[namaikaimvputka]

Its true. What everyone has been saying for a few years now and what I had been refusing to believe, finding every excuse that I could for him and defending him because of his good contributions to Islamic thought in its relationship with the 'modern' world.

I have been one of the biggest fans of his works, but now even I cannot deny any longer that Harun Yahya, Adnan Oktar, has either become bad or gone mad.

Over the years he and his many followers have produced a great corpus of works in support of Islam, and whatever his personal beliefs these books and dvd's are good and very well made, but I am starting to suspect that he himself has merely crested upon a wave of the work of those unnamed well intentioned Muslims who were drawn to his charisma, thinking that they were working for Islam.

And indeed they were working for Islam but they were also working in the interests of a man who now sits surrounded by very beautiful, but unnatural looking, girls. Who sit around him looking like the bored something or others, covered in makeup with cheap looking wigs, collagen lips and breast implants.

He is shaming the Muslim Ummah that has put him in a position of influence by buying his books. Not even maintaining a pretense of modesty but making comments to these girls on their their beauty whilst smiling and keeping their eye contact.

Previously I have considered such criticism to be gheeba, but now even I can see that he must be warned against, especially as these poor misled young women that sit around him likely include some gullible Muslim girls who volunteered to join his movement thinking that they were serving Allah and have ended up in such as sorry state.

None of this changes the beneficial nature or good sense of many of the Harun Yahya books, but it certainly shows that the Muslim Ummah needs to produce similar works from trustworthy and untainted sources as replacements for the function that the Harun Yahya works have been useful for over the past decade and more.

Harun Yahya is talking the talk of Islam but he must start walking the walk of Islam and stop making himself look like a dirty old man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGFrZ...feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcfrSttzaU

[movlabk]

Salaamu alaiykum
I think the OP could have been worded much better. Less of the emotion and tangential bad words and more intellectual criticism. There are ettiquetes for warning against other people if I'm not mistaken, even if that person may be doing a lot of harm. In fact, tending to emotions will make the very people you aim to convince tend to their emotion and actually become more motivated to go against what you say. We have to be rationalists. This is a reminder to everyone including myself, and I'm not just pointing to the brother and standing him out. I've seen many such behaviour from other individuals too.

[Dabdklwu]

Has anybody warned Adnan Oktar directly? We do have a similar case in India, Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, writing good books but slipping on one front. Maulana Khan has slipped, just like Harun Yahya, on the company he keeps. Only in his case the company is of communal fanatics of India. He knows that people do not like it because he has given t'aweel like Allah (SWT) has made me the means of getting work of Islam done at the expanse of Islam haters.

[Olphander]

I do not take Harun Yahya to be a single entity. Harun Yahya the production along with the lead actor, Adnan Oktar, are well aware of what is being said as they cover some of it on their little show (at least they try to and it looks like they convince themselves that they are addressing concerns but I am not convinced).

May Allah (SWT) protect us!

[namaikaimvputka]

Salaamu alaiykum
I think the OP could have been worded much better. Less of the emotion and tangential bad words and more intellectual criticism. There are ettiquetes for warning against other people if I'm not mistaken, even if that person may be doing a lot of harm. In fact, tending to emotions will make the very people you aim to convince tend to their emotion and actually become more motivated to go against what you say. We have to be rationalists. This is a reminder to everyone including myself, and I'm not just pointing to the brother and standing him out. I've seen many such behaviour from other individuals too.

Wa Alaikum Assalam

The irony is brother that I have spent rather a lot of time lately defending Adnan Oktar from attacks of things that probably aren't true and I still would, but really he is a Muslim in a position of great influence and his current very clear and multiply recorded un-Islamic social behaviour has the power to corrupt many young people, new Muslims and others who may naturally emulate him.

Strong words are sometimes the only words. The words that I have used describe the appearance that Adnan Oktar is very clearly projecting, nothing more and nothing less.

There are a lot of good capable Muslims who have devoted their lives to the mission of Harun Yahya and really I just hope and pray that they break away from him and use their skills to establish new unsullied organizations that produces similar works to those that are available under the Harun Yahya label, but which do not expose the easily lead to the influence of this new life stage of Adnan Oktar.

I also hope he himself mends his ways and goes back to being the extremely intelligent if somewhat eccentric spiritual Muslim that he was and leaves this worldliness and unsuitable behaviour behind him, but whether he does or not this present image will be remembered (InshaAllah) and that is why Muslims must produce alternative resources to replace his.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR8QK8yMiPo (that is very sad )

[ConoMadura]

Harun Yahya communicates Islam to those whom we can't! he goes where we cannot reach. he can teach Islam to those who go to discos,bars, clubs, ... There are many models who embraced Islam and started practicing Islam after they were thought Islam. so we cannot just reject his method.

[67Irralphaisa]

Harun Yahya communicates Islam to those whom we can't! he goes where we cannot reach. he can teach Islam to those who go to discos,bars, clubs, ... There are many models who embraced Islam and started practicing Islam after they were thought Islam. so we cannot just reject his method.

the ends do not justify the means....is it even remotely reasonable that one calls to Allah (dawa) using forbidden methods( i.e. dancing, filling his eyes with non-mahrams)?

we can and will reject his means. one cannot use methods that are forbidden for the service of the deen. if someone wants to give donations to a masjid or sadaqah, can he go and steal that money and then donate it? of course not, so you see the methods we adopt must be shariah compliant. merely having a good goal in mind is not enough. we must embrace islam fully including all the shari' injunctions.

[ConoMadura]

Our Prophet (saas) also communicated Islam to those who were not dressed Islamically. Speaking to non-mahram in an open place, it is not haram. It is not halwat.
If we leave models, young men and women who live un-Islamic life, how can we save them from kuffar?

so several examples that you set, such as stealing and giving sadaqah,.. these examples are not proportional to this case
inshaAllah u Teala

[Olphander]

Deceptive.

[Olphander]

Perhaps the example of an alcoholic father educating his son about the evils of alcohol and demanding he stop - while he himself continues to drink - would be a more fitting example for you?

[CIAFreeAgent]

I like to hear from Adnan Okart himself on this thread . Many fans of his are on this forum. Could anyone of you please arrange that ?

[67Irralphaisa]

Our Prophet (saas) also communicated Islam to those who were not dressed Islamically. Speaking to non-mahram in an open place, it is not haram. It is not halwat.
If we leave models, young men and women who live un-Islamic life, how can we save them from kuffar?

so several examples that you set, such as stealing and giving sadaqah,.. these examples are not proportional to this case
inshaAllah u Teala

the examples you're giving of rasulullah (peace be upon him) are not "proportional" to what harun yahya is doing.

no one is saying advising, or talking to non-mahrams is impermissible, but there are bounds and limits to it. furthermore, many muslims, who consider themselves practicing (myself included) fail in really respecting thes elimits having said that, our mashaikh must be held to higher standards. you wouldn't trust a doctor who wasn't reliable, why would you trust a doctor of the heart if he wasn't reliable (i.e. walking the talk).

you'll also notice islam dawa that i specifically said in my post that the ends don't justify the means when the means/methods are not shariah compliant. our beloved rasulullah (saws) never compromised the shriah injunctions when doing dawa and asking people questions.

if harun yahya wants to do dawa to models allahuakbar. i would go one step fyrther and say as muslims we shud do dawa to everyone (prostitutes included), however that doesn't mean that we shud go to a brothel "rent" a prostitute for an hour, take her to a secluded room, and then proceed to tell her about the greatness of Allah....I hope you can appreciate here that just because one wants to do dawa to a particular segment of society does not mean that the individual can simply waive whatever injunctions of shariah they wish to ignore.

remember succes is from Allah, and guidance is from allah. all dai'es shud be content with remainging inside the realm of shariah. that is the best way to do dawa. by ingoring the shariah and having a TV show where the co-hosts are dressed up in such a fashion...how can one do dawa in such a way and expect the help of allah?

his show is a mockery of dawa. when it comes to dawa, the actual presentation and ettiquete always matters, the ends do not justify the means. otherwise the message you're trying to spread is not islam, rather its a weird call to worship allah, but be disobedient to him (by ignoring modesty/haya etc.).

[Olphander]

By Way of Deception...

Your comments suggest that the show is a ploy to lure people in. How so? With illogical messages (his shows make no sense... I honestly can not fathom how the man on the show could have authored any book and wonder what the true sources are), carefully, meticulously, packaged disguised with painted nails, fake tans and fancy borders (website)? Then what... once they are hooked... then gently wean them from some habits? How so when the 'hoca' himself is the one continuing to publicly display certain actions? An example from his own show: the champagne glasses on the table. Now, someone must've brought it to the company exec's attention because the host of the show made a point to gesture and joke with his 'students' that people are going to start saying they're drinking alcohol now... smiling, joking while holding up the champagne glass. Don't tell me the women are fake too? They're just holograms perhaps (and even then it would not be okay)? There are champagne glasses on a public show but we're to assume the vessels carry something other than what they were intended for... hmmm, deceptive much? There are women on the show with heavy make-up etc. etc. and we're to assume they are not as they appear - that they are somehow concealing their true beauty as they've been commanded and are doing so 'modestly'... hmmm, deceptive much? There is a host on the show who constantly belittles people and makes examples of them in public (on the show) and we're to assume he is a pious, modest man... there is a host on the show who speaks of other nationalities as 'dirty' and we're to assume he represents Islam? We can go on and on... The whole production is nasty and I am absolutely dumb-founded that anyone would even entertain a word from him/them.

Alhamdulillah, it does not represent SUNNI Islam in Turkey.

... or it is calling to something other than Sunni Islam.

[67Irralphaisa]

Alhamdulillah, it does not represent SUNNI Islam in Turkey.

... or it is calling to something other than Sunni Islam.

yes it most definitely does not represent sunni ISLAM.

[Olphander]

Good point... I just wasn't sure if I'd be crossing a line with some by saying it isn't Islam at all.

[DioraMoostebeers]

You are all abusing the appointed Mehdi as said by the great Nazim Haqqani.

[67Irralphaisa]

By Way of Deception...

Your comments suggest that the show is a ploy to lure people in. How so? With illogical messages (his shows make no sense... I honestly can not fathom how the man on the show could have authored any book and wonder what the true sources are), carefully, meticulously, packaged disguised with painted nails, fake tans and fancy borders (website)? Then what... once they are hooked... then gently wean them from some habits? How so when the 'hoca' himself is the one continuing to publicly display certain actions?

definately the most damning point for harun yahya and his fan boys. this is why the mashaikh have to be held to high standards. and i'm not actually saying that harun yahya can be coutned as one...but his followers think of him as such.

[Olphander]

I like to hear from Adnan Okart himself on this thread . Many fans of his are on this forum. Could anyone of you please arrange that ?

I personally wouldn't trust that it would be 'Adnan Oktar' commenting on anything at all (at the very least, he'd need a translator) but feel free to drop them a line... maybe they'll make an example of us - in Turkish - on their show.

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(this bit is not related to your question brother, just a general comment)

I can't stop shaking my head at this issue... really? We've come to such a state that we can't recognize blatant good from bad... really?

[67Irralphaisa]

You are all abusing the appointed Mehdi as said by the great Nazim Haqqani.

nope he said mehdi will be hasan askari...and harun yahya's real name is adnan okhtar not muhammad (sigh)...he probably also can't speak arabic which sadly puts him on the same level as this false claimant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swevac0Qink

[Olphander]

You are all abusing the appointed Mehdi as said by the great Nazim Haqqani.

I'm sorry, is there some sort of consensus on this issue?

I am seriously shocked and can't believe this is happening... wow! This is totally scary... May Allah (SWT) save us!