[Sheefeadalfuh]

Easy question... yes it is because of the banning of musical instruments except the daf/duff drum. It's clear today's pop or chart music is definitely haraam but I wasn't sure 100% of classical music like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart. I've also learned some Muslims say even the daf/duff drum is not permitted.

[lerobudrse]

Yes, classical Music is also Haraam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhve...eature=related

[Pdarasenko]

Easy question... yes it is because of the banning of musical instruments except the daf/duff drum. It's clear today's pop or chart music is definitely haraam but I wasn't sure 100% of classical music like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart. I've also learned some Muslims say even the daf/duff drum is not permitted.

If you are Hanafi Deobandi then you follow scholars who would say it is haram.

Not all scholars hold this view, but most people on here are of the view that those who don't hold this view hold an invalid opinion.

[fmrcurter]

Easy question... yes it is because of the banning of musical instruments except the daf/duff drum. It's clear today's pop or chart music is definitely haraam but I wasn't sure 100% of classical music like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart. I've also learned some Muslims say even the daf/duff drum is not permitted.

Listening to music isn't "haraam" or sinful..this matter is disputed..so we should not look down upon noble sisters and brothers who enjoy music etc..Music is not going to take them to hell or heaven! Their deeds will and this is what matters...

Also "Haraam" is a VERY heavy word and should NOT be used for anything YOU think is bad/prohibited etc ...

And do not say about what your tongues assert of untruth, "This is halal and this is haram," to invent falsehood about Allah . Indeed, those who invent falsehood about Allah will not succeed. (Qur'an)

I believe that Muslims should produce GREAT music so that their young people won't listen to Western/Bollywood music and hence will not get effected by their culture!

If you are Hanafi Deobandi then you follow scholars who would say it is haram.

Not all scholars hold this view, but most people on here are of the view that those who don't hold this view hold an invalid opinion.

So if others' opinion is not the same as your's ...then their opinion is invalid. Good.

[seekfrieddy]

Listening to music isn't "haraam" or sinful..this matter is disputed..so we should not look down upon noble sisters and brothers who enjoy music etc..Music is not going to take them to hell or heaven! Their deeds will and this is what matters...

Also "Haraam" is a VERY heavy word and should NOT be used for anything YOU think is bad/prohibited etc ...

And do not say about what your tongues assert of untruth, "This is halal and this is haram," to invent falsehood about Allah . Indeed, those who invent falsehood about Allah will not succeed. (Qur'an)

I believe that Muslims should produce GREAT music so that their young people won't listen to Western/Bollywood music and hence will not get effected by their culture!

Music is haraam as proven from ahadeeth and the opinions of the four imams. It does not matter what you "believe".

So if others' opinion is not the same as your's ...then their opinion is invalid. Good.

No, because opinions have to based on Qur'an and Sunnah and the opinions of the majority in the four schools. Many minority opinions have no basis in the Qur'an and Sunnah - music being one of them. The prohibition of music is found in hadeeth, from the words of the sahaba , from the words of the tabi'een, from the words of the aimmah of Islam in the golden era (the first three generations). Go read the other thread and try to find one person who is pro-music citing from anything from the aimmah arba'a, from the sahaba , from Rasoolullah that says that music is permissible, especially the extent that you're endorsing.

[Enladalusange]

yes, classical music is haram.

[rassedgesse]

Music is haraam as proven from ahadeeth and the opinions of the four imams. It does not matter what you "believe".

I know where you are coming from. But to use the word "haram" for something which Allah himself has not declared 'haram' is not a wise act , I think. Music is not recommended , or music is 'discouraged' in hadiths etc is what should be a better way to put it.

If Music was 'haram' or 'unlawful' , Allah would have explicitly stated in the Qur'an ....


No, because opinions have to based on Qur'an and Sunnah and the opinions of the majority in the four schools. Many minority opinions have no basis in the Qur'an and Sunnah - music being one of them. The prohibition of music is found in hadeeth, from the words of the sahaba , from the words of the tabi'een, from the words of the aimmah of Islam in the golden era (the first three generations). Go read the other thread and try to find one person who is pro-music citing from anything from the aimmah arba'a, from the sahaba , from Rasoolullah that says that music is permissible, especially the extent that you're endorsing. As I understand it , music is just like internet... It can be used in a very negative way BUT it can also be a very strong force in the positive way. So is every type of Music haram? What about national songs? Like that of Noor Jahan , in favor of Pakistani Army fighting enemies of nation etc? What about the music urging people to STAND UP against the tyrants and raise their voice against zulm , which also the command of Qur'an? So what are your views regarding this aspect?

Also , the psychology of Muslim youth are getting run over by Western/Bollywood music... the BEST way to counter this is to develop our OWN music industries..that is closer to our culture and religion....so that our youth are not psychology brainwashed by Kuffr...what about this situation? What is the best way to counter that? There is nothing! Be practical brother..I'm not supporting retarded music of Western rappers...but to condemn music as a whole field is also not solution. It actually does more harm than good! We are faced with difficult situations today..and we must devise a practical strategy to counter the cultural wars of 21st century...

[xrumerang]

Oh no, please don't start another debate on Music.

[LianneForbess]

I know where you are coming from. But to use the word "haram" for something which Allah himself has not declared 'haram' is not a wise act , I think. Music is not recommended , or music is 'discouraged' in hadiths etc is what should be a better way to put it.

If Music was 'haram' or 'unlawful' , Allah would have explicitly stated in the Qur'an ....




As I understand it , music is just like internet... It can be used in a very negative way BUT it can also be a very strong force in the positive way. So is every type of Music haram? What about national songs? Like that of Noor Jahan , in favor of Pakistani Army fighting enemies of nation etc? What about the music urging people to STAND UP against the tyrants and raise their voice against zulm , which also the command of Qur'an? So what are your views regarding this aspect?

Also , the psychology of Muslim youth are getting run over by Western/Bollywood music... the BEST way to counter this is to develop our OWN music industries..that is closer to our culture and religion....so that our youth are not psychology brainwashed by Kuffr...what about this situation? What is the best way to counter that? There is nothing! Be practical brother..I'm not supporting retarded music of Western rappers...but to condemn music as a whole field is also not solution. It actually does more harm than good! We are faced with difficult situations today..and we must devise a practical strategy to counter the cultural wars of 21st century...

Again, music has been specifically mentioned to be haraam.

There is a hadeeth where Rasoolullah lists things that are haraam which will be made halaal by later generations - and this prophecy is coming true, with many people throwing their backs behind the things listed in that hadeeth, from wearing silk to listening to music. Music was not part of Islamic culture and the most successful of Muslim generations, the salafus saleh, despised music and considered it haraam. One of the positions of the Hanafi school is as follows: if someone is walking by a house and they hear music coming from inside, they have the right to break into this person's house and break his musical instrument. This was actually the position of the tabi' tabi'een, the position of one of the greatest students of Imam Abu Hanifa . So, to even permit a person from committing something that is otherwise haraam - i.e. breaking and entering - and then allowing that person to destroy the musical instrument, which otherwise would be haraam - i.e. destruction of property - shows how much music was seen as an evil in society and sadly, many Muslims cannot see it for what it is. So we can tell how stern the positions of Muslims have been with regards to music.

You are welcome to hold on to your opinion, but know that the majority opinion of the ulama of the past and the opinion that we see directly from the salafus saleh is that of it being haraam.

[VIAGRA-VIAGRA]

Again, music has been specifically mentioned to be haraam.

There is a hadeeth where Rasoolullah lists things that are haraam which will be made halaal by later generations - and this prophecy is coming true, with many people throwing their backs behind the things listed in that hadeeth, from wearing silk to listening to music. Music was not part of Islamic culture and the most successful of Muslim generations, the salafus saleh, despised music and considered it haraam. One of the positions of the Hanafi school is as follows: if someone is walking by a house and they hear music coming from inside, they have the right to break into this person's house and break his musical instrument. This was actually the position of the tabi' tabi'een, the position of one of the greatest students of Imam Abu Hanifa . So, to even permit a person from committing something that is otherwise haraam - i.e. breaking and entering - and then allowing that person to destroy the musical instrument, which otherwise would be haraam - i.e. destruction of property - shows how much music was seen as an evil in society and sadly, many Muslims cannot see it for what it is. So we can tell how stern the positions of Muslims have been with regards to music.

You are welcome to hold on to your opinion, but know that the majority opinion of the ulama of the past and the opinion that we see directly from the salafus saleh is that of it being haraam.

And what about this part of my post?

"Also , the psychology of Muslim youth are getting run over by Western/Bollywood music... the BEST way to counter this is to develop our OWN music industries..that is closer to our culture and religion....so that our youth are not psychology brainwashed by Kuffr...what about this situation? What is the best way to counter that? There is nothing! Be practical brother..I'm not supporting retarded music of Western rappers...but to condemn music as a whole field is also not solution. It actually does more harm than good! We are faced with difficult situations today..and we must devise a practical strategy to counter the cultural wars of 21st century... "

? Ijtihad anyone? For the protection of our coming Muslim generations?

[hs6KnlcW]

And what about this part of my post?

"Also , the psychology of Muslim youth are getting run over by Western/Bollywood music... the BEST way to counter this is to develop our OWN music industries..that is closer to our culture and religion....so that our youth are not psychology brainwashed by Kuffr...what about this situation? What is the best way to counter that? There is nothing! Be practical brother..I'm not supporting retarded music of Western rappers...but to condemn music as a whole field is also not solution. It actually does more harm than good! We are faced with difficult situations today..and we must devise a practical strategy to counter the cultural wars of 21st century... "

? Ijtihad anyone? For the protection of our coming Muslim generations?

Assalamualaikum,

No offense or something. But I am writing to just clarify that something doesn't makes sense here.

In past, during the golden era. We had great muslim personalities who were topped in the field of philosophy, chemistry, physics, medicine e.t.c but never did I came upon any personality who topped in science of music.

Wasn't music common in those days also? why didn't islam produce a great personality in the golden era who mastered the science of music?

or is it because we want to follow our desires?

Music is not only a problem nowdays. Alcohol is aswell, drugs e.t.c . So that means to encounter the problem of Alcohol in the 21st century we muslims should make our own alcohol? or to encounter the problem of drugs in this 21st century we muslims should make a drug industry? e.t.c

I hope you understand what I mean. Once again no offense intended, if you got answers to my questions thats great.

Jazakallah.

[HunterM]

I heard Hamza Yusuf say in one of his talks that he thought some of the music today has its roots in the Muslim chanting of La ila ha ilalah for example. He was not saying that it is halal. Music can have a profound effect on the human heart it can make us joyus and it can make us weep and anywhere in between. I have also heard that some scholars had music theories ( beats or rhythms written by them to specifically bring about certain changes in the state of the audience or singers), used to improve people.

Sensitive people can detect in the music the inner state of the musician which is conveyed in the music. If the musician is a unbeliever and has the inner condition of kufr this is conveyed to the people who listen to their music creating bad emotions in the people who listen to it. And if they are good it bring peace and healing to the soul. So one should be careful who you listen to if you do not want to be adversely affected.

[Xibizopt]

Listening to music is a disputed matter - the greatest scholars of our age have disputed the matter. Music is something that is part of the matters that are ambiguous because there is no explicit and clear-cut (qati) text in the Noble Quran that unequivocally makes it forbidden on the same level as alcohol. So the alcohol analogy does not work.

Furthermore, no scholar who permits music permits it with a blank cheque - conditions are always set and emphasis is put on conscientious consumption of music.

And by the way Muslims have had a profound influence on the development of music:

http://www.muslimheritage.com/topics...?ArticleID=406
http://www.muslimheritage.com/topics...?ArticleID=399
http://www.muslimheritage.com/topics...?ArticleID=404

http://thebestofhabibi.com/vol-18-no...-of-andalusia/
http://www.islamicspain.tv/Arts-and-...alus/Music.htm

It was the Muslim musical theorists who developed the idea of using music as a means of rehab and a way for facilitating psychological and mental health.

http://www.muslimheritage.com/topics...?ArticleID=397

Classical Muslim musical theory had a deeply religious outlook to it - music was meant for a had specific teleos - a higher purpose beyond the temporal realm in facilitating God-consciousness, moment of tranquillity and peace. And if you read most of the literature of the anti-music camp much of the justification for making music impermissible is not because there is something inherently wrong with the medium - its because of the consequences of listening to music that it may incline one towards transgression and forgetfulness. This is a ''prohibition of the means''.

And to be quite frank I do not see any empirical evidence, any rational proof to suggest that listening to all types of music will make a person more likely to transgress or forgetful. It is simply irrational and unjustifiable to suggest that some of the music from Al-Andalus which is deeply spiritual in tone or the sort of music produced by Sami Yusuf will lead a person to sin - if a person does think this then I suggest they consult a psychiatrist.

Today the best jurists of our time take into account the texts but also the context.

Thank You for the clarification , brother!

Assalamualaikum,

No offense or something. But I am writing to just clarify that something doesn't makes sense here.

In past, during the golden era. We had great muslim personalities who were topped in the field of philosophy, chemistry, physics, medicine e.t.c but never did I came upon any personality who topped in science of music.

I was like "wow!" after reading your post! During Islamic Golden Age , Muslims were progressive people (unlike today , sadly!) ..We made progress in EVERY field ... Progress ALWAYS has some culture embedded to it. Like today , you see 'progress' with 'Western culture' on it...why? Because West made it all.

During Muslim era , Muslims did astonishing works in arts , science , philosophy , poetry , Maths , Astronomy , medicine , literature and music! So much so..that Muslim scholars of that era also discussed 'different sex positions to enjoy the best' (within marriage , offcourse!) ..During those times , even the word 'sex' was a taboo in other cultures while Muslims were ahead of times. Today , West has taken the place of Muslims and Muslims have taken the place of dark-age Westerners...

Many great Muslim scientists were innovators , philosophers , poets , AND musicians at the same time. Music touches human soul...it can be used for great purposes..

Secondly , today we live in the age of Ipods , internet , phones etc..If we don't develop our own music industry , Kuffr will psychologically control our Muslims!!! This has been in practice for a decade now...don't you see 'Western wanna be' urban Muslim youth? The ONLY solution is for Muslims to develop their own film industry , arts , fashion centers , music industry etc..These things will be closer to Islam/Native Culture of the land ... Even if they have some 'foreigner' influence..that is still acceptable.. It is better than 100% Western over-run of our Muslim youth (Which will happen in case Muslims keep the same approach as you or others have in this forum! No offense at all...)

[Glamyclitlemi]

Easy question... yes it is because of the banning of musical instruments except the daf/duff drum. It's clear today's pop or chart music is definitely haraam but I wasn't sure 100% of classical music like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart. I've also learned some Muslims say even the daf/duff drum is not permitted.

you will find this thread the most comprehensive study on music on this forum.
it is enough to come to the conclusion that music is haram in all forms.
it also deals with the weaker arguments of the proponents of music (some of whom can be found in this thread too).

some personal advice: i used to listen to classical (bach, mozart, chopin, beethoven etc etc) as well as other forms of music for years. i gave it up not because i read these fatawa but i realized it was 'bad' and that was it. now i see that it had absolutely no benefit and created only false emotions that took me away from practicing Islam as it should be. it is only recently that I saw the ruling of music being haram.

the argument against music can be upheld both using juristic rulings and using logic. unfortunately the proponents of music are mostly ill-mannered modernists and fatwa shoppers so it is useless to argue with them. so i suggest not get into any debate with them.