[shiciapsisy]

Aha! An intelligent one comes forth bringing with him books weightier than the collective experience and wisdom of our Ulema.

Do you know that if it becomes fard al-Ayn, then it becomes one of the if not the highest priority obligations in Islam? Do you know that if it is so, one must march light or heavy, one goes regardless of permission from their parents, the debtor goes without the permission of the creditor, the woman without permission from her husband, and so on ...

Did you just implicate countless Ulema, Honorable Mashaikh, Awliyaa, other righteous members of the Ummah of Rasoolullaah saw, and the general 'awaam of open fisq, cowardice, and even the rejection of such a fard al-Ayn (that includes you too buddy)? If that's what you believe, and that's what you just did ... someone please ban him.

Do you believe it is fard al-Ayn, or are you just trying to be emotional, or to bait people into heated comments? If you really do believe it is fard al-Ayn and your hereafter is in question because of not acting upon it - why are you here? Seriously, why tippy-toe on the precipice of making your other ibaadaat baatil if that's what you believe?

Last post, seriously, really, I promi....

Short answer- Yes

Longer answer- did you read the book? It was written by Shaykh Azzam, a man whose expertise in jihad is questioned by no one. Go and ask your reliable scholars on his stature and his fataawa. Secondly, this books was signed by many people including Deobandi's. Thirdly, this book directly quotes the fataawa of all four madhabs on the issue! Go and ask your Mufti's with regards to this and see what they say!

All four madhabs agree that jihad is Fard Ayn when a Muslim land is invaded. And let me give you an example of how it works. Palestine is put under occupation- Jihad becomes Fard on all in the region. Days, weeks, years pass and it is still under occupation and the obligation extends to surrounding regions and decades pass and without doubt, by this time, the obligation has extended all over the world. This is from the books of your own ulema, or are you not a Hanafi as your profile states? Please come and discuss the issue from a fiqh perspective instead of giving me this 'do you think the Ulema are wrong' emotional type of argument that lacks logic or reason. Are you saying Ulema do not commit mistakes or sins? Seriously?

It is Fard Ayn, deal with it, it is in your own books and if you wish to say it is NOT Fard Ayn, then explain the statements of Ibn Abidin and Al Qurtubi and Ibn Taymiyyah which are found in Shaykh Azzam's book

[Buincchotourb]

Did you just implicate countless Ulema, Honorable Mashaikh, Awliyaa, other righteous members of the Ummah of Rasoolullaah saw, and the general 'awaam of open fisq, cowardice, and even the rejection of such a fard al-Ayn (that includes you too buddy)? If that's what you believe, and that's what you just did ... someone please ban him.
Originally Posted by ahmad12 Short answer- Yes

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Ibn Aabidin said
: "Jihad becomes Fard Ayn if the enemy attacks one of the
borders of the Muslims, and it becomes Fard Ayn upon those close by. For those who are
far away, it is Fard Kifaya, if their assistance is not required. If they are needed, perhaps
because those nearby the attack cannot resist the enemy, or are indolent and do not fight
jihad, then it becomes Fard Ayn upon those behind them, like the obligation to pray and
fast. There is no room for them to leave it. If they too are unable, then it becomes Fard
Ayn upon those behind them, and so on in the same manner until the jihad becomes Fard
Ayn upon the whole Ummah of Islam from the East to the West".
And the following have like Fatawa: Al Kassani
, Ibn Najim
and Ibn Hammam


1. This quote shows that jihad CAN become Fard upon the ENTIRE Ummah otherwise why would it have been discussed?
2. Since people HAVE been lazy and indolent and left jihad, and the help of Muslims from lands from all over the world is needed and has been needed for CENTURIES, not just decades, applying this fatwa means jihad is Fard Ayn upon all.

[aburva.org]

You want me banned because you can't explain away the quotes? You want me banned because Allah has ordained fighting and you refuse to accept that YOU are ordered to it too? The fataawa from all four madhabs are there- but if you want to bury your head in the sand and hide behind your Ulema whilst they discuss the length of the beard as the Muslims are massacred en masse- go ahead.

And if the mods want to ban me, they will. And I will not care since there are more important things in life to worry about

[9V4i8xw1]

And if the mods want to ban me, they will. And I will not care since there are more important things in life to worry about

The mods won't ban you because they want to. However, they should ban you for flaunting the rules of this forum, and acting in a ban-worthy way. Insha'Allaah you being banned will help you with focusing on all those other important things in life. If they do ban you, and you want to send me a hadiya for freeing up your time, I would encourage you to send it to to a local Muslim charity instead.

[Neitteloxesia]

but if you want to bury your head in the sand and hide behind your Ulema

Ahh yes, that's the beauty of having Ulema and the burden of being one of them, the are hide-behind-worthy . Food for thought for any aspiring muftis ...

[Investblogger]

Ahh yes, that's the beauty of having Ulema and the burden of being one of them, the are hide-behind-worthy . Food for thought for any aspiring muftis ...

At least ask them if it is Fard Ayn or not before thinking they do not believe it to be so. If they say it is not, please let us know and if you can, ask them about these quotes and how they are to be explained

[Rqqneujr]

At least ask them if it is Fard Ayn or not before thinking they do not believe it to be so. If they say it is not, please let us know and if you can, ask them about these quotes and how they are to be explained

What good will it do for me to ask these so-called Ulema (in your eyes) who, according to you, don't seem to have time between discussing the beard, niqaab, miswaak, length of trousers, and hoors to address one of the greatest individual obligations in our deen?

How about you, and your Ulema? How did you go about asking them, because it seems that you are comfortably sitting at home, and your Ulema-e-Haq must be on the battlefield, right? Satellite phone, skype? Or, do your Ulema consider themselves to be so important and among those necessary privileged few who must stay behind to preserve the deen from complete annihilation (wait a second, are we even at that extreme stage)? Or, have they confided to you that they are guilty of neglecting a Fard al-Ayn themselves ... in which case, would you even trust them? Would you trust a so called member of the Ulema who doesn't even pray? You're in a tight situation buddy.

Or is it that you haven't talked to any Ulema at all, or perhaps one or two fiery ones?

[DiatryDal]

What good will it do for me to ask these so-called Ulema (in your eyes) who, according to you, don't seem to have time between discussing the beard, niqaab, miswaak, length of trousers, and hoors to address one of the greatest individual obligations in our deen?

How about you, and your Ulema? How did you go about asking them, because it seems that you are comfortably sitting at home, and your Ulema-e-Haq must be on the battlefield, right? Satellite phone, skype? Or, do your Ulema consider themselves to be so important and among those necessary privileged few who must stay behind to preserve the deen from complete annihilation (wait a second, are we even at that extreme stage)? Or, have they confided to you that they are guilty of neglecting a Fard al-Ayn themselves ... in which case, would you even trust them? Would you trust a so called member of the Ulema who doesn't even pray? You're in a tight situation buddy.

Or is it that you haven't talked to any Ulema at all, or perhaps one or two fiery ones?

The post above is exactly why I dislike Ulema not speaking the Haq regarding this subject- you get individuals like Vagabond who think jihad is not an obligation upon them and they respond with irrational thinking such as that above. We could have a long argument about this bro but I refuse to do so. Not unless you first explain to me the passages of the classical Ulema on this issue and only once you do so, will I continue to speak with you about this. Otherwise, you are disingenuous, a man who claims to be a Hanafi muqallid yet disregards classical Hanafi opinions regarding qitaal because his own Ulema are too scared to fight jihad or to speak on the subject itself.

Remember, that the Ulema of Shaam never mentioned jihad either (majority of them) and now they cry for it. Staying silent on it is not the same as not believing in its obligation.

And I think that just as the people of Iraq ran from qitaal, qitaal came to them and just as the people of Pakistan ran from qitaal, qitaal is coming to them and just as you run from qitaal, perhaps qitaal will come to you, in the form of an oppressor and you too will scream out for a helper from your Lord and perhaps then too, someone will sit on the other side of the world talking about sending money and how jihad is not fard upon him despite the clear quotes from classical Ulema on the subject

[10traistintarry]

:
You and your scholars are wimps.
So and so classical work who's matn or sharh I can't read or comprehend says so and so!
Qital is coming your way because you're a wimp...
Yada yada yada

Or is it that you haven't talked to any Ulema at all, or perhaps one or two fiery ones?

Got my answer bro.

[jhfkgkfdvjk]

Got my answer bro.

By putting words into my mouth, you have slandered me. I will take my recompense from you

[dfuzioniag]

By putting words into my mouth, you have slandered me. I will take my recompense from you

You're right. I edited my post. Happy? Sheesh, I thought it was funny. And btw, It's pretty much exactly what you said
Btw, you are by definitin unreliable individual. You acknowledge that you do not perform something that is fard al-Ayn upon you.
It doesn't behoove a Muslim to take knowledge from such a person. Who knows what interpretation/spin/agenda they are putting on the issue. May Allaah save us all.

[bushomeworkk]

You're right. I edited my post. Happy? Sheesh, I thought it was funny. And btw, It's pretty much exactly what you said
Btw, you are by definitin unreliable individual. You acknowledge that you do not perform something that is fard al-Ayn upon you.
It doesn't behoove a Muslim to take knowledge from such a person. Who knows what interpretation/spin/agenda they are putting on the issue. May Allaah save us all.

No, it is not pretty much exactly what I said. Secondly, I did not give you knowledge of the deen, I gave you a book written by a scholar who none of us would dare call unreliable. You can take knowledge from his books and lectures can't you? So go ahead and do so. And finally, I am no longer going to continue this discussion with you

[Cogebrego]

No, it is not pretty much exactly what I said. Secondly, I did not give you knowledge of the deen, I gave you a book written by a scholar who none of us would dare call unreliable. You can take knowledge from his books and lectures can't you? So go ahead and do so. And finally, I am no longer going to continue this discussion with you

So, does that mean you don't want your recompense or whatever from me? Given your inability to overlook a small joke of your fellow Muslim brother, perhaps it's a good thing that you're not out there with a weapon in your hands.

[giftbestcom]

No, it is not pretty much exactly what I said. Secondly, I did not give you knowledge of the deen, I gave you a book written by a scholar who none of us would dare call unreliable. You can take knowledge from his books and lectures can't you? So go ahead and do so. And finally, I am no longer going to continue this discussion with you

السلام عليكم

@Brother Vagabond: While I understand some of your arguments, I do find the way you approach and lay down your arguments as quite rude. Alhamdulillah if you want a discussion that's fine and if you don't agree with something that's fine too, present your case in a proper manner and others will respond to it as Brother Ahmad has done. By posting the way you have done you only discredit yourself and ensure that you're not taken as seriously as you should be despite the fact that you may have valid points.

@Brother Ahmad: If it is now a Fard 'Ayn, then as brother Vagabond was hinting at does that now mean that all of our actions are in vain until we fulfill this Fard, or that we are in constant sin until this is achieved due to it being a Fard 'Ayn on us all? The idea that we may all be in constant sin is quite a depressing one, or that our actions are in vain because we are not fulfilling this. I always thought it was as Brother Vagabond had outlined in his earlier posts that our help, what we should be doing is donating our wealth in order to help those being oppressed purchase better equipment, shelter, medicine etc. I didn't think us dropping everything and going to fight was actually what was needed.

[Twendypreency]

السلام عليكم

@Brother Vagabond: While I understand some of your arguments, I do find the way you approach and lay down your arguments as quite rude. Alhamdulillah if you want a discussion that's fine and if you don't agree with something that's fine too, present your case in a proper manner and others will respond to it as Brother Ahmad has done. By posting the way you have done you only discredit yourself and ensure that you're not taken as seriously as you should be despite the fact that you may have valid points.

Forget about me behaving like the village jester/grumpy old man/moron, and deal with this brother who considers us and our Haq hiding Ulema to be in perpetual sin.

Given his attitude, I sorta went easy on him.

[nofkayalk]

The post above is exactly why I dislike Ulema not speaking the Haq regarding this subject- you get individuals like Vagabond who think jihad is not an obligation upon them and they respond with irrational thinking such as that above. We could have a long argument about this bro but I refuse to do so. Not unless you first explain to me the passages of the classical Ulema on this issue and only once you do so, will I continue to speak with you about this. Otherwise, you are disingenuous, a man who claims to be a Hanafi muqallid yet disregards classical Hanafi opinions regarding qitaal because his own Ulema are too scared to fight jihad or to speak on the subject itself.

Remember, that the Ulema of Shaam never mentioned jihad either (majority of them) and now they cry for it. Staying silent on it is not the same as not believing in its obligation.

And I think that just as the people of Iraq ran from qitaal, qitaal came to them and just as the people of Pakistan ran from qitaal, qitaal is coming to them and just as you run from qitaal, perhaps qitaal will come to you, in the form of an oppressor and you too will scream out for a helper from your Lord and perhaps then too, someone will sit on the other side of the world talking about sending money and how jihad is not fard upon him despite the clear quotes from classical Ulema on the subject

I completely agree on this.

[Diondra]

so if it is fard e ayn on all of us now - what should one do immediately?

[sasquatch999]

some good news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18882149

and also operation damascus volcano seems to be reaching its goal of conquering damascus. read the article, bashar's forces seem cornered.

victor is ours in sha Allah

[Timoxari]

some good news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18882149

and also operation damascus volcano seems to be reaching its goal of conquering damascus. read the article, bashar's forces seem cornered.

victor is ours in sha Allah

as-salâm 'alaykum wa rahmatuallâhi wa barakâtuhu

we received some good news just now (8:30 pm gmt) that the mujahideen in syria has just entered damascus and they are heading towards the palace of bashar al-asad and many masajids in damascus are raising takbeer. We need to make duaa that they win the battle with the minimum casualties. Please pass to everyone and put it on the face book etc..

jazka allahu khyran.

wa salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu

haitham al-haddad