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http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/...divine-decree/

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"Nothing can change the Divine Decree except dua." - Jami' Al-Tirmidhi

Taqdeer is Pre-destiny; Qadaa is Allah's foreknowledge of events prior to occurence; Qadr is Allah's bringing into existence those events in accordance to His Knowledge.

However, the dua itself is pre-destined. It can be understood that, so and so will at a specific time make this XYZ dua which will result in the change of his taqdeer. Even though the taqdeer did change due to his Dua, but the whole thing itself was pre-destined to happen.

Wahb ibn Munabbih (rahmatullah alayhi, who was amongst the Tabi'een) said, "I looked into the matter of qadar, and I was bewildered. I looked into it again, and I was still bewildered. I then concluded that the most knowledgeable of people regarding qadar are those who keep the farthest away from it, and the most ignorant of people regarding qadar are those who talk most about it."

The above quote is supported by the hadith:
"When destiny is discussed, restrain yourself from it." - Tabarani.

Also, one should have the courage to accept things that are not understandable to oneself. As Allah states, "And of knowledge you have been given but little" (17:85)

And Allah knows best.

Taken from askimam.org by Mufti Ebrahim Desai DB

hamdulilah I am really glad that I don't have to understand it, because I really can't.

But now I have another question, this time I should understand it indeed:
there are ayats in the quran that states that believers won't fear and grieve, but then another ayat states that we will be tested with fear, loss of wealth etc.. and other ayats states that those who are not believers will be punished in this world and in the next.. and there's also a hadith that states those who Allah loves the most are tesed by Allah the most, with suffering etc.. now I am a little confused.. don't know what to think.. what should I think about this?

Ive been suffering a lot lately, and sometimes I thought probabily it's because I am not a good believer, then when I read about that hadith I thout maybe Allah loves me indeed.. and then when I read other things I thought maybe I am just punished or cursed by Allah, hamdulilah now Ive stopped thinking like this bcuz what ever is the reason I just can't know it so it's useless reflecting on why I fell in such depression and waswasah.. but I am still confused about those ayat and hadith.. what should I think? How should I understand this?

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hamdulilah I am really glad that I don't have to understand it, because I really can't.

But now I have another question, this time I should understand it indeed:
there are ayats in the quran that states that believers won't fear and grieve, but then another ayat states that we will be tested with fear, loss of wealth etc.. and other ayats states that those who are not believers will be punished in this world and in the next.. and there's also a hadith that states those who Allah loves the most are tesed by Allah the most, with suffering etc.. now I am a little confused.. don't know what to think.. what should I think about this?

Ive been suffering a lot lately, and sometimes I thought probabily it's because I am not a good believer, then when I read about that hadith I thout maybe Allah loves me indeed.. and then when I read other things I thought maybe I am just punished or cursed by Allah, hamdulilah now Ive stopped thinking like this bcuz what ever is the reason I just can't know it so it's useless reflecting on why I fell in such depression and waswasah.. but I am still confused about those ayat and hadith.. what should I think? How should I understand this?

I'd say in short that it's all about how you react to what befalls over you.

If something "good" happens to you and you give thanks to Allah, that was a blessing.
If something "bad" happens to you and you persevere with sabr and ask Him for help and accept his Qadr, that too will become a "blessing" for you, as you turned to Allah then too.

While,
If something "good" happens to you and you grow kibr in your heart, that was actually a curse for you.
If something "bad" happens to you and you don't turn to Allah for help or "complain" to him, that indeed was a curse.

So "good" and "bad" in reality are such according to how we "react" to them.

Everything in this life is a test, both "good" happenings and "bad" ones.
You don't know "why" you are tested nor what's there hidden for you in the future, nor you can know already now in this life if you'll be saved or not, but you know how to "react" to pass these tests: always remembering Allah in every condition and submitting to him..

And Allah knows best.

[68AttendGem]

I'd say in short that it's all about how you react to what befalls over you.

If something "good" happens to you and you give thanks to Allah, that was a blessing.
If something "bad" happens to you and you persevere with sabr and ask Him for help and accept his Qadr, that too will become a "blessing" for you, as you turned to Allah then too.

While,
If something "good" happens to you and you grow kibr in your heart, that was actually a curse for you.
If something "bad" happens to you and you don't turn to Allah for help or "complain" to him, that indeed was a curse.

So "good" and "bad" in reality are such according to how we "react" to them.

Everything in this life is a test, both "good" happenings and "bad" ones.
You don't know "why" you are tested nor what's there hidden for you in the future, nor you can know already now in this life if you'll be saved or not, but you know how to "react" to pass these tests: always remembering Allah in every condition and submitting to him..

And Allah knows best.

Actually I don't know if my reaction was good or not, but I know for sure that I asked him for help, may Allah swt forgive me.

[Imampaictjg]

I'd say in short that it's all about how you react to what befalls over you.

If something "good" happens to you and you give thanks to Allah, that was a blessing.
If something "bad" happens to you and you persevere with sabr and ask Him for help and accept his Qadr, that too will become a "blessing" for you, as you turned to Allah then too.

While,
If something "good" happens to you and you grow kibr in your heart, that was actually a curse for you.
If something "bad" happens to you and you don't turn to Allah for help or "complain" to him, that indeed was a curse.

So "good" and "bad" in reality are such according to how we "react" to them.

Everything in this life is a test, both "good" happenings and "bad" ones.
You don't know "why" you are tested nor what's there hidden for you in the future, nor you can know already now in this life if you'll be saved or not, but you know how to "react" to pass these tests: always remembering Allah in every condition and submitting to him..

And Allah knows best.

MashaAllah Umar,great post...and very beneficial.
Every thing which affects one,s mind is significant,otherwise these are just 'events'.
Where Quran says 'no fear on them nor will they grieve'....talks of their mental response to an event or events.Fear is -for future,HUZN,on the other hand is being sorry for the past events.So these two things can not affect a Momen mentally,incidents will happen,they may suffer physical,mental torture,they will be tested with fear.....but their response to every event will be different ie with peace full acceptance and surrender to the will of Allah swt.
Jazak. for your post

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What I need to know is, do we have to understand everything to be true believers?

No. You do not have to understand everything to be a true believer.
You have to make your decision much before that.
Much before you understand everything - if that is possible at all.
You have to decide with partial knowledge - after all faith is about unseen.

However , deep down this free will is just an illusion and religion has nothing to do with this illusion.

This is slightly problematic. We, , have the precise expression for the corresponding ideas. This is there in the last two or three Verses of Surah Takweer. In few words our free will is thoroughly subordinate to Allah (SWT)'s Will.

Whatever we do out of our own choice is already in the Knowledge of Allah and written in The Tablet. However, His Knowledge does not compel us to perform the acts.

Wassalam,
I hope this was of assistance to you.

Nice points akhi.
My impression is that looking at the problem, over the time, from different angles should lead one to the target.

What is Calvinism?
cal·vin·ism/ˈkalvəˌnizəm/
Noun:
The Protestant theological system of John Calvin, which emphasizes the irresistibility of grace and the doctrine of predestination. Surah Takweer 81: 27 - 29
It is not except a reminder to the worlds.

For whoever wills among you to take a right course.

And you do not will except that Allah wills - Lord of the worlds. They do look the same, as brother Equalizer says.

But it covers only the second part of the assertion in last two Verses of Surah Takweer.
It leaves out the first part - that we have limited free will.

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I'll jump onto quantum mechanics later on. Lord Most Compassionate Willing.