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Has anyone come to any certainity on this relationship? After reading about Abassids possibly influencing the content of narration and how Abbassids had been associated with black color and flags, I now carry a greater skepticism on the hadith of black banners. It also made me futher question the direction the groups, who attempt to self fulfill the prophecy by raising the banners themselves and dressing up as martys, are running towards..

Is there any hadith that would validate with certainity the hadith of black banners?

Is there any reason to say that the Abbasids did not fulfill those hadiths?

And does the absence of the validity of those narrations effect the idea that an army is certainly going to march towards Jerusalem and free it?