[snova]

One clarification...!

For active workers of tabligh...!

This work of tabligh is not run by any individual rather it is run by the grace of Allah...!
And this work is done according to mashwara...!
Ye kaam mashwara se chalta hai...whosoever is our elder in our locality or our city or our state or our country...all these elders have sacrificed for deen, left their homes, wealth, children not once but everytime or regularly they give sacrifices...one should respect them , if they would not have given qurbani(sacrifices), we would not have been doing the effort of deen...!

The elders of state are chosen in Mulki mashwara (Kul Hind Jhor) in nizamudin,

Elders of state chose elders of city in riyaasiti mashwara (state mashwara)

Elders are not common people like us...elders are those who have sacrificed a lot for deen and who have taaluq with Allah...when one sits in the company of elders...one is bestowed with hikmah and noor...!

Elders are chosen by mashwara...whosoever are our elders...one has to follow them...act according to what they say...!

We dont know how much our elders have sacrificed for deen...and how much they have taaluq with Allah...!
One cannot judge anyone until one sits in his company...i suggest all workers of deen to sit and give time with elders (sit in their company)...!

I have listened from Bhai Ameen (Mahrastra) in a jhor of our city (last year November) that one learns from suhbat of elders so much that one cannot learn it from great sacrifices...!

Hikmat of dawat and jaamiyat of dawat is granted by Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala through company of elders...!

Jo qurbani dega, qurbani ke baat ko samjegaa -Maulana saad Sb DB

(The one who sacrifices will understand talks of sacrifices)

What our elders know about tabligh, the other person (whatsoever maybe his personal relation with Allah) cannot know those things about tabligh...the knowledge of tabligh is granted by Allah through sacrifices for deen in the form of tabligh...!

To know tabligh in real sense...be attached with your elders(local) and markaz(city or state)....and go nizamudin or raiwand(if possible) every three or two months...!

[soonahonsefalh]

elders are human just like all of us and are open to corruption and the whisperings of satan just like all of us. they are not perfect and they are not masoom (innocents). follow them as long as they are on the quran and sunnah, and reject them if they if they go against the quran and sunnah. not everything they do has to necessarily be from the quran and sunnah as they are humans and not prophets (as), who are guided by Allah even in their apparent 'mistakes'.

rather than following the elders, follow the established usools laid down in the effort of tabligh jamaat and strive to practice the 6 qualities and make them an integral part of your life.

[beriarele]

elders are human just like all of us and are open to corruption and the whisperings of satan just like all of us. they are not perfect and they are not masoom (innocents). follow them as long as they are on the quran and sunnah, and reject them if they if they go against the quran and sunnah. not everything they do has to necessarily be from the quran and sunnah as they are humans and not prophets (as), who are guided by Allah even in their apparent 'mistakes'.

rather than following the elders, follow the established usools laid down in the effort of tabligh jamaat and strive to practice the 6 qualities and make them an integral part of your life.

Assalamu alaykum

The message is that a person seized to be our elder (no more worth following) if his practices are against Quran and Sunnah. There can be ijtehadi difference, or a person with less knowledge and experience may not understand other person's actions.

Alhamdulillah Allah SWT has blessed this work with a mechanism "a dead fish is thrown out of sea"

[bebeacc]

Assalamu alaykum

The message is that a person seized to be our elder (no more worth following) if his practices are against Quran and Sunnah. There can be ijtehadi difference, or a person with less knowledge and experience may not understand other person's actions.

Alhamdulillah Allah SWT has blessed this work with a mechanism "a dead fish is thrown out of sea"

dont want to make a debate out of this as it has been done many times before on this forum, but i will not stay quiet if something false is stated.

there ARE 'dead fishes' in this work, just like there are 'dead fishes' in other efforts, and some of them happen to be called 'elders'. so just be careful who you follow and what you follow. if people just stick to the established usools and follow the effort and not the elders then they will be fine inshallah.

[babopeddy]

br. faizan,

I hope you are doing well. Jazak Allah for opening the thread. However, here is the dilema and I need your input on it to make this decision.

Please read the 2nd post in response to your OP and then the 3rd. As you can see people on the forum hold different views on the issue. Now, with ramadhan just around a couple of days, this thread will blow into a pro-tj vs usooli-tj debate. Some heads will heat up. Some will call other against tj, while other will malign the SF for not taking action and being biased.

Since you are the Opening Poster, I ask you to help me. In presence of the evident debate which I forsee in the next few hours, should I:

a. Close this thread.
b. Let it remain open and hope for a peaceful rage-free discussion (probability is very low).

I await your response.

[Lilji]

br. faizan,

I hope you are doing well. Jazak Allah for opening the thread. However, here is the dilema and I need your input on it to make this decision.

Please read the 2nd post in response to your OP and then the 3rd. As you can see people on the forum hold different views on the issue. Now, with ramadhan just around a couple of days, this thread will blow into a pro-tj vs usooli-tj debate. Some heads will heat up. Some will call other against tj, while other will malign the SF for not taking action and being biased.

Since you are the Opening Poster, I ask you to help me. In presence of the evident debate which I forsee in the next few hours, should I:

a. Close this thread.
b. Let it remain open and hope for a peaceful rage-free discussion (probability is very low).

I await your response.

Maulana Sb ...alhamdulillah i am fine...hope your goodself is fine also...!

i am with you...i mean as you wish or whatever you think is better, i had opened this forum not for a debate but just for a clarification...if you think the thread closure is better than do it, i have no objection

By elders i meant those elders who have been chosen from mashwara and the elders i know alhamdulillah are ahlullah...

Just like a mureed is chosen by a sheikh as his khalifa when mureed acquires qualities of piety , similarly one is made among shura or one is made ameer of a state or city by big elders when they find that the person has qualities of piety and has intense concern for the deen...!

Prophet Muhammad said (whose mafoom is) that badgomani about a muslim is haram....so what to say about those who have sacrificed for the sake of deen

Anyway...If Maulana Sb thinks that the thread closure is better for ummah, then do it...

[BoboStin]

br. faizan,

I hope you are doing well. Jazak Allah for opening the thread. However, here is the dilema and I need your input on it to make this decision.

Please read the 2nd post in response to your OP and then the 3rd. As you can see people on the forum hold different views on the issue. Now, with ramadhan just around a couple of days, this thread will blow into a pro-tj vs usooli-tj debate. Some heads will heat up. Some will call other against tj, while other will malign the SF for not taking action and being biased.

Since you are the Opening Poster, I ask you to help me. In presence of the evident debate which I forsee in the next few hours, should I:

a. Close this thread.
b. Let it remain open and hope for a peaceful rage-free discussion (probability is very low).

I await your response.

Assalamu alaykum

I request OP to close this thread. Also I request Br Faizan. Control your zeal. Please don't open the similar threads, in Ramzan and after Ramzan.

[KixdricyArrip]

i am alhamdullilah active in all parts of deen,may allah accept it
i know many "elders" who fraud ppl in millions of rupees,even 1 man who is my amir by whom i learnt amamah,he is big cheater now and run away from town with about 1 crore rs.
so whats u say about these elders
i listen mo.saad sb 1 time that "Kisi ko dekh kr tablig karoge too kaam se cut jaoge"
If you are to do tableegh based upon the action of others, you will be lead astray
so nabwi kaam ko nabwi nahaj per sahaba ko dekh kar karo
The prophetic guidance and teachings should be acted upon as was followed by the Sahaaba.
Moulana saad also said:isis liye kehta hu k hayatussahaba ka zyada sr zyada motala karo aur bayanao me bhi un k hi qisse bayan karo(bcoz of this i m telling to rad hayatussahaba more and more and tell sahaba's story in bayanat)

[itaspCatCriny]

Assalamu alaykum

Heard in Nizamuddin again and again and echoed here in our local jods.

"raho bhaaiyon jaise, muamila karo ajnabiyon jaise"

Live like brothers, deal like a stranger.

[nithhysfusy]

i am alhamdullilah active in all parts of deen,may allah accept it
i know many "elders" who fraud ppl in millions of rupees,even 1 man who is my amir by whom i learnt amamah,he is big cheater now and run away from town with about 1 crore rs.
so whats u say about these elders
i listen mo.saad sb 1 time that "Kisi ko dekh kr tablig karoge too kaam se cut jaoge"
If you are to do tableegh based upon the action of others, you will be lead astray
so nabwi kaam ko nabwi nahaj per sahaba ko dekh kar karo
The prophetic guidance and teachings should be acted upon as was followed by the Sahaaba.
Moulana saad also said:isis liye kehta hu k hayatussahaba ka zyada sr zyada motala karo aur bayanao me bhi un k hi qisse bayan karo(bcoz of this i m telling to rad hayatussahaba more and more and tell sahaba's story in bayanat)

Maulana Sb...hope you are fine...!

i concur with you completely....!
You are 110% right maulana Sb...

Allah bless y'all,,,,!

[gambleingsites]

Assalamu alaykum

I request OP to close this thread. Also I request Br Faizan. Control your zeal. Please don't open the similar threads, in Ramzan and after Ramzan.

insha allah...i hope so