[HonjUopu]

But I am illiterate in northern Urdu, let alone Dakhni!

youd pick it up in no time

whats your main language then, if you dont mind me asking, is it Gujrati ?

[HunterM]

As I have already admitted earlier bias against Dakhni is symptomatic of ignorance of some of us in the north. The educated people are all aware of the literary development of Urdu and the reality is that it took place in south.

I have related an incident earlier at SF and I'll say it again. A Tamil friend of mine from Hyderabad, he is not a Muslim, once asked me, "Have you heard Tamilnadu Urdu?" "It is crazy", he averred.

Now some people feel the same about Hyderabad Urdu. What to do of that? They just do not understand that it is a different dialect. In fact similar biases are there regarding the variations of Hindi. A person from western UP will not be able understand the Hindi spoken by the common folk of eastern UP - and just forget about a Rajasthani in Chhota Nagpur (Jharkhand). I am from that belt that is officially recognized as the standard Hindi. Once I crossed into Haryana with a friend of mine. The whole excursion was an entertainment because of the Haryanvi accent of Hindi. We had heard it from sundry people because Haryana is just next door but we were hearing it en masse for the first time.

And I shall recount my earlier encounter about Dakhni here at SF itself. I some how got a strong urge to hear Dakhni and therefore I requested people to post links about Hyderabadi poetry. Friends took it as a sort of offense. Why? Allah (SWT) knows better. Dakhni is a legitimate language and that is it. Use it, propagate it and cultivate it. Nothing funny or peculiar about that. You cherish you own language, by the help of Allah (SWT).

I suppose brothers and sisters from south can use this thread to practice and indulge in Dakhini, including Urdu from Tamilnadu. Honestly speaking I do not know the accent and the idiom used in Vaniyambadi, Coimbatore, Pernambutt, Vellore or Wallajah Street, Chennai. So who will tell me about that if not the people from there? We do many times take the things for granted while the reality is that nothing gets done unless someone does it.

So go ahead and amuse us with your language. It is honourable.

hmm what I do not understand is about reviving dakhni urdu when it is already spoken by people here. As far as poetry, i have never urdu poems in local urdu language. Anyways one thing I am happy about is dakhni urdu has deep root. I remember when one of my relatives talks from office, she will speak with a very low voice and when I get irritated and ask about it, she will say some north indians are sitting beside her who sort of make fun of our urdu. huh
Anyway this article is a good one to circulate. Thanks for sharing.

PS: from previous post, I got to know that you are talking about literature side

[HonjUopu]

hey cant you ask Hazrat Shaikh (DB)

about Qasim Nanowtwi and Ashraf Thanvis lineage, im sure he will know...I mean from them to present day, not from them to before, as that is in their biographies...

Ask him about the house of their family in Sarahanpur..and if he knows it, please, when and if you have time - if his time is not too precious ?

Obviously if hes busy dont bother him with this

[Innockcroff]

youd pick it up in no time

whats your main language then, if you dont mind me asking, is it Gujrati ?

It is Urdu only but in UP teaching of Urdu has been stumped after 1947.
So I never studies Urdu in any class at all.

hmm what I do not understand is about reviving dakhni urdu when it is already spoken by people here. As far as poetry, i have never urdu poems in local urdu language. Anyways one thing I am happy about is dakhni urdu has deep root. I remember when one of my relatives talks from office, she will speak with a very low voice and when I get irritated and ask about it, she will say some north indians are sitting beside her who sort of make fun of our urdu. huh
Anyway this article is a good one to circulate. Thanks for sharing.

You see there is a need to assert yourself!

hey cant you ask Hazrat Shaikh (DB)

about Qasim Nanowtwi and Ashraf Thanvis lineage, im sure he will know...I mean from them to present day, not from them to before, as that is in their biographies...

Ask him about the house of their family in Sarahanpur..and if he knows it, please, when and if you have time - if his time is not too precious ?

Obviously if hes busy dont bother him with this

Let us begin with a specific question - I can not ask for general genealogy.
Tell some specific info about yourself and I can ask knowledgeable people from there on words.
We usually do not bother Masha-ikh about such things.

[HonjUopu]

It is Urdu only but in UP teaching of Urdu has been stumped after 1947.
So I never studies Urdu in any class at all.

You see there is a need to assert yourself!

Let us begin with a specific question - I can not ask for general genealogy.
Tell some specific info about yourself and I can ask knowledgeable people from there on words.
We usually do not bother Masha-ikh about such things.

ASk about Abdul Jabbar (Qureshi - surname or tribe?) who was "allegedly" not very religious but his wife was, from Saranpur, who would have passed away around partition.

Thats all i have at the moment - what other things can i provide ??

[Innockcroff]

ASk about Abdul Jabbar (Qureshi - surname or tribe?) who was "allegedly" not very religious but his wife was, from Saranpur, who would have passed away around partition.

Thats all i have at the moment - what other things can i provide ??

And Abdul Jabbar Sahab was from which town? Nanota, Thana Bhawan or Saharanpur?

[HonjUopu]

And Abdul Jabbar Sahab was from which town? Nanota, Thana Bhawan or Saharanpur?

All three sound very familiar ? i think saranpur is the main location but the other two keep popping up in my memory

Should i write to you via your blog?

[freeringsf]

Here is a related lecture, not on exactly same topic, by Tariq Rahman.

Blah, blah, blah.
Yoda, yoda, yoda,
Toda, toda, toda.

Translation : I am envious of his linguistic versatility.
And I do not agree with his thesis completely.

It sounded like that so I gave up watching the full video.

[HonjUopu]

It is Urdu only but in UP teaching of Urdu has been stumped after 1947.
So I never studies Urdu in any class at all.

Areh bhai, ye kitne burry behavakoofi he..

sab bhol rehe ek zabaan leken ye zabaan koi par nehe saktehe ?

[freeringsf]

good good Alhamdulillah what we south indians speak has a strong recognition. This should be sent to all those who make fun of our language. huh

Yes, though I'm not much into fine arts, But I have seen Dakhani as having a pivotal place in the works of earlier literalism of India.Not by going through old racks but observing the keen interest of the present era literati(s).Read the ToI article which I posted, has the concerns of the present day literary scholars over the nonchalant attitude towards the language.

And the fun is the result of our own disinterest towards the preservation of our cultural heritage which includes 'Dakhni' in it.

[freeringsf]

Areh bhai, ye kitne burry behavakoofi he..

sab bhol rehe ek zabaan leken ye zabaan koi par nehe saktehe ?

Oh brother,how stupid is it!!!
Everyone's speaking the language but not allowed to learn it?

woich to pareshaani hai[That's the problem]........now thats close to Dakhni....

[freeringsf]

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

A far sight approach towards bringing the actual essence of the existence of the language again.

Its all in the Shayari

[HonjUopu]

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

A far sight approach towards bringing the actual essence of the existence of the language again.

Its all in the Shayari

yes and dont be provincial on the issue too, encourage all dialects to be learnt, treat them all with equal respect

why cant these initiatives spread through all training centres and schools ?

[avaiftBoara]

History Of Urdu Literature

AND

Dakhni



Urdu has it roots in Deccan.

I though they speak Furdu in Hyderabad Daccan . I enjoy talking to my Hyderabadi friends in Urdu, its priceless.

[Innockcroff]

All three sound very familiar ? i think saranpur is the main location but the other two keep popping up in my memory

Should i write to you via your blog?

I have passed the word and I shall wait for the wheels of the machinery to churn. I'll get back to you when I hear from my sources.

I though they speak Furdu in Hyderabad Daccan . I enjoy talking to my Hyderabadi friends in Urdu, its priceless.

I think we should start a separate thread for practicing Dakhni. I hope we can send a message that it is absolutely honourable to speak Dakhni. Bengalis are not ashamed to speak Bengali, Kannadigans are not ashamed of talking in Kannada, Brits are not ashamed of using English then why should anybody feel awkward while conversing in Dakhni?

[avaiftBoara]

I think we should start a separate thread for practicing Dakhni. I hope we can send a message that it is absolutely honourable to speak Dakhni. Bengalis are not ashamed to speak Bengali, Kannadigans are not ashamed of talking in Kannada, Brits are not ashamed of using English then why should anybody feel awkward while conversing in Dakhni?

I have many Hyderabadi friends (it seems 90% of Indian Muslims in US are from there), and I have yet to meet one who feels awkward while speaking in Urdu. I am from UP and we (incl others who are from North) have quite a fun time with our Hyderabadi brothers. There is no malice, albeit we do have a huge laugh at how they say Qaf and Kaf etc.

[Innockcroff]

I have many Hyderabadi friends (it seems 90% of Indian Muslims in US are from there), and I have yet to meet one who feels awkward while speaking in Urdu. I am from UP and we (incl others who are from North) have quite a fun time with our Hyderabadi brothers. There is no malice, albeit we do have a huge laugh at how they say Qaf and Kaf etc.

Q becoming Kh is a different thing. Speaking proper Hyderabadi is the other matter. And more serious is the literary scene of Dakhni Urdu. There are only three or four Hyderabadi poems on the net. Once I saw a young man talking about dowry. Begins in Urdu and then he says that since the point is to be communicated to local people I'll switch to Hyderabadi. And he does that. It was endearing.

[HonjUopu]

I have passed the word and I shall wait for the wheels of the machinery to churn. I'll get back to you when I hear from my sources.

Thanks bro

[freeringsf]

I have passed the word and I shall wait for the wheels of the machinery to churn. I'll get back to you when I hear from my sources.


I think we should start a separate thread for practicing Dakhni. I hope we can send a message that it is absolutely honourable to speak Dakhni. Bengalis are not ashamed to speak Bengali, Kannadigans are not ashamed of talking in Kannada, Brits are not ashamed of using English then why should anybody feel awkward while conversing in Dakhni?

A thread for promoting and practicing Dakhni is a great idea but it should be with help of people who have some background knowledge on it.

Yea...we are not ashamed sir....

[freeringsf]

Q becoming Kh is a different thing. Speaking proper Hyderabadi is the other matter. And more serious is the literary scene of Dakhni Urdu. There are only three or four Hyderabadi poems on the net. Once I saw a young man talking about dowry. Begins in Urdu and then he says that since the point is to be communicated to local people I'll switch to Hyderabadi. And he does that. It was endearing.

There are bit more than that figure on the net.

Like this from the Alig-arian website.The poet is Dr.Muhammed Ali Asar.I had been reading his works for a while now.An example of such poetry, I also shared it before in SF, I do it again.

The sound of inevitability

Maut shehron mein phir rahi hai 'Asar,
Khairiyath pooch kar gayi hai abhi.
-Dr Ali Asar

It's about the apprehension of the inevitable-the death.