[actrisski]

anthropomorphism? You're a liar for sure.

What i meant was that imam ahmad was Not an anthropomorphist.

[Wezfyowk]

Salaam

I think its pretty obivious by now that the Dajaal is coming very very soon... We have to protect ourselves by strengthening our deen as much as we can inshallah. Not only by doing the farz but as much of the sunnah and optional practices as we can. May Allah keep us firm on our deen and protect us from Dajaals fitna. Ameen

[Efksqhyu]

I think Atheism has nothing to do with the Dajjal --- idol worship and shurk are (MUCH) bigger sins than Atheism or being Agnostic, which can be remedied differently and properly with each individual and his/her reasons behind doubting the existence of a creator.

The Dajjal would be having people that believe without thinking (unthinking sheep followers) and therefore are easily led astray to the false belief that worshiping him is what God wants them to do.

Atheism is a type of false belief that is usually dominated by what is clearly a form of self-worship. The Atheist's idols are himself and his ideals (humanism, liberalism, feminism, gay liberation, democracy etc).

[actrisski]

Atheism is a type of false belief that is usually dominated by what is clearly a form of self-worship. The Atheist's idols are himself and his ideals (humanism, liberalism, feminism, gay liberation, democracy etc).

100% right. watch the last link i posted on this thread to see how these things come into place; I think it will interest you brother

[RorieSorNearop]

Most atheist are arrogant people, they don't wanna worship a God they don't see, in short they think they themselves are their real sustainer but once they lose everything and an impostor (=dajjal) comes with visible miracles, they will for sure follow him.

May Allah keep us firm on His Pure Belief.

[MAKEMONEY]

Atheists are nature/material worshipping mushriks. This fact is being eclipsed because of pseudo definitions of tawhid, shirk and worship propogated by wahhabism.

[masteryxisman]

Atheism is a type of false belief that is usually dominated by what is clearly a form of self-worship. The Atheist's idols are himself and his ideals (humanism, liberalism, feminism, gay liberation, democracy etc).

I think you are incorrect in your generalization and assumption --

[Efksqhyu]

I think you are incorrect in your generalization and assumption --

I haven't innovated the idea.

Many scholars are aware that Atheists are mushriks as well as deniers of Allah http://www.jaafaridris.com/English/A...s/atheists.htm

[masteryxisman]

I haven't innovated the idea.

Many scholars are aware that Atheists are mushriks as well as deniers of Allah http://www.jaafaridris.com/English/A...s/atheists.htm

(ppssstt) -- Next time try to find an unbiased site to show your point. It is normal for "scholars" to demonize that with which they do not agree with. And I read the article you posted hoping to find some truth -- but the logic to go from "Atheist" to "Polytheist" just ignores the truth about what Atheism is.

As one person said -- "Hate them, but hate them honestly." No need to lie just because you disagree.

[Efksqhyu]

(ppssstt) -- Next time try to find an unbiased site to show your point. It is normal for "scholars" to demonize that with which they do not agree with. And I read the article you posted hoping to find some truth -- but the logic to go from "Atheist" to "Polytheist" just ignores the truth about what Atheism is.

As one person said -- "Hate them, but hate them honestly." No need to lie just because you disagree.

there is no power or might other than Allah,

who is lying?

are you accusing your Muslim brothers of lying?

That Sheikh may be a Salafi but I love him.

If you want a traditionalist exposition that explains how false intellectual idols like Atheism are linked to the Dajjal then read Dajjal system by Ahmad Thomson published by Ta Ha publishers.

also when you say scholars demonize that with which they do not agree you are showing your ignorance of real scholars.

[!!!maryann!!!]

there is no power or might other than Allah,

who is lying?

are you accusing your Muslim brothers of lying?

That Sheikh may be a Salafi but I love him.

If you want a traditionalist exposition that explains how false intellectual idols like Atheism are linked to the Dajjal then read Dajjal system by Ahmad Thomson published by Ta Ha publishers.

also when you say scholars demonize that with which they do not agree you are showing your ignorance of real scholars.

An atheist is some one who denies the existence of gods.
A polytheist is some one who believes in a multiplicity of gods.

Based on these definitions it is impossible to be both at the same time: you cannot believe there are no gods and many gods at once.

Hence you are wrong.

[gennnniiikk]

An atheist is some one who denies the existence of gods.
A polytheist is some one who believes in a multiplicity of gods.

Based on these definitions it is impossible to be both at the same time: you cannot believe there are no gods and many gods at once.

Hence you are wrong.

ever heard of figurative speech?

[Efksqhyu]

An atheist is some one who denies the existence of gods.
A polytheist is some one who believes in a multiplicity of gods.

Based on these definitions it is impossible to be both at the same time: you cannot believe there are no gods and many gods at once.

Hence you are wrong.

Allah does not judge by the Oxford English Dictionary

we are not talking about English semantics

we are talking about how we expect Allah to view them

based upon the teachings of scholars


I think what has confused you is that Shirk/Mushrik/Mushrikeen

(which are what we are really mean when we say Polytheism/Polytheist/Polytheists)

do not have exactly the same meaning in Arabic as Polytheism/Polytheist/Polytheists are in English,


the Arabic words Shirk/Mushrik/Mushrikeen have much broader meanings.


Allah's opinion of what is idolatry/polytheism is what matters, those best to know what it is are the Ulema.

[Smittoh]

As far my knowledge is concerned to know the whole truth about u must read harun yahya's books related to end times and arrivals of imam mahdi,isha a.s. And dajjal or u may watch the arrival series from youtube or wakeupproject.com which will the best 4 knowing u need to know but 4 direct proof and deep understanding u sholud visit www.harunyahya.com

[!!!maryann!!!]

Allah does not judge by the Oxford English Dictionary
we are not talking about English semantics
we are talking about how we expect Allah to view them
based upon the teachings of scholars
I think what has confused you is that Shirk/Mushrik/Mushrikeen
(which are what we are really mean when we say Polytheism/Polytheist/Polytheists)
do not have exactly the same meaning in Arabic as Polytheism/Polytheist/Polytheists are in English,
the Arabic words Shirk/Mushrik/Mushrikeen have much broader meanings.
Allah's opinion of what is idolatry/polytheism is what matters, those best to know what it is are the Ulema.

A mushrik (مشرك) is some one who associates a partner (شريك) or partners with allah.
An atheist is some one who denies allah's existence.

You can't associate partners with some thing you don't believe exists.

The reasoning still stands.

[masteryxisman]

A mushrik (مشرك) is some one who associates a partner (شريك) or partners with allah.
An atheist is some one who denies allah's existence.

You can't associate partners with some thing you don't believe exists.

The reasoning still stands.

Thank you!
Reasoning is lost too often and way too easily for my comfort.

[masteryxisman]

there is no power or might other than Allah,

who is lying?
are you accusing your Muslim brothers of lying?

Yes.

[Efksqhyu]

A mushrik (مشرك) is some one who associates a partner (شريك) or partners with allah.
An atheist is some one who denies allah's existence.

You can't associate partners with some thing you don't believe exists.

The reasoning still stands.

no it doesn't there are various types of shirk

- the atheist is a mushrik due to the fact that they practice shirk in Ruboobeeyah/Lordship

by his denying that there is a Rabb/Lord over the creation.

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Dawaheed those you have called liars will settle with you over it on Yaum al Qiyamah unless they forgive you.

[Olphander]

bro stop posting in pointless threads like these. please.

[!!!maryann!!!]

no it doesn't there are various types of shirk

- the atheist is a mushrik due to the fact that they practice shirk in Ruboobeeyah/Lordship

by his denying that there is a Rabb/Lord over the creation.

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Dawaheed those you have called liars will settle with you over it on Yaum al Qiyamah unless they forgive you.

Nope. You fail at logic.

The atheist isn't a mushrik since he doesn't believe there is a Rabb in the first place to associate partners with.