[Olphander]

nope he said mehdi will be hasan askari...and harun yahya's real name is adnan okhtar not muhammad (sigh)...he probably also can't speak arabic which sadly puts him on the same level as this false claimant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swevac0Qink

He can't speak Arabic - neither can his translator.

[CIAFreeAgent]

And indeed they were working for Islam but they were also working in the interests of a man who now sits surrounded by very beautiful, but unnatural looking, girls. Who sit around him looking like bored prostitutes, covered in makeup with cheap looking wigs, collagen lips and breast implants. Those were women ? Ohhh, I had the wrong thought .

They were very very strange looking.

[67Irralphaisa]

He can't speak Arabic - neither can his translator.

check. guess that means he's off the potential mahdi list.

[Olphander]

check. guess that means he's off the potential mahdi list.

I don't know much about this topic but the Harun Yahya site claims the Mahdi will not know Arabic.

[67Irralphaisa]

I don't know much about this topic but the Harun Yahya site claims the Mahdi will not know Arabic.

:O

regardless to my knowledge adnan okhtar does not consider himself the mahdi....maybe the mahdi of the super models but not the real Imam Mahdi.

[ConoMadura]

Harun Yahya does not claim to be Mahdi.

On the contaray he has openly sworn for many times he does not claim to be Mahdi and that he will never do so

[Olphander]

Sorry if my comment was misunderstood. I didn't say he claimed to be the Mahdi. I was only replying to the issue of Arabic.

[67Irralphaisa]

btw Abu Tamim was only making a sarcastic joke.

he holds the opinions of neither nazim haqqani nor adnan oktar in any high regard (neither do I).

[ConoMadura]

that's true. he does not speak Arabic

[MAKEMONEY]

I agree with that he is merely doing outreach. If you think covering up these models with niqab should be given preference over accepting tawhid, learning the religion and lloving it, then something is wrong with your understanding. The rules of forbiddence of alcohol and hijab came later in the stages of revelation. And Quran teaches that Quran was revealed gradually so that we understand it better. So gradual learning is a key to understanding rather than just expecting women who born aand raised aa certain way to ssuddenly wear a niqab next day.

[Olphander]

Is it just me or does a new user-name pop up every time 'Harun Yahya' comes up on SF?

Here's one of many threads.

Welcome to the new Harun Yahya username(s) [in advance]!

[Olphander]

btw Abu Tamim was only making a sarcastic joke.

he holds the opinions of neither nazim haqqani nor adnan oktar in any high regard (neither do I).

Oh,

Brother Abu Tamim - please forgive me, I did not get the joke and took it literally.

[67Irralphaisa]

bro warea,

just watch a couple of his videos...you'll quickly see that something is terribly wrong with adnan okhtar...i'll let you be the judge and you'll actually see whether or not what he's doing is outreach or something else completely.

he's very similar to the witch doctor so called "peers" of india and pakistan.

regardless you'll notice that i have not criticized him for having guests on his show that were dressed unislamically (especially if they were non-muslim) as is sometimes the case. what i'm more occnerned abotu is how he behaves and acts, the image of islam that he portrays, etc....i mean how can someone praise a new muslims ocnvert and speak as if they are such an expert on silam that they know exactly what allah itneds int he future, when mahdi is coming, he knows exactly what the angels are up to etc. and then the next video he's dancing to a beat and listeing to popular hihp-hop. then he's telling people about the greatness of islam again....does this man have no self-respect?!?!?!?

http://en.harunyahya.tv/en/watch/114597/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR8QK8yMiPo

i don't hold you to be a blind person warea (i really don't know anything about you), just watch his videos on youtube and you'll quickly see that something is terribly wrong in adnan oktar's head...i'm just confused as to what his goals are or who's interests he's serving.

[ConoMadura]

Dear Warea, very true! definitely agree with you on your words. thanks for finding these words to express what you have in mind.
there is no compulsion in Islam, according to the Quran.
we cannot force someone to cover her head, or serve his/her prayer. but we can teach them the love and fear of Allah, we can teach the Quran, beauty of Islam, and the great insirah Allah gives to hearts when you love and live by Islam. and after the love of Allah and beauty of Islam & the Quran fills in the heart of a person, then he or she will naturally start living by Islam.

[MAKEMONEY]

bro warea,

just watch a couple of his videos...you'll quickly see that something is terribly wrong with adnan okhtar...i'll let you be the judge and you'll actually see whether or not what he's doing is outreach or something else completely.

he's very similar to the witch doctor so called "peers" of india and pakistan.

regardless you'll notice that i have not criticized him for having guests on his show that were dressed unislamically (especially if they were non-muslim) as is sometimes the case. what i'm more occnerned abotu is how he behaves and acts, the image of islam that he portrays, etc....i mean how can someone praise a new muslims ocnvert and speak as if they are such an expert on silam that they know exactly what allah itneds int he future, when mahdi is coming, he knows exactly what the angels are up to etc. and then the next video he's dancing to a beat and listeing to popular hihp-hop. then he's telling people about the greatness of islam again....does this man have no self-respect?!?!?!?

http://en.harunyahya.tv/en/watch/114597/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR8QK8yMiPo

i don't hold you to be a blind person warea (i really don't know anything about you), just watch his videos on youtube and you'll quickly see that something is terribly wrong in adnan oktar's head...i'm just confused as to what his goals are or who's interests he's serving.

He is not free of criticism nor sinless. When you see evil you oppose with the hand tongue or heart no doubt. And in this case you should write to him your concerns as a brother in islam and then leave it at that. His dancing video no doubt raises eyebrows aand should be questioned and spoken out against without doubt. But let's not just extrapolate that intro something else trying to guess his heart and put him into a labelled category.

Secondly he is not a Imam as such in a traditional sense nor claims to be so. But compare his deeds to ours and who has done more in bringing people to Islam? He does not show any deviance in the fundmanetals of ahlus sunnah. And many of those Mahdi rumours are wrong and just misunderstandings which I have seen being denied in his own websites. He borrows all of his end times understanding mostly from Said Nursi(as).

[Olphander]

[wrardymar]

Secondly he is not a Imam as such in a traditional sense nor claims to be so. But compare his deeds to ours and who has done more in bringing people to Islam? He does not show any deviance in the fundmanetals of ahlus sunnah. And many of those Mahdi rumours are wrong and just misunderstandings which I have seen being denied in his own websites. He borrows all of his end times understanding mostly from Said Nursi(as).

bro.
Ok he is not an imam, but he is certainly a preacher. So if people come into the folds of Islam through him, and he is doing haraam stuff shown in the video, won't the people following him think that such stuff are 'allowed' in Islam? Just a thought...

[67Irralphaisa]

Dear Warea, very true! definitely agree with you on your words. thanks for finding these words to express what you have in mind.
there is no compulsion in Islam, according to the Quran.
we cannot force someone to cover her head, or serve his/her prayer. but we can teach them the love and fear of Allah, we can teach the Quran, beauty of Islam, and the great insirah Allah gives to hearts when you love and live by Islam.

ohhh islamdawa where to begin...the misinterpetation of "no compulsion in religion" or your idea of dawa.

"compulsion" here refers to forcing someone to have a certain beleif i.e. hindu, bindu, or muslim. NOT to hijab, attending masjid for salah or any other issue...also its funny that you mention forcing people to wear hijab/niqab when none of us have actually mentioned doing anything of the sort on this thread.

let me propose a question to you, harun yahya spreads islamic beliefs while still publically engaging in many sins. do you think this is a reasonable approach to dawa?

if so, then why didn't rasulullah engage in this sort of dawa? why didn't he too engage in the sins of the jahil arabs while just preaching islamic beleifs?????

do you see a problem with this model of dawa? dawa is an invitation towards islam/Allah, the message bearer is extremely important as well, because it influences how the message will be received there fore, messenger cannot be seen to act in contradiction to the message. thus if islam is the message, is not ridiculoius that the message bearer is openly acting in contravention to the message (sinning, dancing, really stretching the bounds of his relationship with the non-mahrams around him?, this man goes so far as to praise and compliment the female guests on his show as to their beauty...SERIOUSLY people we're muslims have some haya).

how can a messengewr with garbage akhlaq actually be a dai'ee?

seriously take a page from Dr. Zakir Naik's (hafithahullah) approach to dawa, he too has TV shows, but he doesn't present racy women in wearing 10kg of makeup in his shows, and neither does he dance and listen to music (modern hip-hop), the sort regarding which there is non scholarly difference on its impermissibility.

and after the love of Allah and beauty of Islam & the Quran fills in the heart of a person, then he or she will naturally start living by Islam. o basically you're saying that love of islam and the quran has not filled the heart of harun yahya right...otherwise he would be acting in accordance with the dictates of shariah (i.e. living by islam), right?

[67Irralphaisa]

i just want to point out one thing to everyone

the purpose of this thread is not to condemn adnan okhtar to hell, obviously thats not in our power, nor to curse him.

only to highlight precisely adnan okhtar is more harm than benefit, more bakwas (an urdu term for B.S.) than good.

and therefore why his approach is in reality detrimental and not beneficial for islam. we are not saying that no benefit can come form his efforts (some benefit came out of 9/11 i.e. increased interest in islam by westerners).

yes it's true that many people, scholars included, dai'ees included commit sins and mistakes (we are all human), however they don't do them in public, nor do they advertise them, they understand that they would lose all legitimcacy if they did so....why does adnan okhtar do this...i cannot wrap my head around this.

[MAKEMONEY]

bro.
Ok he is not an imam, but he is certainly a preacher. So if people come into the folds of Islam through him, and he is doing haraam stuff shown in the video, won't the people following him think that such stuff are 'allowed' in Islam? Just a thought...

I have no issues at all in questioning any haram stuff he does. It is the right to do so when haram is done openly. But lets not extrapolate that into some conspiracy or guessing his heart as some kindoff munafiq. And even though the dancing video raises doubtful eyebrows and legitimate criticism, in the issue of giving Dawa to models I tend to disagree with the way opposition was shown here and calling them as "prostitutes" . More understanding of the person and context he lives in and the context of Dawa he gives should be there, before criticising like that.