[tactWeiccaf]

Question, self-explantory.

Forgive me in advance for any mistakes i will inevitably make in this thread, please.

[ClaudeMarkus]

Question, self-explantory.

Forgive me in advance for any mistakes i will inevitably make in this thread, please.

The question is actually awkwardly worded, and might be difficult to understand if someone didn't read your other thread as well. From my understanding, to clarify, you are asking: Is there any man made evil that is good?

[ClaudeMarkus]

Everything God does is good.

The evil that man does is never good.

God can take the evil caused by man and turn it around, making it into good.

[tactWeiccaf]

The question is actually awkwardly worded, and might be difficult to understand if someone didn't read your other thread as well. From my understanding, to clarify, you are asking: Is there any man made evil that is good?

No im saying all evil is absence of good

greed is absence of gratitude
avarice is absence of generosity
Envy is absence of compassion and empathy

MY QUESTION IS

Name ME one Evil that MAN Kind does Which is NOT the absence of Good.

If you cant, then ALL evil man does is due to witholding Good...

So Lets not blame Allah for the evils of mankind..

[ClaudeMarkus]

No im saying all evil is absence of good

I know that is what you are saying. I never implied differently.

MY QUESTION IS

Name ME one Evil that MAN Kind does Which is NOT the absence of Good.

If you cant, then ALL evil man does is due to witholding Good...

Yes, that is what I said: The evil that man does is never good.

(My rewording of your question does not contradict your question.)

So Lets not blame Allah for the evils of mankind..

Agreed.

[tactWeiccaf]

I know that is what you are saying. I never implied differently.



Yes, that is what I said: The evil that man does is never good.

(My rewording of your question does not contradict your question.)

This (in bold) implies that evil that man does is always evil. This is too obvious to imply. And so i would say you implied differently. And while not contradicting, its not what im saying.

Also

Is there any man made evil that is good? This is also not implied through causal inference, as man made evil doesnt exist in determining good, its the man made witholding of goodness which is causing the "evil" to exist.

Im saying ALL EVIL is absence of Good, so the existential element is "absence of good", and evil itself is NOT a "natural Creation".

There is no evil you can tell me, that is not from mankind or jins own doing, and further its JUST FROM WITHOLDING GOOD, that this evil arises.

Its not an existence in itself, like "part of the universe" " oh stuff just happens" or "the evil that man does is never good" as HE IS NOT DOING EVIL

He is just NOT DOING GOOD. Even the ORIGINAL intention behind the "evil" is to attain some benefit or "good" for himself, and this is why a SIN is someone who misses the mark (an archery term in English and Arabic) as he is trying to hit the bullseye, but keeps missing the mark.

So i would say the "evil man does is only through witholding good"

So when the common theological questions arise about the "problem of evil"

Q. Why is there so much evil in the world.?
A. There is NO evil in the world. There is just a lot of witholding of Goodness from Mankind and Jinn.

Though good on you for perservering while i figure out a deeper understanding of the nature of things, and apologies if i sound curt or cutting, its not my intention to be that way whatsover, it me grappling with the issue.

And i appreciate your input for it helps me with the above so thankyou

I also appreciate the fact you stayed on topic, addressed the exact question, didnt divert into sectarian issues nor just try and pooh pooh anything that doesnt seem to fit into ones own perspective

[ClaudeMarkus]

Thank you for your reply. I understand better what you are saying.

This is also not implied through causal inference, as man made evil doesnt exist in determining good, its the man made witholding of goodness which is causing the "evil" to exist.

Im saying ALL EVIL is absence of Good, so the existential element is "absence of good", and evil itself is NOT a "natural Creation".

There is no evil you can tell me, that is not from mankind or jins own doing, and further its JUST FROM WITHOLDING GOOD, that this evil arises.

To me, there is a difference in an "absence" of good and in a "withholding" of good. I don't believe all evil results from a withholding of good. A withholding of good indicates that the good exists, but is held back, or suppressed, and this in turn creates evil. Evil can be caused by a withholding of good, but the withholding of good is not a necessary condition.

He is just NOT DOING GOOD. Even the ORIGINAL intention behind the "evil" is to attain some benefit or "good" for himself, and this is why a SIN is someone who misses the mark (an archery term in English and Arabic) as he is trying to hit the bullseye, but keeps missing the mark.

I disagree that the original intention is always for the benefit of oneself. I think that can be an explanation, but it is not always the case. You could argue that I am wrong, because of the endorphins released when one does evil, thus providing an unconscious, biological reinforcement and motivation.

I will have to come back to this later. I have to be at work soon!!!

[tactWeiccaf]

Thank you for your reply. I understand better what you are saying.



To me, there is a difference in an "absence" of good and in a "withholding" of good. I don't believe all evil results from a withholding of good. A withholding of good indicates that the good exists, but is held back, or suppressed, and this in turn creates evil. Evil can be caused by a withholding of good, but the withholding of good is not a necessary condition.




I disagree that the original intention is always for the benefit of oneself. I think that can be an explanation, but it is not always the case. You could argue that I am wrong, because of the endorphins released when one does evil, thus providing an unconscious, biological reinforcement and motivation.

I will have to come back to this later. I have to be at work soon!!!

Ok we have established principles now. Lets talk about examples. back to my original question

"Is there a man made evil that is not the absence of goodness"

Give me examples where it not a necessary condition, and where its not always the cause.

Thankyou