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Old 06-15-2012, 08:29 PM   #1
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Default Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) & Space/Time Explanation?


If you carefully read and listen to our dear, respected and beloved Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA)’s lectures you will find that he explains that Dajjal is currently in a different time/space (its actually spacetime and from here on I will refer to it as such) and hence we are unable to see him. Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA)’s explanation leaves a number of questions unanswered:

Problem 1: Getting ready for time travel?

Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) postulates in his lectures about Isra Wal-Miraaj that this event took Sayyidina Rasul-ullah to a different spacetime continuum and in order for Sayyidina Rasul-ullah to enter this his heart had to be taken out (cleaned and treated). Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) also explains that Dajjal is also not in our spacetime.

If Dajjal is in a different spacetime and Sayyidina Rasul-ullah needs preparation to enter such realms then how come Sayyidina Tamim Dari (RA) entered this other realm without preparation and actually met Dajjal as mentioned in Saheeh Muslim?

Problem 2: (Samawaat)Heavens are in a different spacetime?

Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) also explains that during Miraaj when Sayyidina Rasul-ullah went up he actually entered a different spacetime i.e. Samawaat (heavens) is not our universe we know BUT a different reality.

If Samawaat (heavens) is not the universe we know BUT a different reality then how come when the Angels shoot down the Shaytaan, the meteors are visible in our reality?

[37:6] Verily, We have decorated the nearest sky with an adornment, the stars,
[37:7] and (have made them) a security against every rebellious devil.
[37:8] They cannot listen to the Upper Realm and are hit from every side
[37:9] to be driven off, and for them there is a lasting punishment;
[37:10] however, if one snatches a little bit, he is pursued by a bright flame.

Problem 3: Dajjal is chained up in a different reality?


Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) also explains that Dajjal is released in a different spacetime then how come Sayyidina Rasul-ullah specifically pointed out that Dajjal is in the East in Hadeeth? He could have easily said that you can't see it etc?

  1. Was he in the same spacetime Sayyidina Rasul-ullah when he was chained?
  2. Since Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) postulates that he has now been released is he gone to a different spacetime and will then come back into ours?


Where is the evidence for this shifting spacetime?

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Old 06-15-2012, 08:49 PM   #2
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i have said this before as well.

it seems like moulana comes up with theories that tie in with current events - and then makes the hadith fit his theories like bashing a square peg into a round hole.


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Old 06-15-2012, 09:06 PM   #3
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The probable answer to first is that tamim ad dari found dajjal when he was still tied up.
Secondly, being in different dimenesion does not mean he would not at all come to our dimension.


As for third question:
Dajjal being in the east might be his direction of emergence or direction of presence at that particular time and so forth. Being in east does not mean dajjal would not travel.

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Im being a advocate because I do not see your questions are crucial points to falsify the ttheory. And not because i do not have my own personal reservations about it.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:08 PM   #4
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If you carefully read and listen to our dear, respected and beloved Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA)’s lectures you will find that he explains that Dajjal is currently in a different time/space (its actually spacetime and from here on I will refer to it as such) and hence we are unable to see him. Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA)’s explanation leaves a number of questions unanswered:

Problem 1: Getting ready for time travel?

Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) postulates in his lectures about Isra Wal-Miraaj that this event took Sayyidina Rasul-ullah to a different spacetime continuum and in order for Sayyidina Rasul-ullah to enter this his heart had to be taken out (cleaned and treated). Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) also explains that Dajjal is also not in our spacetime.

If Dajjal is in a different spacetime and Sayyidina Rasul-ullah needs preparation to enter such realms then how come Sayyidina Tamim Dari (RA) entered this other realm without preparation and actually met Dajjal as mentioned in Saheeh Muslim?

Problem 2: (Samawaat)Heavens are in a different spacetime?

Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) also explains that during Miraaj when Sayyidina Rasul-ullah went up he actually entered a different spacetime i.e. Samawaat (heavens) is not our universe we know BUT a different reality.

If Samawaat (heavens) is not the universe we know BUT a different reality then how come when the Angels shoot down the Shaytaan, the meteors are visible in our reality?

[37:6] Verily, We have decorated the nearest sky with an adornment, the stars,
[37:7] and (have made them) a security against every rebellious devil.
[37:8] They cannot listen to the Upper Realm and are hit from every side
[37:9] to be driven off, and for them there is a lasting punishment;
[37:10] however, if one snatches a little bit, he is pursued by a bright flame.

Problem 3: Dajjal is chained up in a different reality?


Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) also explains that Dajjal is released in a different spacetime then how come Sayyidina Rasul-ullah specifically pointed out that Dajjal is in the East in Hadeeth? He could have easily said that you can't see it etc?

  1. Was he in the same spacetime Sayyidina Rasul-ullah when he was chained?
  2. Since Shaykh Imran Hosein (HA) postulates that he has now been released is he gone to a different spacetime and will then come back into ours?


Where is the evidence for this shifting spacetime?

As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu,
Very interesting points brother and questions which should be put to Shaykh Imran Hossein, Have you thought about emailing him and sending these points over to see what his response would be as I would love to see the responses to these question.
I have emailed Shaykh in the past and always had quick replies, I can provide an email address if you do not have it and would like to put this point over to him?
Jazak-Allah
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:15 PM   #5
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the meteors are visible in our reality?

well in "upper relams" there is also water, but can we see it?

same with this "meteors" it's the "upper realms" meteor, not our worldly meteors.......

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Old 06-15-2012, 09:19 PM   #6
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The probable answer to first is that tamim ad dari found dajjal when he was still tied up.
Secondly, being in different dimenesion does not mean he would not at all come to our dimension.


As for third question:
Dajjal being in the east might be his direction of emergence or direction of presence at that particular time and so forth. Being in east does not mean dajjal would not travel.

Note:
Im being a advocate because I do not see your questions are crucial points to falsify the ttheory. And not because i do not have my own personal reservations about it.


Thats what I also think that if we hold his theory to be correct then we must also admit that dajjal moves in/out of our spacetime which Shaykh (HA) admits by saying that when 1 day = 1 day he will be in our spacetime.

BUT then your explainations also pose further questions that if Dajjal was in our spacetime at that time then how come Tamim Dari (RA) met him when Shaykh (HA) claims that Dajjal's Island is UK? How can a boat float along from Jeddah to UK with that level of technology?

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Old 06-15-2012, 09:29 PM   #7
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Thats what I also think that if we hold his theory to be correct then we must also admit that dajjal moves in/out of our spacetime which Shaykh (HA) admits by saying that when 1 day = 1 day he will be in our spacetime.

BUT then your explainations also pose further questions that if Dajjal was in our spacetime at that time then how come Tamim Dari (RA) met him when Shaykh (HA) claims that Dajjal's Island is UK? How can a boat float along from Jeddah to UK with that level of technology?

As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu,

In reagrds to Tamin Dari (RA) meeting Dajjal, thsi is taken from Shaykh Imran Hossein's official website under the question and answer section.
http://www.imranhosein.org/faq/55-si...n-of-time.html

The question was asked "How could Tamim al-Dari have seen Dajjal if he is not in our dimension of time?"
The answer was "I do not believe that this was an actual journey. Rather, I believe that Tamim al-Dari most probably had a vision and not an actual experience with a meeting with Dajjal in our dimension of space and time."

In reference to Dajjal's island being the UK and then taking the above answer into account I as a fan of Shaykh Hossein do find it difficult to understand and will contact Shaykh for an explanation.

In regards to 'How can a boat float along from Jeddah to UK with that level of technology?' brother a miracle of Allah can make the boat travel from Jeddah to the UK in a blink of an eye such as the way the companions of the cave explained in surah Kahf slept for almost 300 years, just the way Our beloved (saws) was taken to the heavens so this shouldn't be a question to worry about but the rest of it does require deeper explanation.

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Old 06-15-2012, 09:35 PM   #8
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As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu,

In reagrds to Tamin Dari (RA) meeting Dajjal, thsi is taken from Shaykh Imran Hossein's official website under the question and answer section.
http://www.imranhosein.org/faq/55-si...n-of-time.html

The question was asked "How could Tamim al-Dari have seen Dajjal if he is not in our dimension of time?"
The answer was "I do not believe that this was an actual journey. Rather, I believe that Tamim al-Dari most probably had a vision and not an actual experience with a meeting with Dajjal in our dimension of space and time."

In reference to Dajjal's island being the UK and then taking the above answer into account I as a fan of Shaykh Hossein do find it difficult to understand and will contact Shaykh for an explanation.

In regards to 'How can a boat float along from Jeddah to UK with that level of technology?' brother a miracle of Allah can make the boat travel from Jeddah to the UK in a blink of an eye such as the way the companions of the cave explained in surah Kahf slept for almost 300 years, just the way Our beloved (saws) was taken to the heavens so this shouldn't be a question to worry about but the rest of it does require deeper explanation.

Jazak-Allah
Was-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakatuhu`
Brother,

So in the first instance the Shaykh (HA) is rejecting the opinion of overwhelming majority of Muslims and claiming that Tamim Dari (RA) had a vision and it wasn’t a physically contact.

In general here is what I find difficult, you either try to make rational (logical or scientific) explanations OR you rely on these matters being of Karaamah. You can’t chop/change when you are pushed into a corner and asked for an explanation.

You can’t claim PHYSICAL MEETING of Tamim Dari (RA) which implies

  • That he entered another continuum
  • And then also claim that his boat ride from Jeddah to UK was miraculous.


If our Shaykh (HA) is claiming that Tamim Dari (RA) had a vision then he is under no obligation to explain the boatride but then he has to clearly say that I am departing from the understanding of all Scholars and claiming this to be a vision.

Do you get me?

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Old 06-15-2012, 09:37 PM   #9
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I asked a question about the hadith of Tamim Al Dari (RA) and the concept of the time mentioned such as day like a year etc and the suhaba (RA) asking about salah and the response from Shaykh Imran Hossein was ..

"My attempt in explaining it can be found in the chapter on THE QURAN AND TIME in my book entitled Surah al-Kahf and the Modern Age.

If you are not convinced by my explanation I can offer nothing more.

with love,"

I haven't had time or a chance to go and read this section.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:39 PM   #10
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Brother,

So in the first instance the Shaykh (HA) is rejecting the opinion of overwhelming majority of Muslims and claiming that Tamim Dari (RA) had a vision and it wasn’t a physically contact.

In general here is what I find difficult, you either try to make rational (logical or scientific) explanations OR you rely on these matters being of Karaamah. You can’t chop/change when you are pushed into a corner and asked for an explanation.

You can’t claim PHYSICAL MEETING of Tamim Dari (RA) which implies

  • That he entered another continuum
  • And then also claim that his boat ride from Jeddah to UK was miraculous.


If our Shaykh (HA) is claiming that Tamim Dari (RA) had a vision then he is under no obligation to explain the boatride but then he has to clearly say that I am departing from the understanding of all Scholars and claiming this to be a vision.

Do you get me?

As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu,
I agree brother I have had previous email exchanges with Shaykh Hossein but believe he is very busy at the moment.
If you could be so kind to put an email together with the points mentioned I will be more than happy to contact Shaykh for an explanation.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:42 PM   #11
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As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu,
I agree brother I have had previous email exchanges with Shaykh Hossein but believe he is very busy at the moment.
If you could be so kind to put an email together with the points mentioned I will be more than happy to contact Shaykh for an explanation.
Was-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakatuhu`


I have closely watched our Shaykh (HA)'s lectures and it appears that his ultimate defense is "This is my explaination and my opinion and you don't have to agree with it and in that case what's yours?"

I am not a Scholar but trying to understand his theory, I have nothing to offer myself as I am not well versed in Qur'aa & Sunnah myself.

So is it worth contacting him?

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Old 06-15-2012, 09:47 PM   #12
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I have closely watched our Shaykh (HA)'s lectures and it appears that his ultimate defense is "This is my explaination and my opinion and you don't have to agree with it and in that case what's yours?"

I am not a Scholar but trying to understand his theory, I have nothing to offer myself as I am not well versed in Qur'aa & Sunnah myself.

So is it worth contacting him?

As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu,

I am also trying to understand his theory and I believe the shaykh has many good lectures and I have to admit I asked Shaykh's assistance on a matter and he was kind to help me and put me in contact with someone who further helped me so I am convinced if asked he will answer.
I know he tends to use the line "This is my explanation and my opinion and you don't have to agree with it and in that case what's yours?" this is often when people 'attack' him but if someone genuinely asks to gain an understanding Inshallah he will reply and explain.

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Old 06-15-2012, 10:17 PM   #13
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So be it if it becomes spoiling the sport.

All of us know space. We see it around us.
In this case we talk about locations and separations in space.

All of us know time. It flies by us.
In this case we talk about moments and their differences.

When we combine them together then we call it spacetime.
Very good.

Now you shall not talk of locations and moments.
Those were the things for space and time separately.

In spacetime we must talk of something else. What could it be?
Well it should have space and it should have time.
Any guess?

There are events. Events take place at space time points. Spark goes on at a location at some time.

An even can be influenced only by its past light cone and it can influence only the events lying in its future light cone.

Please do not get put-off. There is a possibility that these considerations might be of some help.

But then the question remains - if you want to know the date of Judgement Day what preparation have you done for that?
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:12 AM   #14
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We better stay away from theories.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:55 AM   #15
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He also has a theory somewhere that the Muslims are going to ally with Russia because there is a hadith where the Muslims are told they will ally themselves with Rum. He somehow interprets Rum to be the East Orthodox Church whereas Rum clearly means Rome. I assume he interprets this hadith in this way because he probably considers Rome to be part of Gog/Magog and since Russia is currently (apparently) anti US/UK, he automatically considers them natural allies (just as he thinks Assad isn't a genocidal maniac because the US are against him). This guy literally must have first learnt about the NWO conspiracy theory and from then on, made it his life's work to fit Islam into this theory, whether it made sense or not

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Old 06-16-2012, 06:42 AM   #16
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He somehow interprets Rum to be the East Orthodox Church whereas Rum clearly means Rome.
As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu,

Brother I would love to hear more on why you think Rum clearly means Rome, apart from them sounding the same can you shed more light please?

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Old 06-16-2012, 11:13 AM   #17
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As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuhu,

Brother I would love to hear more on why you think Rum clearly means Rome, apart from them sounding the same can you shed more light please?

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I thought the word 'Rum' meant the general direction of Europe . Taking in to context in the time of the Shahaba Rum was the only known empire / people known to them in the direction of Europe.

Which makes it possible the political power at the time of Mahdi will be in the hands of a number of cities in
Europe not necessarily Rome or even the eastern orthodox or like Imran hossain likes to say London, UK .

Contributed my two bits to the confusion .
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:58 PM   #18
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He also has a theory somewhere that the Muslims are going to ally with Russia because there is a hadith where the Muslims are told they will ally themselves with Rum. He somehow interprets Rum to be the East Orthodox Church whereas Rum clearly means Rome. I assume he interprets this hadith in this way because he probably considers Rome to be part of Gog/Magog and since Russia is currently (apparently) anti US/UK, he automatically considers them natural allies (just as he thinks Assad isn't a genocidal maniac because the US are against him). This guy literally must have first learnt about the NWO conspiracy theory and from then on, made it his life's work to fit Islam into this theory, whether it made sense or not

I'm pretty sure "Rome" refers to the Byzantines, because by that time, the Western Roman empire (the "Rome" of Julius Ceasar) didn't exist anymore.

Now I don't know if I would go so far as to claim it refers to the Eastern Orthodox Church or Russia. That seems like a stretch.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:56 AM   #19
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I wonder why Muslims believe in the interpretations of this man when such interpretations have never been found in the early books of this Ummah? He also believes the sun has already risen from the West apparently

'But this sign has provoked numerous other non-literal interpretations, all of which agree that it has already occurred. Our view is that the rising of the sun from the West symbolizes an upside– down world in which mankind is led by their noses to a way of life which would be the very opposite of that natural way ordained by Allah. Natural money, for example, so identified in the Qur’an, is derived from precious metals. When such money is in short supply in a market such as Madina’s, then a substitute in the form of commodities such as wheat, barley, dates, salt, etc., can temporarily take its place. Around the world today that natural money with intrinsic value has been displaced by artificial money with no intrinsic value and it is used as an instrument of oppression. That upside-down unnatural way of life has already been accepted by most of mankind. In this sense, therefore, the sun is already rising from the West. And Allah Knows best!'

http://www.imranhosein.org/articles/...-occurred.html

There are Sahih Hadith which tell us that repentance is not accepted after this sign manifests itself. Maybe he'll interpret that 'metaphorically' too though, depending on whether he likes the idea of no more repentance or not, just as he interprets many hadith metaphorically because they fit into his warped conspiracy fed world view.

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Old 06-17-2012, 05:05 AM   #20
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He also seems to think all white people are Yajuj and Majuj whereas Yajuj and Majuj are released after the descent of Isa are they not?


Al-Baihaqee related that Al-Haakim said, "The first of the signs to
appear is the coming out of the Dajjaal; then the descending of 'Eesa ibn Maryam a.s. then the opening of Yajooj and Majooj (Gog and
Magog); then the coming out of the Beast; and then the rising of the
sun from its west. If it rises from its west, all on earth will believe;
were the descending of 'Eesa to occur after the rising of the sun from
the west, then there would be no disbeliever on the earth."


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