[borasolit]

Assalamualaykum,

Is there any truth in the rumour going around that there was an error made regarding the sighting of the moon in Saudi Arabia this Eid.
see http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ry-ramadan-end

Thanks

[Rugda]

Assalamualaykum,

Is there any truth in the rumour going around that there was an error made regarding the sighting of the moon in Saudi Arabia this Eid.
see http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ry-ramadan-end

Thanks

ORLY

Don't you think people speculate too much in things they are too thick on? Spend time with family, help out in communities and leave the whole Moon sighting to the Experts?

[Immonnaornach]

What does ORLY mean

thanks

[JackTimQSR]

Assalamualaykum,

Is there any truth in the rumour going around that there was an error made regarding the sighting of the moon in Saudi Arabia this Eid.
see http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ry-ramadan-end

Thanks

The rumour was not if the sighting was correct or not, the rumour was if saudi admited it.

Check out this webiste where the ulama aré trying to sort the mess out
http://www.wifaqululama.co.uk/

[KojlinMakolvin]

What does ORLY mean

thanks

orly = oh really

its sarcasm.

[crestorinfo]

ha

[Amomiamup]

general question......(not regarding this year or any other particular year)....

just say that the moon was born on the 29th night and sighting was possible, but due to whatever factors no one saw it and completed 30 days of ramadhan and then did eid. that would mean due to the moon not being sighted people fasted on what would have been the 1st of shawwal according to the moon.........do we need to make taubah for this or is this fine and within the criteria and conditions laid down for sighting the moon?


i ask because i found this on the hizbul ulama site....


http://www.hizbululama.org.uk/highli..._fake_v3_0.pdf


Our message to the Muslim community in Britain is that if you fasted on Tuesday 30th August 2011, you must seek forgiveness from Allah SWT
this doesnt seem right to me as i thought that as long as adequate measures are taken and the moon is not sighted or someones testimony is not accepted due to whatever valid reasons, then it is not a problem to fast an extra day even if later through whatever means it transpires that the moon had indeed born on the 29th night.

[Lhiistyssdds]

orly = oh really

its sarcasm.

Thanks for clarifying

[kranfid]

When is Ramadan 1433 AH
Report by Qamar Uddin: Ramadan is the 9th month of the Islamic calendar based on the orbit of the moon round the earth. The month starts with the first sighting of the crescent moon (Hilal), which appears in a different location of the earth in each month. Hence, it is not possible to fix one location or any country on the earth to sight the youngest moon in every month.
However, the Islamic Crescent Observation for the UK (ICOUK) group attempt Hilal observations on the UK horizon in all 12 months of the year and also collect reliable/verified observation reports from other countries in the east of UK/Morocco. These reports are made available to the Muslim Scholars (Ulama) in the UK to make rapid decisions based on actual human eye sightings to fully comply with the Shariah.
On Wednesday, 20th June 2012 (29th Rajab 1433 AH) many people from throughout the UK have attempted to sight the Hilal of Shaban after sunset. None of the groups were able to sight the Hilal, as most places were cloudy. However, we have received reliable sighting reports (Muhaqaq-Ruyat-Basari) from the Morocco Awqaf Ministry and Jamiat-e-Ulama South Africa. Therefore, the UK Ulama have decided that the month of Shaban 1433 AH was started from Thursday 21st June 2012, which was also the same date as the Saudi Ummul Qura calendar.
Therefore, 29th Shaban 1433 AH will be on Thursday 19th July 2012 when we will be looking for the Hilal of Ramadan after sunset as per the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). If reliable/ verified sighting reports were received from either the UK or any countries in the east of the UK/Morocco then 1 Ramadan 1433 AH may start from Friday 20th July 2012, otherwise it will start from the next day (21st July).
Ramadan Prediction
From a scientific point of view, the Hilal of Ramadan 1433 AH will not be possible to be sighted anywhere in the UK or in the east on 19th July 2012 (after sunset) and hence the month of Shaban 1433 AH is likely to complete 30 days. The Ramadan moon will be born on Thursday 19th July 2012 at 04:24 GMT (New Moon Conjunction). It will be 15.7 hours old at London sunset, but moonset will be 17 minutes before sunset, hence it will not be possible to be sighted anywhere in the UK. In Makkah, the moon will be 11.7 hours old, but it will set 6 minutes after sunset. However, it will not be possible to sighted after Makkah sunset, as the moon will be too close to the horizon (0.9 deg altitude) and the sun (7 deg elongation). Also, the phase of the moon will be so thin (0.4% illuminated) that it will be beyond the resolution of the human eye to sight it!
The predicted crescent visibility map for Ramadan 1433 AH [Fig. 1] clearly shows that the moon will not be possible to be sighted anywhere in the east of UK/Morocco on the evening of 19th July 2012. There is a very small possibility that it might be sighted by telescope from South America if the weather was perfect, but that has not been possible in the past and even if it was, it will not be considered to avoid undue hardships, since any reliable sightings reports may not arrive in the UK until the next morning! Therefore, 1 Ramadan 1433 AH in the UK is most likely to be on Saturday 21st July 2012 (i.e. after sunset on 20th July 2012), Insha-Allah.
Makkah Conference
There was a Moon Sighting Conference held in Makkah, organised by the Islamic Fiqh Academy of the Muslim World League (MWL) in February 2012. About eighty scholars participated in the conference, mainly from the Arab countries, which included many Saudi Supreme Court members as well as Muslim astronomers from the Islamic Crescent Observation Project (ICOP). After three days of deliberations, the conference agreed that the Islamic lunar months will start by sighting of the moon. However, astronomical calculations will be used to decide if any sighting claims should be accepted or not. The fourth resolution clearly stated that any sighting claims will only be accepted if after New Moon Conjunction, the moonset is after sunset on Makkah horizon. This is the current formula used in calculating the Saudi Ummul Qura calendar dates.
Based on the above resolution, Saudi Arabia is most likely to start Ramadan from 20th July 2012 since there are a couple of well known individuals from near Riyadh (i.e. Sudayr and Shaqra), who often claim impossible sightings and their claims are usually accepted by the court, which will match the Ummul Qura calendar date. There is no requirement of group sightings (Jamme Ghafir) or the use of Predicted Crescent Visibility (Imkan- e-Ruyat) to counter the problem. If there is a difference in sighting reports between Saudi Arabia and other nearby countries, then unfortunately there will be a split in UK Muslim communities for the start of Ramadan, since some large UK mosques (e.g. Regents Park & East London) strictly follow Saudi announcements only.
Fortunately, the outlook for Eid-ul-Fitr looks better, since moonset will be before sunset at Makkah on 17th August 2012, so Saudi Arabia is unlikely to end Ramadan on that evening. On the next evening (18th August 2012) most countries of Africa will be able to sight the Hilal [Fig. 2], hence Eid-ul-Fitr is expected to be united on the same day on Sunday 19th August 2012, Insha-Allah. Unfortunately, it may not be the same next year!

http://www.icoproject.org/icouk/docs...adan1433AH.pdf

[Xibizopt]

Assalamu alaykum

In Makkah, the moon will be 11.7 hours old, but it will set 6 minutes after sunset.
However, it will not be possible to sighted after Makkah sunset, as the moon will be too close to the horizon (0.9 deg altitude) and the sun (7 deg elongation). Also, the phase of the moon will be so thin (0.4% illuminated) that it will be beyond the resolution of the human eye to sight it! But Super Human eyes will sight the moon even before sunset!!!!!

hence Eid-ul-Fitr is expected to be united on the same day on Sunday 19th August 2012, Insha-Allah. We heard of match fixing in cricket (pre-scripted results). Shortly we shall be witnessing moon-fixing. Or a Caesarean moon birth.

My guess is that, this is being done by people who have done iftaa from College of Business Administration of either London or Washington.