[astonmartinrx371]

”But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.

The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.

Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it”

~ The Law, Frederic Bastiat

[Âåðåùàãèí]

I dont agree with bailling out industries etc but how will the khilafaah do space programs, weapon development, housing projects etc without any tax income or interest loans from banks? Id like a detailed alternate theory inshAllah on how an islamic economy could function

[Opislossy]

I dont agree with bailling out industries etc but how will the khilafaah do space programs, weapon development, housing projects etc without any tax income or interest loans from banks? Id like a detailed alternate theory inshAllah on how an islamic economy could function

Before we go into the above we first need to establsih some basic facts and to see if you agree with that or not.

I force you to hand over some of your property or I will lock you up in a jail because I want to give it to someone I think needs it. Is this theft or not? and if not why not?

[mypharmalife]

The pendulum of discourse swings a little too much one way, then too much the other way.

Some months ago, if discussion of Islamic government and administration occurs, people wanted it as centralized as possible, with some sort of police enforcing.

Now, people want to decentralize Islamic government as much as possible.

[bortycuz]

De-centralized is the natural fitra way, centralized is artificial and corrupt. Societies that are centralized are in decline spiritually and corrupt morally. Is it acceptable in Islam to have a standing army which is paid through tax revenues taken through force from the public?

The pendulum of discourse swings a little too much one way, then too much the other way.

Some months ago, if discussion of Islamic government and administration occurs, people wanted it as centralized as possible, with some sort of police enforcing.

Now, people want to decentralize Islamic government as much as possible.

[7HlBQS8j]

Bro, maintaining an army with modern equipment is crazy expensive... I don't know how it can be done without tax, unless the Army goes into business and makes money, which can be problematic.

[BypeVupyide]

Bro, maintaining an army with modern equipment is crazy expensive... I don't know how it can be done without tax, unless the Army goes into business and makes money, which can be problematic.

It is a problem and Muslims should be thinking about what they want to do instead of copying the kuffar. I am told Switzerland does not have a standing army, all citizens are trained in guerilla warfare and defence. They have not been involved in any wars for over a hundred years.

[reiseebup]

It is a problem and Muslims should be thinking about what they want to do instead of copying the kuffar. I am told Switzerland does not have a standing army, all citizens are trained in guerilla warfare and defence. They have not been involved in any wars for over a hundred years.

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

I fail to see how the the Swiss citizens being trained in warfare and not being a standing affirm has got do with anything. A lot of countries have got conscript armies. Training citizens for warfare is not free. That's why I fail to see your point. Even countries without standing armies have to maintain.

[advabHixavoip]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

I fail to see how the the Swiss citizens being trained in warfare and not being a standing affirm has got do with anything. A lot of countries have got conscript armies. Training citizens for warfare is not free. That's why I fail to see your point. Even countries without standing armies have to maintain.

Well the true jihad armies of the Khalifs were paid in booty taken from the enemy and any raids into the land of the kuffar fee sabillilah. They did not have huge armies in peace time just getting paid a salary by the government. It would be a drain. The modern kuffar do this now but it is increasingly becoming un-sustainable for them.

When kafir and modern Muslim governments cannot collect enough taxes to pay for their 'services' they borrow money and pay interest on it, future taxes go towards the payment of this interest. The government is not only doing this 'haraam' act, it is forcing future generations to pay for todays consumption. Is this halal? Can I spend and borrow money forcing my children and grandchildren to pay the interest on my debts? As I said modern governments do this.


The Destruction of the Usurious System

see: here

To impose the supremacy of our deen to Kufr is an obligation for the Muslims. Allah has made Jihad fisabilillah, halal for the Muslims. To fight fisabilillah, the first condition is that the banner of Islam must be raised high, it cannot be done by secret organizations. Kufr cannot be fought with the weapons of kufr, the military struggle cannot succeed unless we stop paying a usurious tribute to the kuffar.