[Bugamerka]

Source: http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs..../1135/general1

The prophet said:

The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, "Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula [Sahih Bukhari 4:52:288] I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
Sahih Muslim 19:4366 Its our fault for letting this happen:

If anyone introduces an innovation, he will be responsible for it. If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in religion), he is cursed by Allah, by His angels, and by all the people.

Abu Dawud 39:4515 non muslims can live in any muslim country except arabian peninsula, this is agreed upon by the scholars of hadith

Why we muslims are a disgrace: http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/S...Option=FatwaId

[Bletlemof]

Source: http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs..../1135/general1

The prophet said:





Its our fault for letting this happen:



non muslims can live in any muslim country except arabian peninsula, this is agreed upon by the scholars of hadith

Why we muslims are a disgrace: http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/S...Option=FatwaId

Around 2004 the Non-Muslim employees of our company used to go to Madina and stay in a Holiday-Inn right at the outskirts. Its a bit far so Muslims usually don't stay in this Hotel.

So its old news and the Saudees are now coming out of this.

[Bromikka]

salaam

where are the salafi scholars to condemn this i bet they justify it one way or another

on a side issue can skilled kuffar live in makkah and medinah for a short period of time for the muslims to benefit from?

[meridiasas]

salaam

where are the salafi scholars to condemn this i bet they justify it one way or another

on a side issue can skilled kuffar live in makkah and medinah for a short period of time for the muslims to benefit from?

No.

The Saudis should know better. There was that whole drama during the '79 Hajj attack and seizure of the Masjid al-Haram. They had Pakistanis and French come in to help wrest back control. The handful of French soldiers had to convert to Islam and take the shahadah in a ceremony before they were allowed in to Makkah.

[meridiasas]

Then again, they already let Shi'a into both Makkah and Madinah.

[popsicesHoupe]

No.

The Saudis should know better. There was that whole drama during the '79 Hajj attack and seizure of the Masjid al-Haram. They had Pakistanis and French come in to help wrest back control. The handful of French soldiers had to convert to Islam and take the shahadah in a ceremony before they were allowed in to Makkah.

you know this article has got me thinking. The ahadeeth on Dajjal say the Dajjal will stand outside Medina, and thump the ground causing an earthquake and all the Munafiqs will run out of Medina.

Now, if you have these non muslims who supposedly "convert" to stay in Medinah, then this scenario makes sense.....

[bWn4h8QD]

One shouldn´t forget that there are already hundreds of Ulama on the Arabian Peninsula, who are in prison, because they spoke Haqq (I really don´t understand why some people call the blessed earth of Sayyidina Muhammad "Saudi" Arabia!).... so acting as if all Ulama on the Arabian Peninsula are supporting the crimes of Ale Saud is really not fair!

[Byxtysaaqwuz]

The sad reality is there are many non-muslims who currently live in Madinah. It’s not uncommon to find them working at places outside of the haram boundary (Madinah Airport, Saudi German Hospital, Taibah University, etc.). They are officially not allowed to live within the haram boundary, BUT they do work and travel within the boundary.

Unfortunately the governor of Madinah has even granted official special permission for some non-Muslims to wander very close to Masjid an Nabwi. E.g. Luke Robinson (is it me or does he look like a secret agent?!) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mortalc...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mortalc...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mortalc...n/photostream/

The KEC in Madinah http://www.madinahkec.com/ is a humungous project and they’ve being talking about it for years. Here, the non-Muslims will be allowed to live in Madinah but outside the boundary of the haram.

There is a very large shia population currently residing in Madinah, the babul awaali area is said to be 70% shia - they have 3 Imam Baras in babul awaali. There was a youtube video March 2009, showing the shias jumping on and disrespecting the blessed graves within Jannatul Baqi.

[CindyLavender]

Once again we see the dangers of laymen extrapolating directly from Quran and Hadith...

The Entry Of Non-Muslims In Makkah And Madinah
By Justice Maulana Muhammad Taqi Usmani

There are three different injunctions in relation to the entry of non-Muslims into Arabia which should be understood separately, and should not be confused with each other :

The first injunction is found in the well-known Hadith:

Expel the mushriks from the Arabian peninsula (Bukhari)

All the Muslim jurists are unanimous on the point that this Hadith has banned the permanent citizenship of the Arabian pe- ninsula for the mushriks but has not prohibited their entry on their temporary visit to the peninsula. They may enter the pe- ninsula and stay there for some time but they cannot live there as its permanent citizens*. In other words, the Arabian peninsula has been declared as a homeland for Muslims exclusively. So, if the foreign visitors or envoys or delegations have been allowed to enter the peninsula, it was, by no means, a contravention of the instruction of the Hadith quoted above.

The second injunction relates to the entry of the non-Muslims into the precincts of the Haram of Makkah. This injunction is based on Quranic verse contained in the Surah al-Bara'ah :

The Associators are impure. So they must not come near "Almasjid al-Haram" the Holy Mosque of Makkah.

But the Muslim jurists are not unanimous in the interpretation of this verse. Their different views are as follows :

1. According to the view of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal and Imam Shafi'i this verse has banned the entry of the non- Muslims not only to the Holy Mosque, but also to the whole precincts of Haram including the city of Makkah.

2. Imam Malik extends this prohibition to all the masjids of the world. He says that the prohibition is based on the impu- rity of the non-Muslims and every masjid in every part of the world deserves to be immune from such impurity.

3. Imam Abu Hanifah interprets the verse in a quite different way. He says that it is not the non-Muslims that has been banned by this verse, but the context of the verse suggests that the non-Muslims have been forbidden from performing Hajj and Umrah. Before the revelation of this verse, the pagans of Arabia used to perform Hajj and Umrah. Even in the 9th year after Hijrah, when Abu Bakr (R.A) was made the leader of the Hajj a large number of the pagans of Arabia perf- ormed Hajj with him.

On this occasion the Surah of Bara'ah was revealed and their Hajj and Umrah was totally banned with effect from the next year. The Holy Prophet ( Sallaho Alaihai Wasallam ) sent Sayyidna 'Ali (R.A) to announce his prohibition in the plain of 'Arafat where he conveyed the injunctions of the Surah al-Bara'ah to all present in that Hajj. On that occasion he did not announce that the non-Muslims cannot enter the Holy Mosque after his year. Instead, he announced :

"No Associator shall perform Hajj after this year." Keeping in view the context of the verse of Surah al-Bara'ah and this historical background, Imam Abu Hanifah has not taken the verse as a prohibition against the entry of non-Muslims into the limits of Haram or into the Holy Mosque, but has confined the prohibition to the performance of Hajj or Umrah only. It means that the non-Muslims cannot (perform Hajj or Umrah).

Source: Contemporary Fatawaa by Mufti Taqi Usmani, p265-268

* The Saudi salafi regime is such that they seldom ever offer permanent citizenship to even non-Saudi Muslims let alone non-Muslims (my comment, not part of Taqi Usmani's fatwa).

[meridiasas]

Did the Ottomans allow kuffar into Makkah and Madinah?

[Bugamerka]

One shouldn´t forget that there are already hundreds of Ulama on the Arabian Peninsula, who are in prison, because they spoke Haqq (I really don´t understand why some people call the blessed earth of Sayyidina Muhammad "Saudi" Arabia!).... so acting as if all Ulama on the Arabian Peninsula are supporting the crimes of Ale Saud is really not fair!

i dont think salafi schoalrs support this.

but is their any evidence of them speaking out

[Bletlemof]

i dont think salafi schoalrs support this.

but is their any evidence of them speaking out

No brother they are busying speaking out against 20 Rakaat of Tarawweeh as Madkhalees (laymen and Scholars alike) believe that its more important for them to address that issue.

They also believe that they must take a stand against the "Prophet's Green Dome"!

Where the Qur'aan & Sunnah is dead clear but it goes against their puppet rulers, they don't say a word!

Not a peep!

[bWn4h8QD]

No brother they are busying speaking out against 20 Rakaat of Tarawweeh as Madkhalees (laymen and Scholars alike) believe that its more important for them to address that issue.

They also believe that they must take a stand against the "Prophet's Green Dome"!

Where the Qur'aan & Sunnah is dead clear but it goes against their puppet rulers, they don't say a word!

Not a peep!

Akhi, you should be fair.... not all Ulama there are like Madkhalees!!
If they would be all like that, then why are their prisons filled with Ulama??
Ohh and we all forget one thing:
There are American bases on the Arabian Peninsula (and if anyone attacks these bases he is automatically an "Irhabee"!) and this is a much bigger problem than some Kuffar living near the Haram (even if this is also not good!)!

[Precturge]

Just some months ago we had the news of some thousands of Chinese non-Muslim workers being in the arounds of Madina Munawwarah.

Anyway, let's don't forget that the "Arabian Peninsula" isn't just "Saudi" Arabia: it's the whole Jazirah (don't know its limits, though)...

[Bromikka]

salaam


its true 1000s of ulema in saudi and other arab nations are in prision being tortured. they are usually refered to as 'takfiris' and 'terrorist' by the salaifs and scholars for dollars. to this day you will see most of the haqq speaking ulema are from the arab world unfortunatly we in the west only hear of the likes of fawzaan and madkhali. deobandi scholars aint much better which ONE deobandi has come out to call the pakistani armmy kaafirs for their crimes against the mujaahideen NON. how many came out to condemn the attack of the lal masjid NON. how many call for shariah in pakistan NON. in the last 100 years or so who have been the revivers of islaam you will see all of them from arab world with an exception of a few akaabir of deoband. whom today we just seem to live in their legacy.

also its ok for kaafirs to come to the holy lands to carry out a service or teach something for a short amount of time. hazrat umar (ra) allowd the likes of abu lulu in due to the reason he was a master of craft which the muslims could either learn or benefit from til they no longer needed him.

[meridiasas]

how many came out to condemn the attack of the lal masjid NON. how many call for shariah in pakistan NON.

This just isn't true.

[CindyLavender]

Did the Ottomans allow kuffar into Makkah and Madinah?

What the Ottomons did or didn't do is irrelevent to whether it's permissible or not. As Mufti Taqi says Abu Hanifa has permitted non-permanent entry into the two cities.

[TEFSADDERFISA]

No brother they are busying speaking out against 20 Rakaat of Tarawweeh as Madkhalees (laymen and Scholars alike) believe that its more important for them to address that issue.

They also believe that they must take a stand against the "Prophet's Green Dome"!

Where the Qur'aan & Sunnah is dead clear but it goes against their puppet rulers, they don't say a word!

Not a peep!

The Madkhali scum are clearly in the employ of the kuffar. A "counter terrorism" think tank even alluded to that.

Their extreme treachery is evident in the fact that they can leave no Muslim free of criticism.

Even the Taliban were criticized by them, because they "established a state before destroying all the graves!"

[Bromikka]

This just isn't true.

prove me wrong. where was mufti taqi and mufti rafi??? not a peep out of either. what scholar condemn the shaytaan bushaaraf?? how many scholars spoke in favour of the mujaahideen??? how many scholars condmen pakistan given america help???

im not a salafi or pro arab but constantly sayin their the sell outs and aiding the kuffar when non arab and non salafi including DEOBANDIS who doing the same. if anything most of the scholars who have openly spoken the haqq and are in prison for it are ARABS. too many people on this forum have tinted lense and cant see the reality.

here in the uk what scholars spoke haqq? shaikh faisal shaikh abu hamza shaikh abu qatadah. all of them are non deobandis. what you going to say to this? there not scholars? or they they have no hikmah.

[77rexulceme]

prove me wrong. where was mufti taqi and mufti rafi??? not a peep out of either. what scholar condemn the shaytaan bushaaraf?? how many scholars spoke in favour of the mujaahideen??? how many scholars condmen pakistan given america help???

im not a salafi or pro arab but constantly sayin their the sell outs and aiding the kuffar when non arab and non salafi including DEOBANDIS who doing the same. if anything most of the scholars who have openly spoken the haqq and are in prison for it are ARABS. too many people on this forum have tinted lense and cant see the reality.

here in the uk what scholars spoke haqq? shaikh faisal shaikh abu hamza shaikh abu qatadah. all of them are non deobandis. what you going to say to this? there not scholars? or they they have no hikmah.

I agree with you on accusing the arab scholars, however unless you got factual evidence that the scholars are not speaking out I suggest you also do not make speculation.

It is not a case of who can shout the loudest!

So unless you have statistical facts of the ulama in other areas I suggest you do not make accusations without the proof, this will count a slandering and you my friend will be guilty of a major sin. Think before you leap.

My background is in research and I always say to people, 'how many of them have you met?' when people start their conversations with, 'most of them are doing/not doing......'