-powers? Alhamdulillah, of course, this is how tough they are.

Then let Pakstan's leaders send them home and they can get rid of US/NATO and Kharzai.

Any Afghani's reading, please don't take this the worng way, Pakstan is broke and could not afford to take care of its own let alone millions from another country. But somehow, it has done so under massive pressure and strain at home and from abroad, this is a blessing from Allah. Its time for Kharzai to deliver for his people and the wonderful new democratic Afghanistan to take care of its own. If there are any problems, US/NATO should pay for it and spend their resources sorting the problem. Pakstan is broke and has done as much as it can.

Allahu A'lam

[Kokomoxcv]

we cant send them into a war zone! besides doesnt the pak constitution say To Allah belongs all soverignty of pak land, this land belongs to muslims including afghans.
btw not all afghans are pashtun! These people can not be forcefullu expelled according to international laws. But the govt has given them the status of illegal immigrants means they'll be legit targets for harrassment by provincial govts. If Pak carries this threat out there'll be no difference between bangladesh govt who turned away rohingyas.

The fake liberals are of course over the moon. so called champions of HR.

[OwdBKKHO]

we cant send them into a war zone! besides doesnt the pak constitution say To Allah belongs all soverignty of pak land, this land belongs to muslims including afghans.
btw not all afghans are pashtun! These people can not be forcefullu expelled according to international laws. But the govt has given them the status of illegal immigrants means they'll be legit targets for harrassment by provincial govts. If Pak carries this threat out there'll be no difference between bangladesh govt who turned away rohingyas.

The fake liberals are of course over the moon. so called champions of HR.

Not forced-expulsion, but that very reason you mention is why they should be asked to leave, they will face harassment here. The only place they will have citizenship is in their own land, either they can stand and ask for their rights or they shall forever remain as refugees in another country. There are parts of Afghanistan which are safer than others for them to return to. Maybe near the capital. Besides, millions live in Afghanistan which has been a warzone for almost thirty two years, they get on with life and accept what Allah has promised them. Either they can go back or live for generations as refugees.
Pakstan has fulfilled its brotherly duty in this regard, the Afghans must make a stand for their own sake.

Allahu A'lam

[vdw4Epsi]

They deflected three super-powers? Alhamdulillah, of course, this is how tough they are.

Then let Pakstan's leaders send them home and they can get rid of US/NATO and Kharzai.

Any Afghani's reading, please don't take this the worng way, Pakstan is broke and could not afford to take care of its own let alone millions from another country. But somehow, it has done so under massive pressure and strain at home and from abroad, this is a blessing from Allah. Its time for Kharzai to deliver for his people and the wonderful new democratic Afghanistan to take care of its own. If there are any problems, US/NATO should pay for it and spend their resources sorting the problem. Pakstan is broke and has done as much as it can.

Allahu A'lam

lol i can't figure where to start replying to this post it is so wrong in so many places.
what did pakistan do when there was a shariah govt in afghanistan? did it help them in building industry or did it stand in the way because of its own vested interests? just because pakistan gave refuge to the afghans doesnt absolve the pakistan govt over the years for their part in destruction of afghanistan.

and 'wonderful new democratic afghanistan under karzai'?
are you serious?

this is im sorry a very very naive post and shows lack of knowledge about af-pak politics.

[irresseni]

Pakstan has fulfilled its brotherly duty in this regard, the Afghans must make a stand for their own sake.

please. this is sheer callousness. pakistan sold out the entire afghan government to NATO even though pakistan was among the three countries to recognize it! pakistan sold their people for some petty dollars to rot in guantanamo. and pakistan played a part in getting the afghans under a puppet government with karzai as its head and US controlling the strings. the afghans are humiliated because that govt takes dictation from US over everything. toothless, spineless, unable to defend its people, unable to implement shariah, dependent upon US for scraps, no sovereignty no honor.
and after all that people can think pakistan fulfilled its brotherly duty?

[Oriesssedleli419]

im pretty sure the 'wonderful democratic' part was sarcasm.
Point is, pakistan's ideology is based on Islam so we have every right to oppose this ridiculous move. Pakistan foreign policy has been one big blunder after another, karzai has been a douchebag and enemy of pak but that doesnt mean pak govt takes it out on the refugees who belong to pak just as much as we do. There must be a campaign to stop the pak govt from disrupting the lives of afghan refugees.

[egoldhyip]

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Pakstan has fulfilled its brotherly duty in this regard, ...

Are you being serious or sarcastic?

If it is the former, then you have probably neither from Afghanistan nor "Pakistan", or have been grossly misinformed/brainwashed.

[ivandiadser]

lol i can't figure where to start replying to this post it is so wrong in so many places.
what did pakistan do when there was a shariah govt in afghanistan? did it help them in building industry or did it stand in the way because of its own vested interests? just because pakistan gave refuge to the afghans doesnt absolve the pakistan govt over the years for their part in destruction of afghanistan.

and 'wonderful new democratic afghanistan under karzai'?
are you serious?

this is im sorry a very very naive post and shows lack of knowledge about af-pak politics.

Wonderful new democratic government

I guess you don't do sarcasm brother?

No they did not help build industry. They hardly have any industry of their own - what on earth are they supposed to offer? Anyway, they spent too much time trying to influence and effect the Taliban into power - which actually was a stabilising force. The Taliban could have made change if they were given more time. I believe the Taliban wanted to create opportunities and education for woman but only after they had secured the state and the war with Northern Alliance was over. They wiped out opium trade in areas held under them - this is universally accepted, clearly they had objectives. This was all done with the help and support from Pakistan. Unfortanately, Afghans just happened to be at the thick end of US agression shortly after. Your right, politics and the blunt 'with us or against us' attitude from the US made Pakistan leaders tow the US line. Every other nation at the time would have done the same.

It is not Pakistan's sole responsibility when the US and Karzai administration - voted into power by Afghans - are in control. What have the US done in the last 11-12 years? Built industry? 11-12 years is quite a bit of time to get things done.

The only industry they have built back-up is opium trade. Karzai's half-brother was believed to be involved with this. What hope is there when the people vote guys like that into power.


Allahu A'lam

[Trotoleterm]

Are you being serious or sarcastic?

If it is the former, then you have probably neither from Afghanistan nor "Pakistan", or have been grossly misinformed/brainwashed.

My comment may seem like a sweeping statement. What I meant is that in terms of taking in Refugees, it has done its part as a brother. How many other nations have taken on so many millions while fighting a war on their own ground, under severe poressure from abroad? Yes, the army and political leaders have made terrible mistakes. But do you believe any other type of government would have done any different? Just keep things in perspective.

What happened to MMA? That shows you where peoples priorities are.


Allahu A'lam

[jerzeygymwolf]

please. this is sheer callousness. pakistan sold out the entire afghan government to NATO even though pakistan was among the three countries to recognize it! pakistan sold their people for some petty dollars to rot in guantanamo. and pakistan played a part in getting the afghans under a puppet government with karzai as its head and US controlling the strings. the afghans are humiliated because that govt takes dictation from US over everything. toothless, spineless, unable to defend its people, unable to implement shariah, dependent upon US for scraps, no sovereignty no honor.
and after all that people can think pakistan fulfilled its brotherly duty?

Akhi, keep things in perspective

The Pakistani, Saudi and Emirati governments after 911 had NO Choice but to close their Afghan/Taliban embassies. Otherwise they would almost certainley have suffered themselves. The US was ready to fight anyone at that point. You may call it a sell-out, in the ugly reality that westerners call 'real politique' someone in that position would have no choice but to think about number 1. That does not justify it and it would have been better to see solidarity from Muslim nations. And yes, it was a terrible day when the Taliban were ousted, but the future for Afghans can only be made better if they go back and take charge of the situation on the ground in their country. They have removed great foes in the past, they will do it again IA.

Allahu A'lam

[Njxatsbf]

Bro mh, agree with some of ur post but this part, ur taking ur pak bashing too far. There is a sizable population of Afghans who are more to blame than Pakistan. Pak had nothing to do with karzais govt, he's been a thorn for pak and remains so. Yet Afghans vote, dont they? ANA isnt comprised of pakistanis, not all Afghans are Pushtoon. And yes Pakistan has helped Afghan in the past, denying that is just as ridiculous as denying pak didnt betray them. Which it did. To save its own skin or whatever, it was the biggest blunder thats costing us all dearly.

Wonderful new democratic government

I guess you don't do sarcasm brother?

No they did not help build industry. They hardly have any industry of their own - what on earth are they supposed to offer? Anyway, they spent too much time trying to influence and effect the Taliban into power - which actually was a stabilising force. The Taliban could have made change if they were given more time. I believe the Taliban wanted to create opportunities and education for woman but only after they had secured the state and the war with Northern Alliance was over. They wiped out opium trade in areas held under them - this is universally accepted, clearly they had objectives. This was all done with the help and support from Pakistan. Unfortanately, Afghans just happened to be at the thick end of US agression shortly after. Your right, politics and the blunt 'with us or against us' attitude from the US made Pakistan leaders tow the US line. Every other nation at the time would have done the same.

It is not Pakistan's sole responsibility when the US and Karzai administration - voted into power by Afghans - are in control. What have the US done in the last 11-12 years? Built industry? 11-12 years is quite a bit of time to get things done.

The only industry they have built back-up is opium trade. Karzai's half-brother was believed to be involved with this. What hope is there when the people vote guys like that into power.


Allahu A'lam

[cheaploans]

Bro mh, agree with some of ur post but this part, ur taking ur pak bashing too far. There is a sizable population of Afghans who are more to blame than Pakistan. Pak had nothing to do with karzais govt, he's been a thorn for pak and remains so. Yet Afghans vote, dont they? ANA isnt comprised of pakistanis, not all Afghans are Pushtoon. And yes Pakistan has helped Afghan in the past, denying that is just as ridiculous as denying pak didnt betray them. Which it did. To save its own skin or whatever, it was the biggest blunder thats costing us all dearly.

i don't contest any of the above you have said nor do i deny pakistan's help. however i am not going to apologize for the nationalists who help afghanistan but with their theory of 'pakistan first' which consequently leads them to dump the 'help of afghanistan' when their 'national interests' are fettered.

[drugsprevi]

The more earlier these accursed borders and nation states are erased from the Muslim ummah the better it would be for Islamic brotherhood.All muslims are one nation ie Ummah and no muslim is an alien or foreigner in another muslim land.The ideology of nationality based on nation state is nothing but pure Asbiyyah.
Moreover Pakistan being a self declared Islamic state (though in name only) should open its borders to every muslim whi wants to come and settle in Pakistan.
Allah Taala is the provider of rizq to his slaves not Pakistan or Saudi or UAE if someone thinks who will feed and accomodate so many people.
Rather i would say the whole Muslim world incl Pakistan should have opened their borders for the oppressed muslims of Myanmar,Syria,Afg and any place where muslims are suffering which is the real demand of Iman.