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Old 12-04-2009, 05:42 AM   #1
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Default Commonly narrated fabricated hadiths
Assalam o alaykum,

It was narrated by Sayyiduna ‘Ali (may Allah be pleased with him):

“The Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: Do not tell lies about me. Whoever tells lies about me, let him enter the Fire.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, 106).

Narrated Salama (may Allah be pleased with her): I heard the Holy Prophet saying,

"Whoever (intentionally) ascribes to me what I have not said then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire." (Sahih al-Bukhari, 109).

This thread is for posting commonly mentioned fabricated (mawdu') hadiths that are narrated in lectures or books, etc.

Note: Make sure to give proper reference.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:49 AM   #2
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Source : http://www.banuri.edu.pk/node/87
Author : Mufti Yusuf Abdur Razzaq ( son of Dr. Abdur Razzaq Iskandar Hafidhahullah )

One such fabrication is common in Urdu language

”اے میرے بندے! ایک تیری چاہت ہے اور ایک میری چاہت ہے، اگر تو میری چاہت پر اپنی چاہت کو قربان کردے تو میں تیری چاہت میں تیری کفایت کروں گا اور ہوگا وہی جو میں چاہوں گا۔ اور اگر تو میری چاہت پر اپنی چاہت کو قربان نہ کرے‘ تو میں تم کو تیری چاہت میں تھکا دونگا اور ہوگا وہی جو میں چاہوں گا“۔


Translation is :

"O my slave, there is your intention, and there is my intention , if you sacrifice your intentions over mine, then I will help in your intentions, and only that what is my intention will happen. And if you do not sacrifice your intentions over mine, then I will tire you in pursuit of what you intend... and only that will happen what I like."


Just to add, there are different versions of this fabrication , this is the shortest one. Read the Article above for research over it. I've been in pursuit of this fabrication since 2000, when it became popular with the song of a Pakistani Singer "Jawwad Ahmad".
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:38 AM   #3
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by Imam Lukhnawi,

منها ما يذكره الوعاظ من أن النبي كان عالما بالقرآن بتمامه وتاليا له من حين ولادته وإن معنى قوله ما أنا قارئ في جواب قول وجبريل له عند بدء الوحي اقرأ علي ما ورد في صحيح البخاري وغيره إني لا أقرأ بأمرك فإني عالم به وقارئ من قبل هذا فرية بلا مرية تكذبها الآيات القرآنية والأخبار النبوية منها ما يذكرونه من أنه لم يكن أميا بل كان قادرا على الكتابة والتلاوة من ابتداء الفطرة وهذا قول مخالف للكتاب والسنة بل وإجماع الأمة فلا عبرة به عند أرباب الفطنة ومنها ما يذكرونه عند ذكر حسن

"One of them is what is mentioned by the sermonizers that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) knew the whole Qur’an and recited it from his birth. As far as his saying ‘I am not a reader’ in the response of Gabriel (may the peace of Allah be upon him) at the time of first revelation which is narrated by Sahih Bukhari and others, it means (according to these sermonizers): I (the Prophet) will not read with your order as I know it already and recite it regularly. This is no doubt fabrication rejected by the Qur’anic verses and Prophetic traditions. Also, they say that he was not illiterate; rather he was able to write and recite by nature. This is also opposed to the Qur’an, Sunnah and even the unanimity (Ijma) of the Ummah; therefore it has no significance in the eyes of the intelligentsia."
Imam 'Abd al-Hay Lukhnawi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes at another place in Al-Athar al-Marfu’a,

الآثار المرفوعة ج:1 ص:42
وقال أيضا قبل ذلك بأوراق عديدة أما ما ذكر من أن الله قبض من نور وجهه قبضة ونظر إليها فعرقت وذلقت فخلق الله من كل نقطة نبيا وإن القبضة كانت هي النبي وإنه كان كوكبا دريا وإن العالم كله خلق منه وإنه كان موجودا قبل أن يخلق أبواه وإنه كان يحفظ القرآن قبل أن يأتيه جبريل وأمثال هذه الأمور فقال الحافظ أبو العباس أحمد بن تيمية في فتاويه ونقله الحافظ ابن كثير في تاريخه وأقره كل ذلك كذب مفترى باتفاق أهل العلم بحديثه انتهى

“As far as what is mentioned that Allah Most High picked up a handful from the light of Himself and cast a look at it, so it perspired and dropped, so Allah created out of every drop a prophet. The handful was the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), he was like a brilliant star and the entire world was created out of it. He was present before his parents were born and he committed the Qur’an to his memory before Gabriel came to him and so on. Hafiz Abul Abbas Ahmad bin Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in his Fatawa and Hafiz ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) in his History that all these things are fabricated lies according to all scholars.”

[Al-Athar al-Marfu’a, 1:42]
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48173
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:42 AM   #4
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Taken from here. May be compiled by a person you don't agree with, but I suppose better to avoid narrating these ahadeeth unless proven otherwise.

Some of the hadeeth below are labeled fabricated/baseless, and some are very weak. I am posting them both as Mufti Husain sahab says that the ruling is the same for them when it comes to quoting them.

Compiled by Shaykh Ihsan Al-`Utaibi (May Allah preserve him)

12 - Whoever sleeps after 'Asr and loses his mind should blame none but himself. Ibn Al-Jawzi mentioned it in his book of fabricated traditions "Al-Mawdo'at" (3/69), and Al-Suyuti in "Al-La'ali' Al-Masnoo'a" (2/279), and Al-Dhahabi in "Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo'at" (839)

16 - Disagreement amongst my Ummah is a mercy. Fabricated "Al-Asrar Al-Marfoo'a" (506), "Tanzeeh Al-Sharee'a" (2/402), and Al-Albani said: it is baseless "Al-Da'eefa" (11)

17 - My Companions are like the stars; whichever of them you follow, you will be rightly guided, and in another narration: My Companions are like the stars; whichever of them you take his opinion, you will be rightly guided. Ibn Hazm said: a fabricated void false tradition, that was never found to be authentic "Al-Ihkaam fee Usool Al-Ahkaam" (5/64), and (6/82). Al-Albani said: Fabricated "Al-Da'eefa" (66), and see also "Jami' Bayan Al-Ilm wa Fadlih" by ibn Abdilbar (2/91)

18 - He, who knows himself, knows his Lord. Fabricated "Al-Asrar Al-Marfoo'a" (506), "Tanzeeh Al-Sharee'a" (2/402), and "Tazkirat Al-Mawdoo'at" (11)

32 - One Hour of Contemplation is better than Sixty years of Worship. Fabricated; "Tanzeeh Al-Sharee'a" (2/305), "Al-Fawaid Al-Majmoo'a" (723), and "Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo'at" (964)

37 - If not for you (O Muhammad!) I would not have created this World (dunia). Fabricated; "Al-Lo'lo' Al-Marsuu' " by Al-Mishmishi (454), "Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo'at" (196), and "Al-Da'eefa" (282)

63 - 'O Jibreel, describe for me the Fire, and tell me about Hell. So Jibreel said: Allah Ta'ala fanned jahannam (Hell) for a thousand years until its color turned red. Thereafter he fanned it for a thousand years until its color turned white. He then fanned it for another thousand years until it turned black in color. So it is absolutely black… [Long hadith]. Fabricated; "Al-Haythami" (10/387), and "Al-Da'eefa" (910)

66 - The Substitutes (Al-Abdaal) in this Community (Ummah) are thirty like Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful. Every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another one in his place. Fabricated; "Al-Asraar Al-Marfoo'a" by Ali Al-Qari (470), "Tameez Al-Tayib min Al-Khabeeth" by ibn Al-Dayba' (7), and "Al-Manaar Al-Maneef" by ibn Al-Qayim (308)

71 - The (evil) gaze is a (poisonous) arrow from the arrows of Iblis (Satan). He that abstains from it out of my fear, I will grant him in return such Imaan (faith), the sweetness of which he will experience within his heart. Very weak; "Al-Targheeb wa Al-Tarheeb" by Al-Munziri (4/106), "Majma' Al-Zawai'd" by Al-Haythami (8/63), and "Talkhees Al-Mustadrak" by Al-Dhahabi (4/314)

78 - Love of this world (dunia) is the root of all evil. Fabricated; "Ahadeeth Al-Qasaas" by ibn Taymiyah (7), "Al-Asraar Al-Marfoo'a" (1/163), and "Tazkirat Al-Mawdoo'at" (173)

80 - Everything has a bride, and the bride of the Quran is Surah Al Rahman. Rejected (Munkar); "Al-Da'eefa" (1350)

85 - The grip (the treatment) of the Angel of Death is harder/harsher than thousand strikes of a sword. Very Weak; "Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo'at" by Al-Dhahabi (1071), and "Al-Mawdoo'at" by ibn Al-Jawzi (3/220)

90 - Do not let water be the last of your meal. Baseless; "Al-Da'eefa" (2096)

91 - Truly, hearts rust just as iron rusts, and their polishing is Istighfar (seeking forgiveness). Fabricated; "Zakherat Al-Hufaz" (2/1978), and "Al-Da'eefa" (2242)

92 - We have come back from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad. Baseless; "Al-Asraar Al-Marfoo'a" (211), and "Tazkirat Al-Mawdoo'at" by Al-Fitni (191)

94 - `Abd Ar-Rahman Ibn `Awf enters Paradise crawling. Fabricated; "Al-Manaar Al-Maneef" by ibn Al-Qayim (306), and "Al-Fawaid Al-Majmoo'a" by Al-Shawkani (1184)

And Allaah knows best.
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:55 AM   #5
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17 - My Companions are like the stars; whichever of them you follow, you will be rightly guided, and in another narration: My Companions are like the stars; whichever of them you take his opinion, you will be rightly guided. Ibn Hazm said: a fabricated void false tradition, that was never found to be authentic "Al-Ihkaam fee Usool Al-Ahkaam" (5/64), and (6/82). Al-Albani said: Fabricated "Al-Da'eefa" (66), and see also "Jami' Bayan Al-Ilm wa Fadlih" by ibn Abdilbar (2/91)
This hadith is accepted by most scholars. Read for a detailed explanation why this hadeeth is Sahih by Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://www.al-inaam.com/dhadith/qna/companionstars.htm

Also the site you pasted is not a reliable resource,

Secondly, Albani is not a reliable resource. He had shiddat/prejudice in his works.

Thirdly , Dha'eef does not mean "Fabricated", Maudhoo means "Fabricated".

Albani Rahimahullah's major problem was that he never looked into the saying of the fuqahaa. That's because his major inspiration was the words of Indian Ghair Muqallid scholars "Nawab Siddique Hassan Qannoji" and his students, which was refuted back then by Maulana Abdul Hayee Lucknowi Rahimahullah.

This hadeeth is Hasan li ghairyihi , and according to some ulama Hasan Li'dhatihi. Meaning , although the chain of narrations is not strong enough, but the subject and the number of narrations, and above all, the ta'mul of Ummah upon it makes it Saheeh.
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:12 AM   #6
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@ br. Usman,

1. The ahadeeth posted have been classified as what they are not only by Sheikh Albani (rah), but others as well.
2. I have already mentioned why I have posted both fabricated and 'very weak' (not just 'weak') ahadeeth in my post. Please read the second paragraph of the previous post.



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Old 12-04-2009, 09:48 AM   #7
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Not just that Hadith, but a lot of the Ahadith on that list are considered safe to relate by a lot of scholars.
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:07 AM   #8
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Not just that Hadith, but a lot of the Ahadith on that list are considered safe to relate by a lot of scholars.
Substantiate... tackle every that hadith with proper proofs that u think many others have accepted and no hollow claims...

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Old 12-04-2009, 11:24 AM   #9
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Hafidh Ibn al-Jawzi, Shaykh Albani, even Imam ibn Taymiyya can't be taken for their words alone.

Regarding The abdal hadith, Hafidh Sakhawi says regarding one particular chain after quoting, "The Budala' are in Sham, and they're 40 men, every time one of them dies, another is replaced in his place... "the men are from the Sahih narrators, except for Shurayh, he is thiqa" What supports the hadith of Abdal are the statements of scholars who used it, from the time of salaf, from them Imam Shafi'i, Imam Ahmed, Imam Bukhari. Another hadith in Sunan Abi Dawud mentions 'Abdal us Sham أبدال ‏ ‏الشام

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...Doc=4&Rec=5392






One saying i've heard, and is very famous is, "the scholars of my Ummah are like the Prophets of Bani Isra'il", Hafidh Sakhawi says, "our Shaykh (ibn Hajar) and those before him, Damiri and Zakarakshi, 'It has no basis.


'Allama Azeemabadi, Famous Ahle Hadith scholar: http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...=1&doc=4#Desc1 Commentary on the hadith of Abdal.

: جَمْع بَدَل بِفَتْحَتَيْنِ قَالَ فِي النِّهَايَة : هُمْ الْأَوْلِيَاء وَالْعُبَّاد الْوَاحِد بَدَل سُمُّوا بِذَلِكَ لِأَنَّهُمْ كُلَّمَا مَاتَ مِنْهُمْ وَاحِد أُبْدِلَ بِآخَر قَالَ السُّيُوطِيُّ فِي مِرْقَاة الصُّعُود . لَمْ يَرِد فِي الْكُتُب السِّتَّة ذِكْر الْأَبْدَال إِلَّا فِي هَذَا الْحَدِيث عِنْد أَبِي دَاوُدَ وَقَدْ أَخْرَجَهُ الْحَاكِم فِي الْمُسْتَدْرَك وَصَحَّحَهُ , وَوَرَدَ فِيهِمْ أَحَادِيث كَثِيرَة خَارِج السِّتَّة جَمَعْتهَا فِي مُؤَلَّف اِنْتَهَى . ‏
‏قُلْت : إِنَّا نَذْكُر هَا هُنَا بَعْض الْأَحَادِيث الْوَارِدَة فِي شَأْن الْأَبْدَال تَتْمِيمًا لِلْفَائِدَةِ , فَمِنْهَا مَا رَوَاهُ أَحْمَد فِي مُسْنَده عَنْ عُبَادَةَ بْن الصَّامِت مَرْفُوعًا الْأَبْدَال فِي هَذِهِ الْأَمَة ثَلَاثُونَ رَجُلًا قُلُوبهمْ عَلَى قَلْب إِبْرَاهِيم خَلِيل الرَّحْمَن كُلَّمَا مَاتَ رَجُل أَبْدَلَ اللَّه مَكَانه رَجُلًا أَوْرَدَهُ السُّيُوطِيّ فِي الْجَامِع الصَّغِير , وَقَالَ الْعَزِيزِيّ وَالْمُنَاوِيّ فِي شَرْحه بِإِسْنَادٍ صَحِيح , وَمِنْهَا مَا رَوَاهُ عُبَّاده بْن الصَّامِت " الْأَبْدَال فِي أُمَّتِي ثَلَاثُونَ بِهِمْ تَقُوم الْأَرْض وَبِهِمْ تُمْطَرُونَ وَبِهِمْ تُنْصَرُونَ " رَوَاهُ الطَّبَرَانِيُّ فِي الْكَبِير أَوْرَدَهُ السُّيُوطِيُّ فِي الْكِتَاب الْمَذْكُور وَقَالَ الْعَزِيزِيّ وَالْمُنَاوِيّ بِإِسْنَادٍ صَحِيح , وَمِنْهَا مَا رَوَاهُ عَوْف بْن مَالِك " الْأَبْدَال فِي أَهْل الشَّام وَبِهِمْ يُنْصَرُونَ وَبِهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ " أَخْرَجَهُ الطَّبَرَانِيُّ فِي الْكَبِير أَوْرَدَهُ السُّيُوطِيّ فِي الْكِتَاب الْمَذْكُور قَالَ الْعَزِيزِيّ وَالْمُنَاوِيّ إِسْنَاده حَسَن , وَمِنْهَا مَا رَوَاهُ عَلِيّ رَضِيَ اللَّه عَنْهُ الْأَبْدَال بِالشَّامِ وَهُمْ أَرْبَعُونَ رَجُلًا كُلَّمَا مَاتَ رَجُل أَبْدَلَ اللَّه مَكَانه رَجُلًا يُسْقَى بِهِمْ الْغَيْث وَيُنْتَصَر بِهِمْ عَلَى الْأَعْدَاء وَيُصْرَف عَنْ أَهْل الشَّام بِهِمْ الْعَذَاب , أَخْرَجَهُ أَحْمَد وَقَالَ الْعَزِيزِيّ وَالْمُنَاوِيّ بِإِسْنَادٍ حَسَن قَالَ الْمُنَاوِيُّ زَادَ فِي رِوَايَة الْحَكِيم " لَمْ يَسْبِقُوا النَّاس بِكَثْرَةِ صَلَاة وَلَا صَوْم وَلَا تَسْبِيح وَلَكِنْ بِحُسْنِ الْخُلُق وَصِدْق الْوَرَع وَحُسْن النِّيَّة وَسَلَامَة الصَّدْر أُولَئِكَ حِزْب اللَّه " وَقَالَ : لَا يُنَافِي خَبَر الْأَرْبَعِينَ خَبَر الثَّلَاثِينَ لِأَنَّ الْجُمْلَة أَرْبَعُونَ رَجُلًا فَثَلَاثُونَ عَلَى قَلْب إِبْرَاهِيم وَعَشَرَة لَيْسُوا كَذَلِكَ , وَمِنْهَا مَا ذَكَرَ أَبُو نُعَيْم الْأَصْفَهَانِيّ فِي حِلْيَة الْأَوْلِيَاء بِإِسْنَادِهِ عَنْ اِبْن عُمَر رَضِيَ اللَّه عَنْهُ قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ " خِيَار أُمَّتِي فِي كُلّ قَرْن خَمْس مِائَة وَالْأَبْدَال أَرْبَعُونَ , فَلَا الْخَمْس مِائَة يَنْقُصُونَ وَلَا الْأَرْبَعُونَ كُلَّمَا مَاتَ رَجُل أَبْدَلَ اللَّه عَزَّ وَجَلَّ مِنْ الْخَمْس مِائَة مَكَانه وَأُدْخِلَ فِي الْأَرْبَعِينَ وَكَأَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا : يَا رَسُول اللَّه دُلَّنَا عَلَى أَعْمَالهمْ قَالَ : يَعْفُونَ عَمَّنْ ظَلَمَهُمْ وَيُحْسِنُونَ إِلَى مَنْ أَسَاءَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَيَتَوَاسَوْنَ فِي مَا آتَاهُمْ اللَّه عَزَّ وَجَلَّ " أَوْرَدَهُ الْقَارِي فِي الْمِرْقَاة وَلَمْ يَذْكُر تَمَام إِسْنَاده . ‏
‏وَاعْلَمْ أَنَّ الْعُلَمَاء ذَكَرُوا فِي وَجْه تَسْمِيَة الْأَبْدَال وُجُوهًا مُتَعَدِّدَة وَمَا يُفْهَم مِنْ هَذِهِ الْأَحَادِيث مِنْ وَجْه التَّسْمِيَة هُوَ الْمُعْتَمَد . ‏
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:41 AM   #10
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One saying i've heard, and is very famous is, "the scholars of my Ummah are like the Prophets of Bani Isra'il", Hafidh Sakhawi says, "our Shaykh (ibn Hajar) and those before him, Damiri and Zakarakshi, 'It has no basis.


You mean this hadeeth is fabricated? we hear it a lot in lectures...
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:00 PM   #11
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You mean this hadeeth is fabricated? we hear it a lot in lectures...
Wa 'alaykumus Salam

Yes, it has no basis (fabricated)

Another:

"Whoever knows himself, knows his lord". "it's known as being Marfu' (ascribed to the Prophet), it's been related as a saying of Yahya bin Mua'adh ar-Razi,

Imam Nawawi said, "it's hasn't been established (as being a hadith)".
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:06 PM   #13
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The hadeeth, “Whoever neglects prayer, Allaah will send fifteen punishments upon him, six in this world, three when he is dying, three in the grave and three when he emerges form the grave…” is a fabricated (mawdoo’) hadeeth which is falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This is one of the fabricated ahaadeeth that are falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as was stated by the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on him) such as al-Haafiz al-Dhahabi in Lisaan al-Meezaan, and al-Haafiz ibn Hajar and others.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:21 AM   #14
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Assalam o alaykum,

Imam Abd al-Hayy Lakhnawi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Al-Athar al-Marfu'ah:

الآثار المرفوعة ج:1 ص:36
ذكر بعض القصص المشهورة ولنذكر ههنا بعض القصص التي أكثر وعاظ زماننا ذكرها في مجالسهم الوعظية وظنوها أمورا ثابتة مع كونها مختلقة موضوعة فمنها ما يذكرون من أن النبي لما أسري به ليلة المعراج إلى السموات العلى ووصل إلى العرش المعلى أراد خلع نعليه أخذا من قوله تعالى لسيدنا موسى حين كلمه ((فاخلع نعليك إنك بالواد المقدس طوى)) فنودي من العلي الأعلى يا محمد لا تخلع نعليك فإن العرش يتشرف بقدومك متنعلا ويفتخر على غيره متبركا فصعد النبي إلى العرش وفي قدميه النعلان وحصل له بذلك عز وشأن وقد ذكر هذه القصة جمع من أصحاب المدائح الشعرية وأدرجها بعضهم في تأليف السنية وأكثر وعاظ زماننا يذكرونها مطولة ومختصرة في مجالسهم الوعظية وقد نص أحمد المقري المالكي في كتابه فتح المتعال في مدح خير النعال والعلامة رضي الدين القزويني ومحمد بن عبد الباقي الزرقاني في رح المواهب اللدنية على أن هذه القصة موضوع بتمامها قبح الله واضعها
He narrated some famous stories, out of which we mentioned some that are commonly narrated by most of the preachers of our age in their sermonic meetings and they consider it established facts in spite of them being fabricated and manufactured. One of them, they mention that when the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was flown in the night of Ma’iraj (celestial ascension) to the high heavens and reached to the Lofty Throne, he intended to take off his shoes considering the order of Allah to the Prophet Moses when he was addressed: “so remove your shoes; you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa”. So, he was called from the Lofty Court: O Muhammad! Do not remove your shoes as the Throne will take honour in your advent wearing shoes and will take it as pride and blessings before others. So, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ascended the Throne with the shoes in his feet and thus he was granted honour and loftiness. This story was narrated by many poets who composed poems in praise of the Prophet while some have incorporated in their writings. Most of the sermonizers in our age, mention it in detail as well as in summary in their sermonic functions.

Ahmad al-Muqri Al-Maliki has expressed in his book Fathul Mut’al fi Mad’h Khair al-Ni’al, and 'Allamah Razi al-Din al-Qazwini and Muhammad bin Abd al-Baqi al-Zurqani in Sharah Mawahib al-Laduniyyah that all these stories are fabricated. May Allah uglify the fabricator!
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:05 AM   #15
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The hadeeth, “Whoever neglects prayer, Allaah will send fifteen punishments upon him, six in this world, three when he is dying, three in the grave and three when he emerges form the grave…” is a fabricated (mawdoo’) hadeeth which is falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This is one of the fabricated ahaadeeth that are falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as was stated by the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on him) such as al-Haafiz al-Dhahabi in Lisaan al-Meezaan, and al-Haafiz ibn Hajar and others.
Well, al-Dhahabi himself writes a very similar (if not exactly the same) hadith in his book on Kabair (great sins), in the section on "Neglecting Salah." One difference I could see is, the hadith in this book mentions fourteen punishments (five punishments in this world instead of six, and then three when he is dying, three in the grave and three when he emerges form the grave). He does not say it is authentic; but he included it in his book anyway. In this section he is trying to explain how great a sin it is to neglect salah.
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:21 AM   #16
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Well, al-Dhahabi himself writes a very similar (if not exactly the same) hadith in his book on Kabair (great sins), in the section on "Neglecting Salah." One difference I could see is, the hadith in this book mentions fourteen punishments (five punishments in this world instead of six, and then three when he is dying, three in the grave and three when he emerges form the grave). He does not say it is authentic; but he included it in his book anyway. In this section he is trying to explain how great a sin it is to neglect salah.



There are two edition of al-Kabair.
The famous big one, with many fabrications in it.
A smaller one, free of such fabrications.

Contemporaries differ as to which one is the actual book of Allamah Dhahabi, however many feel that the second book is really his, while the first one isn't.

The second one could be downloaded from this page.
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There exist two different copies of al-Kabair of ad-Dhahabi. One full of forgeries and very weak narrations, which cannot be properly ascribed to him. This is famous copy of the book.
The more authentic edition is the shorter one, without the forgeries.
This hadith isn't in the shorter one.

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Old 12-05-2009, 03:23 AM   #18
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akhy streetwalker you were quicker than me
beleive me i thought you have also allready share the same info when i saw your name at main page!
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:52 AM   #19
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Thank you for the information.

(One particular point isn't clear: Does the statement "This hadith isn't in the shorter one" refer to the hadith about neglecting salah?)

Perhaps al-Dhahabi himself modified the book (like preparing a second edition)?

It is of course entirely possible that a scholar may change his opinion about a certain matter (such as the authenticity of a narration). Furthermore, according to the following, al-Dhahabi disavowed a book he has written at a young age:

33. Al-`Uluw li al-`Ali al-Ghaffar ("The Exaltation of the All-High and Most-Forgiving"), a book written under Ibn Taymiyya's influence - as stated by al-Kawthari in his Maqalat - when al-Dhahabi was twenty-five and which he later disavowed as related by its copyist the hadith master Ibn Nasir al-Din al-Dimashqi (d. 842):

Its author stated - as Allah is His witness - in his own hand-writing as I read it in the margin of the original manuscript written in the year 698:

"This book contains narrations against the unreliability of which I am cautioning the reader, and the statements of a number of people who spoke in outlandish terms. Neither do I subscribe to their terms, nor do I imitate them. May Allah forgive them! Nor will I ever consider myself bound by such terms. This is my belief, and I know that Allah – "There is nothing whatsoever like unto Him" (42:11)!"41

41Cited and photo-reproduced at the beginning of Shaykh Hasan `Ali al-Saqqaf's edition of al-Dhahabi's `Uluw (p. 3-4).

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Old 12-05-2009, 04:37 AM   #20
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