[Aafimoq]

RH: What are your thoughts on Muslim youth and public education of today?

HamzaYusuf: I think modern school is a negative experience. I believe you can learn more out of school than in it. There is now a universal education system, whether you are in an Arab country, China or somewhere else. This universal education is only going to vary according to the political atmosphere of the given country. For example, in Iraq, the indoctrination is probably more obvious whereas in the US it is just more subtle. School is an artificial construct to socialize individuals into a group identity. The whole idea of a "school of fish" is that everyone swims together whereas traditional Islamic education was completely individualized. What it did was give people all those tools (in the West called "liberal arts") such as grammar, rhetoric, and logic, through which people could actually think and use their brains.

In public high schools, you are not given tools, you are given information and data. In fact, a metaphor that is used in education today is that you're basically a hard drive that needs to be written with a given software. You will then fulfill whatever are the social needs of the society. Schooling today is designed only to matriculate people into the logic of the system itself. Then people end up in meaningless jobs doing meaningless work, and never really think about what type of society they're contributing to. End Quote

Obviously this does not mean that we drop out or under achieve in school, but as Muslims we can come up with something better.

[avitalporatova]

This is an excellent summary of the current state school system and what is wrong with it. It is why there are a growing number of parents and concerned people bringing their children out of the system and trying to create a 'new' or 'better' way in which to educate their children.

See my link here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ecomes-reality

An amazing school with so much poteential to expand inshaAllah to properly educate the children of the next geenration in the Prophetic manner. If you are not familiar with the Montessori method of learning, it is a method which perfectly compliments the Islamic method of educating, from both the practical to spiritual aspect. And to have both (Montessori and Islamic) perspectives under one roof in a school can only be providing the best possible start in life for that child (inshaallah!)

Montessori is very individualised learning right from the beginning (3 years old) and takes into account psychological and physical child development. If you ever have the oppurtunity to visit a Montessori nursery (there are few and far between Primary schools as often there is lack of funding!) you would be amazed in comparison to a standard state nursery.

[BliliBoopsy]

This is an excellent summary of the current state school system and what is wrong with it. It is why there are a growing number of parents and concerned people bringing their children out of the system and trying to create a 'new' or 'better' way in which to educate their children.

See my link here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ecomes-reality

An amazing school with so much poteential to expand inshaAllah to properly educate the children of the next geenration in the Prophetic manner. If you are not familiar with the Montessori method of learning, it is a method which perfectly compliments the Islamic method of educating, from both the practical to spiritual aspect. And to have both (Montessori and Islamic) perspectives under one roof in a school can only be providing the best possible start in life for that child (inshaallah!)

Montessori is very individualised learning right from the beginning (3 years old) and takes into account psychological and physical child development. If you ever have the oppurtunity to visit a Montessori nursery (there are few and far between Primary schools as often there is lack of funding!) you would be amazed in comparison to a standard state nursery.

may allah put barakah and safeguard your efforts

[pupyississido]

Several reasons to send your children to a Muslim school or to Home Educate if you live in the West -

THE EVIL OF THE STATE SCHOOL

1. Personal and Social Education

- teaches the lie that homosexuality is normal,
- teaches the harmful idea that women should all have a 'career'
- teaches that zina is a normal recreational activity

2. Religious Education

- teaches culture as 'religion' and gives people the idea that religion is just about festivals and fancy clothes etc.

- shirk and kufr are shown as 'pretty cultures' .

-The mantra that 'people should not be limited by their traditions' is in the minds of most RE teachers.

3. History

- typically wrongly teaches that civilization and the modern world was built by white men (almost everyone else is kept out of the story unless they are a slave or a colonial subject).

4. Sciences

- science teachers definitely promoted materialist atheism when I was at school and as far as I have heard if anything things have gotten worse since then.

5. School Discos/Balls/Proms

- promote dancing, degenerate music, boyfriend-girlfiriend situations, encourage girls in dressing up in bad clothes so that they look like little prostitutes.

6. Sex Education

- promotes (zina) sex outside marriage is ok, when I was at school the sex educationalist showed young (13-14 year old) girls how to put a condom on a banana and implied that sodomoy was normal.

7. Teachers Attitudes and Influence

-Many teachers (not all) are Islamophobes moral deviants and heavy drinkers. their degenerate influence on pupils is often poisonous.

- Feminist teachers and Islamophobes target Muslim girls, befriend them and try to turn them against their religion and families (working by stealth) - this is not an exaggeration and because they are being pressurised subtly into evil by adult figures if they are weak willed they do not stand a chance.

- In addition many perverts are working in British state schools.

8. Pupils influence on each other

- they teach each other swearing, smoking, alcohol and drugs, swap degenerate ideas about sex, the worst pupils drag down the others to their level - those who try to stay good get bullied.

- Girls who wear hijab are pressurised to start dressing like sluts - many end up dressing like angels when they leave home and by the time they get off the bus for school have taken off their hijab and put on their makeup.

- Muslim boys are often dragged into smoking, violence, gangs and end up connected through their school freinds to alcohol and drugs and also to degenerate music and situations leading to zina.

[Ervntewc]

State Schools also adjust your attitude they domesticate you make you fit into the mundane world, follow orders without too much effort, depend on others for your sense of self worth and someone who will regularly feel empty, depressed and sad so that they can escape into consumerism, entertainment, sex, drugs and rock and roll. This keeps the economy going and many people are employed to help you stay in the system.

Several reasons to send your children to a Muslim school or to Home Educate if you live in the West -

THE EVIL OF THE STATE SCHOOL

1. Personal and Social Education

- teaches the lie that homosexuality is normal,
- teaches the harmful idea that women should all have a 'career'
- teaches that zina is a normal recreational activity

2. Religious Education

- teaches culture as 'religion' and gives people the idea that religion is just about festivals and fancy clothes etc.

- shirk and kufr are shown as 'pretty cultures' .

-The mantra that 'people should not be limited by their traditions' is in the minds of most RE teachers.

3. History

- typically wrongly teaches that civilization and the modern world was built by white men (almost everyone else is kept out of the story unless they are a slave or a colonial subject).

4. Sciences

- science teachers definitely promoted materialist atheism when I was at school and as far as I have heard if anything things have gotten worse since then.

5. School Discos/Balls/Proms

- promote dancing, degenerate music, boyfriend-girlfiriend situations, encourage girls in dressing up in bad clothes so that they look like little prostitutes.

6. Sex Education

- promotes (zina) sex outside marriage is ok, when I was at school the sex educationalist showed young (13-14 year old) girls how to put a condom on a banana and implied that sodomoy was normal.

7. Teachers Attitudes and Influence

-Many teachers (not all) are Islamophobes moral deviants and heavy drinkers. their degenerate influence on pupils is often poisonous.

- Feminist teachers and Islamophobes target Muslim girls, befriend them and try to turn them against their religion and families (working by stealth) - this is not an exaggeration and because they are being pressurised subtly into evil by adult figures if they are weak willed they do not stand a chance.

- In addition many perverts are working in British state schools.

8. Pupils influence on each other

- they teach each other swearing, smoking, alcohol and drugs, swap degenerate ideas about sex, the worst pupils drag down the others to their level - those who try to stay good get bullied.

- Girls who wear hijab are pressurised to start dressing like sluts - many end up dressing like angels when they leave home and by the time they get off the bus for school have taken off their hijab and put on their makeup.

- Muslim boys are often dragged into smoking, violence, gangs and end up connected through their school freinds to alcohol and drugs and also to degenerate music and situations leading to zina.

[primaveraloler]

State Schools also adjust your attitude they domesticate you make you fit into the mundane world, follow orders without too much effort, depend on others for your sense of self worth and someone who will regularly feel empty, depressed and sad so that they can escape into consumerism, entertainment, sex, drugs and rock and roll. This keeps the economy going and many people are employed to help you stay in the system.

Brother have you read Dajjal System by Ahmad Thomson? If you haven't you should its a good read, amongst other things its basically describing this very phenomenon.

[ashleyjoseph]

http://www.kinzaacademy.com/ (recommended by Hamza Yusuf)

http://www.norwich.ac/school/index.htm (associated to Murabitun)

http://www.islamichomeeducation.co.uk/ Islamic Home Schooling Advisory Network

some interesting links on home schooling