[DiBellaBam]

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum,

It is understood that wherever we have muslims and a mosque in this world, salaat is prayed within the correct period. Some pray at the start of the perio, others later. So long as one is within the agreed upon period, then jama'a is definitely more important.

Brotherly yours
farook

Yes as long as the time of salat is correct

[9Goarveboofe]

All these issue have been disscussed and resolution are listed in Wafiqul ulema site. Just visit the ifta section. It is pretty simple really! No need to make a new wheel or disscussion.

[Tamawaipsemek]

opinion of shaykh haytham

http://www.islam21c.com/islamic-law/...m_medium=email

seems to be in agreement with wifaqul ulama??

[ggiifdfalls]

This is what my masjid used for isha:

1 January – 5 March Astronomical Twilight (18°)
6 March – 8 October One Seventh of Night (Suba-Al-Lail)
9 October – 31 December Astronomical Twilight (18°)

That is what I meant. Where is the justification to follow the second calculation method (dividing the night in 7 parts) in August, September and October, when 18 degrees and 15 degrees are clearly entering in that particular city? How can you use alternative calculations when the time of Isha is still entering?

Who from the Ulama has allowed that and based on what classical texts?

The same Ulama who hammer on 18 degrees for Fajr are very soft when it comes to following 15/18 degrees for Isha.

[Zzvukttz]

That is what I meant. Where is the justification to follow the second calculation method (dividing the night in 7 parts) in August, September and October, when 18 degrees and 15 degrees are clearly entering in that particular city? How can you use alternative calculations when the time of Isha is still entering?

Who from the Ulama has allowed that and based on what classical texts?

The same Ulama who hammer on 18 degrees for Fajr are very soft when it comes to following 15/18 degrees for Isha.

Are you aware of any ulema that have dealt with the queries you have raised, because they certainly seem to be a valid concern? If so, please share what they have advised. I too am quite confused regarding this, in that when I know 'isha falls very late and the masjid do jamaah very early in comparision - is it better for me to pray at home or at the masjid?

[ambientambien]

Are you aware of any ulema that have dealt with the queries you have raised, because they certainly seem to be a valid concern? If so, please share what they have advised. I too am quite confused regarding this, in that when I know 'isha falls very late and the masjid do jamaah very early in comparision - is it better for me to pray at home or at the masjid?

I only know of Mufti Rafi and Mufti Taqi, and the rest of the Muftis of Dar al-Ulum Karachi who stated in an answer to the people in Leicester, that it is still obligatory to follow 15 degrees for Isha, and one is not allowed to go below 15 degrees. He does say one is allowed to act upon another madhhab in order to combine maghrib and isha when Isha time enters very late. The fatwa was put online here: http://www.wifaqululama.co.uk/18-deg...eicester-.html

I know Mufti Taqi visited UK and I am still wondering whether he changed his stance or not. I have been desperate to know his stance about this issue. Did he make up his prayer or not since ALL mosques in UK do NOT abide with 18/15 degrees.

I only see a leeway within the Hanbali madhhab, because they are mild when it comes to the reasons of combining prayers.

[wpFWNoIt]

I only know of Mufti Rafi and Mufti Taqi, and the rest of the Muftis of Dar al-Ulum Karachi who stated in an answer to the people in Leicester, that it is still obligatory to follow 15 degrees for Isha, and one is not allowed to go below 15 degrees. He does say one is allowed to act upon another madhhab in order to combine maghrib and isha when Isha time enters very late. The fatwa was put online here: http://www.wifaqululama.co.uk/18-deg...eicester-.html

I know Mufti Taqi visited UK and I am still wondering whether he changed his stance or not. I have been desperate to know his stance about this issue. Did he make up his prayer or not since ALL mosques in UK do NOT abide with 18/15 degrees.

I only see a leeway within the Hanbali madhhab, because they are mild when it comes to the reasons of combining prayers.

not sure if this helps but in this article from last year shaykh haytham wrote
I have recently discussed the issue with Mufti Taqi Uthmani (in the company of other scholars) who stated that he himself along with 99% of the scholars of the Indian sub-continent viewed the 18 degree formula to be the correct calculation for prayer times.

[bWxNFI3c]

I only know of Mufti Rafi and Mufti Taqi, and the rest of the Muftis of Dar al-Ulum Karachi who stated in an answer to the people in Leicester, that it is still obligatory to follow 15 degrees for Isha, and one is not allowed to go below 15 degrees. He does say one is allowed to act upon another madhhab in order to combine maghrib and isha when Isha time enters very late. The fatwa was put online here: http://www.wifaqululama.co.uk/18-deg...eicester-.html




I know Mufti Taqi visited UK and I am still wondering whether he changed his stance or not. I have been desperate to know his stance about this issue. Did he make up his prayer or not since ALL mosques in UK do NOT abide with 18/15 degrees.

I only see a leeway within the Hanbali madhhab, because they are mild when it comes to the reasons of combining prayers.

Hope someone can clarify what is to be done if all the local mosques pray 'isha before 15 degrees - is it better to pray at home in that case?

[Maydayvar]

not sure if this helps but in this article from last year shaykh haytham wrote

Yes this is known. But it would be impractical to pray according to those degrees since it would you should pray for 20 days around 1AM.

Not a single mosque does that. Now Mufti Taqi had some gatherings over here so I am curious to know what his personal practice was...

[LomodiorCon]

By the way, our Barelwi brethren believe that the red light disappears at 12 degrees. So according to them, Isha starts at 12 degrees and some of them follow this opinion during summer because of hardship.

I believe a minority amongst the Deobandis have the same opinion.

[funnyPasds]

By the way, our Barelwi brethren believe that the red light disappears at 12 degrees. So according to them, Isha starts at 12 degrees and some of them follow this opinion during summer because of hardship.

I believe a minority amongst the Deobandis have the same opinion.

In North America, it was empirically shown that Isha time does not start before 15 degrees but many of the Deobandi masjids in Toronto pray Isha following the 12 degree time because of the same reason: "hardship", even though the difference in time is at most 30 minutes.

[Phlkxkbh]

In North America, it was empirically shown that Isha time does not start before 15 degrees but many of the Deobandi masjids in Toronto pray Isha following the 12 degree time because of the same reason: "hardship", even though the difference in time is at most 30 minutes.

The mosques in Canada have no excuse to start Isha before 15 degrees. The times are easy to follow and there is no hardship involved if Isha is around 10:30/45.

You have mosques in Europe who start their Isha prayer at 12.

But the question remains about Isha times in UK and elsewhere when there is real hardship involved but 18/15 degrees is still entering.

Is the use of alternative calculations still allowed then? Someone please ask this question to some big Muftis in Pak/Hind.

[StarsWorld]

Can someone please help end the confusion for me? I had been using Islamic Finder but just downloaded Accurate Times and the prayer times are very, very different. Based on feedback on the forum, it seems Accurate Times is more, well, accurate.

Question: what should I set my preferences to (on Accurate Times)? Currently, I have twilight set for ISNA (18 degrees?), Asr prayer according to Hanafi madhab, and summer-time enabled.

[Mjyzpzph]

18 degrees is fine. Hanafi time for Asr.

You can also use 15 degrees for Isha since it is a valid opinion to follow when there is hardship.

[ServiceColas]

[catermos]

The mosques in Canada have no excuse to start Isha before 15 degrees. The times are easy to follow and there is no hardship involved if Isha is around 10:30/45.

You have mosques in Europe who start their Isha prayer at 12.

But the question remains about Isha times in UK and elsewhere when there is real hardship involved but 18/15 degrees is still entering.

Is the use of alternative calculations still allowed then? Someone please ask this question to some big Muftis in Pak/Hind.

You can read their reasoning and verdicts here:
http://www.hilalcommittee.com/TOprayertimes.html

Here's the opposing side, who say that 15 degrees should be followed for Isha in summer time and 18 degrees for Fajr:
http://ccmt.jucanada.org/prayer.aspx...ronto_area_gta

Both are Deobandi committees in essence.

[Caliwany]

Please remember that Canada is a huge area. Where I'm located, Isha (at 15 degrees) isn't until almost 11:45 p.m. At 18 degrees it isn't until after 12:30 a.m. Other parts of Canada, such as Yellowknife, are looking at praying Maghrib at around 11:00 p.m. (continuous daylight for a number of months).