[Diondra]

What happened in Algeria with the Egyptian is an extremely awful action where Egyptian were waiting their fate of death. they saw death so many times .. subhanallah .. for what?? for a soccer game, for the world cup, they would kill for that?? that is the most worst people in the whole world.. i really need you opinion about what happened there??
salam brother and sister

[KeettyGlots]

Yes the Algerians are Muslims. However, The Dumb Football fans and those who were hired to do this dirty work and the politicians (from both sides) who support them are a different story.

[Rqvtwlfk]

I suggest if you really want to know about Algeria, do a bit research and find some videos by the brothers who go by this group http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZVc7GRS1Oo

WARNING, Ghyr-Mihram in the beginning.

[RorieSorNearop]

The title question should be which country is still muslim? Answer would be very few...
Yes this football incident shows how football can damage your mentality and religion, but what about BIGGER problems like shirk in the indian sub-continent? Is Pakistan still muslim country should I ask for example?

Ok Ok that's not the subject I apologise etc etc...

[Bromikka]

the egyptians where just as responisible as the algerians. as the brother before me mentioned what country is worthy of bein being called MUSLIM COUNTRY. saudi? killing mujaahids. pakistan? doing the same as saudi along with immense bidah and shirk.


may Allah (swt) hasten the return of the islamic emirates of afghanistan

[Ruiceara]

Salam Alaykum,

Interesting article about the Egypt-Algeria footbal tensions:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091122/...lgeria_rivalry

CAIRO – Angry soccer fans rampaged through a posh diplomatic neighborhood in Cairo over the weekend, smashing shop windows and shouting obscenities in a frenzy fed by venomous headlines that portrayed Algerians as barbaric terrorists with a history of violence.

Egyptians were infuriated by media reports alleging their fans were brutalized by their Algerian rivals after Algeria won a playoff match Wednesday in Khartoum, Sudan, to qualify for the 2010 World Cup.

Egypt's government — often bemoaned by its people as repressive and indifferent to their suffering under searing poverty — appears to have seized on the furor to demonstrate some unity with its citizens. Instead of the usual crackdown on demonstrations, authorities allowed crowds to surge into the streets near the Algerian Embassy and vent their anger in riots overnight between Thursday and Friday.

While the two teams play each other periodically, the stakes for this match were much higher, with entrance to the World Cup on the line.

The troubles began when crowds in Cairo hurled stones at the Algerian team's bus before a first match here on Nov. 14, injuring three players. Egypt won 2-0, forcing the playoff. And in the following days, mobs in Algeria ransacked the offices of Egyptian companies.

After the second match in Khartoum, Egyptian newspapers unleashed stirring headlines about Egyptian fans being attacked by machete-wielding crowds — allegations never confirmed. Sudanese police said there were only a handful of light injuries.

"Barbaric attacks on Egyptian fans in Khartoum," read one headline in the Egyptian daily Al-Masry Al-Youm. "Algerians chase Egyptian fans with knives and machetes," said another.

"Algeria: a legacy of blood, hatred and a history of violence" read another headline in an apparent reference to the civil war between Islamic extremists and Algerian government forces that killed up to 200,000 people in the 1990s.

One Egyptian TV program invited viewers to express an opinion about whether Algeria might even be in league with Israel. Some Egyptians even claimed Algerians are not real Arabs or Muslims.

One of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's sons, a businessman who rarely speaks in public, took the unusual step of phoning in to a television talk show and delivering a 40-minute rant. Alaa Mubarak, who attended the match in Khartoum, called on Egypt to respond to the Algerians' "terror, hostility."

"It is impossible that we as Egyptians take this. We have to stand up and say, 'Enough,'" he said. "When you insult my dignity ... I will beat you on the head."

The Egyptian-Algerian soccer rivalry — and the violence that goes with it — dates back decades. And commentators had predicted trouble days before the first of their two matches.

A similar face-off in 1989 ended in rioting in the stadium after Egypt beat Algeria 1-0 to qualify for the World Cup. In the melee, an Algerian player seriously injured an Egyptian team doctor with a broken bottle.

This time around, Egypt's government escalated the dispute to a diplomatic incident. Egypt summoned Algeria's ambassador to protest the attacks on Egyptian businesses in Algeria after the first match and recalled its own ambassador for consultations.

President Hosni Mubarak even entered the fray, declaring in an address to parliament Saturday that Egypt would not tolerate "those who hurt the dignity of its sons."

The outpouring of rage in the streets of Cairo was a rare sight in a country where political demonstrations are few and heavily suppressed by security forces.

"The regime is just allowing people to vent their anger ... and then basically encouraging the media to vent the anger," said Hisham Qassem, a leading human rights activist and newspaper publisher. "It's a very good national distraction."

More than 40 percent of Egypt's nearly 80 million people live on less than $2 per day, according to the United Nations Development Program.

Qassem said the soccer flap was a rare opportunity for Egypt's entrenched one-party leadership, normally accused of ignoring its people's problems, to show solidarity with indignant fans while ensuring things did not spin out of control.

Some analysts speculated the soccer tensions provided an acceptable outlet for frustrations over the repression by both nations' governments and the limited avenues for expressing them.

Media outlets and commentators, like the president's son, talked of the damage Algeria had done to Egypt's "dignity," which seemed to point to a broader preoccupation that Egypt's influence in the Arab world may be diminishing.

[pharmablogger]

What happened in Algeria with the Egyptian is an extremely awful action where Egyptian were waiting their fate of death. they saw death so many times .. subhanallah .. for what?? for a soccer game, for the world cup, they would kill for that?? that is the most worst people in the whole world.. i really need you opinion about what happened there??
salam brother and sister

Salaam alaikum

Brother, my response to you is: from where are you obtaining your news and are you verifying it through objective sources?


I am somewhat close to this story because I have friends in Algeria and I have Egyptian, Sudanes, and Kenyan friends.

The previous article touches on the underlying but underreported role of the respective governments manipulating sentiments and events to foment nationalism and support.

To understand what has happened, one should have a general understanding of Egypt's relations with other African and Arab countries. Sadly, Egypt is dominated by a secular elite that promotes its nationalism above Islam and above even basic professional ethics and sportsmanship. Hence, for years, sports teams travelling to and playing in Egypt have experienced all kinds of bad treatment from Egypt. A trustworthy Kenyan brother who played football/soccer for a Kenyan team travelled to Egypt to play several times. One time their food was poisoned, making the entire team sick. Another time the team was in a hotel which had parties above and below their teams, keeping them up all night. Eventually they and other Kenyan teams just stayed in the Kenyan embassy facilities.

Moving to the current situation.
Algeria and Egypt are in contention for World Cup qualification and only one can proceed. The two teams played in June 2009, in Blida, Algeria. The Egyptian team was given roses and treated respectfully before and after the match. However, Egypt's loss meant that Algeria was ahead of it in qualification. Both teams subsequently played other teams and Algeria had a winning record, thus the June match proved to mean that Egypt had to win by 3 points on their November 14th match if they were to proceed. Thus the lead up to the match meant that Egypt had a high hurdle to leap for it to proceed. It needed every advantage and Egyptian media and sports shows made the Algerian team out to be a serious rival that threatened Egypt's supposed rightful place as the dominant team of Africa.
November 12th the Algerian team arrived in Cairo and took its bus to the hotel, but along the way was attacked by youth throwing stones. Youtube has the videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1koF...eature=related


The bus was attacked several times, during the above footage and before since you can tell the windows are already destroyed and blown out. In the end, they ask: where's security? The bus company official would later claim that the team was not attacked, but instead did the damage themselves. However, a French documentary crew was filming as they accompanied the team and they corroborated what the Algerian team said, as if 12+ adult men's testimonies were not credible and only Europeans could validate that it actually happened.

One could speculate that some Egyptian elites wanted the Algerian team to be shaken up in order to hurt their play which would explain why the security was nonexistent and the bus was allowed to get hit more than once and the bus official would deny it happened.
According to my Egyptian friends, it is within the realm of possibilities for Egyptian elites to do this and to even inform people of the bus route to be taken ( since there are many chartered tourist buses in Egypt).

This is the scene after the attack once the bus arrived at the hotel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ann1DMk9Ik

Egypt won the match November 14, but by only 2 points. So a playoff was made in Sudan. After the November 14 match, Algerian and Arab media reported that of the 2000 visas granted Algerians visiting Cairo for the match 150 Algerians returned injured. There was also an Algerian media claim that one Algerian was killed in Cairo, but the Algerian foreign ministry denied this. But this news spread amongst the Algerian diaspora and many people felt that they would not be slighted by the Egyptians as so many others have been.

These reports and footage was highlighted throughout the Arab speaking media which includes Algeria. Many people in Algeria felt that the Egyptian team was treated well in Algiers and Blida, but the Egyptians abused the Algerians customary to the alleged Egyptian underhanded way that many see in important national dealings such as sports.

The two teams met again just a few days later November 18 in Khartoum wherein Sudanese officials welcomed both teams cordially and had 15,000 police in the city (and Omdursman across the river) to control violence. Algeria won 1-0, enabling them to proceed to the World Cup.
However, Egypt's elite apparently felt slighted. As the article mentioned, Mubarak's son claimed there was 'terror and hostility' from Algerians in Sudan- a claim the Sudanese deny- was a slur intended to associate Algerians with terrorism. It also showed that Mubarak who is close to America and was instrumental in Bush's War on Terror, intended to paint Egypt as a victim of terror and to galvanize nationalist sentiments. It should be noted that these Egyptian elite who run the country also produce porn, secular immoral media TV, music, movies and propagate this around the Arab speaking region via satellite as if they are the leader in the Arab region.
If you doubt that Egypt's ruling elite aren't fomenting and manipulating this for their own good, here's Hosni Mubarak jumping into the mix.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8372202.stm

For the Algerians, they felt vindicated in their victory, and hooligans in Algeria targetted Egyptian cellular company DJezzy, destroying shops there and also boycotting. In fact Algerians had contacted each other to boycott Djezzy before the 11/18 match in response to Egypt's mistreatment of its team and fans.
Perhaps even Algerian elite (tied to the military which runs Algeria) instructed the hooligans to attack the Egyptian company as a savoy to Egypt's elite. But Algeria criticism sees Egypt as untrustworthy and unworthy, letting Palestinians suffer right on their border and not lifting a finger, but they can attack visiting tourists (but not all tourists, they wouldnt dare touch Americans, only Arabs and Africans).


What's important is to know that there are Muslims on both sides and believers should not take nationalist sides in this matter. The solution is for the Egyptian govt to compensate the injured Algerian fans and Algeria to compensate the Djezzy company for their losses. But these rulers and their elites turn Muslims against each other for their own ends rather than reconciling conflicts. This shows that the Muslim Ummah is so weak as nation states and without a khalifah and an Islamic state that even small things like football matches can cause conflicts between people.

And Allah knows best.

[pharmablogger]

Just to further inform on this matter, FIFA is not investigating the attack on the Algerian football team.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...up2010&cc=5901


Beware of media manipulation of this conflict. Most Western media sources, including BBC and AP, failed to mention that the two teams met in Algeria in June 2009 without incident, in fact with proper respect.

As well, Sudan is against Egypt for its media's sensationalizing the aftermath of the Khartoum match 11/18.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8368446.stm

And of course Algerian fans have caused damage in Algiers and France as part of their nationalist fervor.

[pharmablogger]

Just to further inform on this matter, FIFA is not investigating the attack on the Algerian football team.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...up2010&cc=5901


Beware of media manipulation of this conflict. Most Western media sources, including BBC and AP, failed to mention that the two teams met in Algeria in June 2009 without incident, in fact with proper respect.

As well, Sudan is against Egypt for its media's sensationalizing the aftermath of the Khartoum match 11/18.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8368446.stm

And of course Algerian fans have caused damage in Algiers and France as part of their nationalist fervor.

As the Prophet (saaw) said: "lieave it, it is rotten" and "whomever calls for asabiyah is not from amongst us.... whomever fights for asabiyah is not for among us.... and whomever dies for asabiyah is not from among us.."

And Allah knows best.

[Diondra]

I do not believe there is a brother who cares too much to kill his brother for a football match.. I am Egyptian and i know we never let things go like this. They are going to revenge whatever it costs .. and again there will be bloodshed between Muslim brohter.. they are gathered by the Oneness of God.. and now they are seperated by football or soccer or whatever they call.. i hope you begin Muslim to reconsider as you are the people of mind..
thanks for replys.. but still i am so sad..

[Bletlemof]

I do not believe there is a brother who cares too much to kill his brother for a football match.. I am Egyptian and i know we never let things go like this. They are going to revenge whatever it costs .. and again there will be bloodshed between Muslim brohter.. they are gathered by the Oneness of God.. and now they are seperated by football or soccer or whatever they call.. i hope you begin Muslim to reconsider as you are the people of mind..
thanks for replys.. but still i am so sad..

my Brother,

Your stance isn't correct. Because of the behavior of a few hooligans you think that the entire country of Algeria has gone out of Islam?

What in the world are you talking about?

Lets discuss egypt here:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2008/886/li1.htm

1) 11 year girl getting raped
2) 20,000 rapes a year
3) Women stalked, targetted and raped by street mobs during Eid

In Cairo on the street people assaulted and raped Muslim women:

http://covenantzone.blogspot.com/200...r-stories.html

DO YOU THINK EGYPT IS A STILL A MUSLIM COUNTRY?

Where people rape women on Eid day?

P.S: I am neither Egyptian nor Algerian.

[JohnVK]

Actually in the UK the algerian brothers are way more practicing then the egyptians….both parties are guilty….I mean come on 22 people kicking some stupid football….but I’m not saying the Indopak are any better…with their cricket….sports is the opium of the masses….hamza yusuf back in the days has done some good lectures on sports…..

[rJohutozsfds]

just to stoke the fire

Amr Zaki courts controversy over Portsmouth rejection
By Soccernet staff

November 23, 2009

Amr Zaki has astonishingly claimed that he will not consider signing for Portsmouth on the grounds that they employ two Israelis - Tal Ben Haim and Avram Grant - as well as an Algerian in the form of Nadir Belhadj.

Zamalek striker Zaki, who impressed in the first half of the 2008-09 season with Wigan before attracting criticism for a series of disciplinary lapses, has long been a target for Portsmouth shareholder Sulaiman Al-Fahim.

Indeed, Al-Fahim confirmed only last week that he was hoping to convince manager Paul Hart and director of football Grant to sign Zaki, who he claimed "loves" the club and is desperate to move to Fratton Park.

But Zaki has courted controversy by claiming that the presence of Grant and defender Ben Haim means he would not consider joining Portsmouth. After the recent bad blood between Egypt and Algeria in World Cup qualifying, the presence of Belhadj is also an issue.

"I refused their offer before, but now joining Portsmouth is no longer an option for me," Zaki said on his official website.

"After Portsmouth signed an Israeli player and also hired an Israeli football director a possible move was ruled out. On top of that, no way could I play at Portsmouth with an Algerian within in their ranks."

Egypt was the first Arab nation to recognise Israel in 1969 but resentment still exists towards the Jewish state from many in the Muslim community.


now we got a egyptian putting israealies and a algerian in the same camp

its gone way tooooo personal

what's the world coming to

[JohnVK]

lol...what a joker...puting an algerian with an israeli....so the question should now be asked are the egyptians muslims too

[Diondra]

lol...what a joker...puting an algerian with an israeli....so the question should now be asked are the egyptians muslims too

I cant put them in the same place.. Algeria is a Muslim country, i was mistaken about that question .. but i do hate Algerian football fans .. you know they play 135 matches without fans because of what they do with their own blood .. about Egyptian.. you must come to Egypt to see how safe we are, how religious we are. at least the place i live in and others i know by heart.. ah.. putting an Algerian with an Israeli is not fair.. News is exaggeratin I am sure. cus he did not say that.. he just hate to play with them all .. i might hate someone who is Egyptian and by chance there is an Israeli in the same place.. that does not mean i put them together.
About rape in Egypt, lol.. it happens around the world, we do have crimes here in Egypt.. but you do not have crimes in yours??????????? lol lol

[JohnVK]

bro both fans r to blame....the egyptians r no better....the indian fans are no better, the pakistani fans r no better, the algerians r no better....

brother im sure egypt has a lot of good people too like algeria and other countries...

[pharmablogger]

I cant put them in the same place.. Algeria is a Muslim country, i was mistaken about that question .. but i do hate Algerian football fans .. you know they play 135 matches without fans because of what they do with their own blood .. about Egyptian.. you must come to Egypt to see how safe we are, how religious we are. at least the place i live in and others i know by heart.. ah.. putting an Algerian with an Israeli is not fair.. News is exaggeratin I am sure. cus he did not say that.. he just hate to play with them all .. i might hate someone who is Egyptian and by chance there is an Israeli in the same place.. that does not mean i put them together.
About rape in Egypt, lol.. it happens around the world, we do have crimes here in Egypt.. but you do not have crimes in yours??????????? lol lol

Brother, I will pick apart your thinking now because for the sake of Allah, its important to distinguish between reason, and nationalism.


You said "I do hate Algerian football fans". How does being a fan of Algerian football constitute a prohibited, or disgraceful group? Are you NOT simply hating due to rival identity of Algerian fans, of people who compete with and thus have defeated Egypt's team?

If by 'fan' you mean someone who commits haram actions, such as hitting people unlawfully, destroying property unlawfully, and speaking slander- then it would be correct to 'hate' those who cause fitnah, but FOR THEIR HARAM ACTIONS AND SPREADING FITNAH, NOT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE ALGERIAN FANS!!!!


Brother Gaber, you said "you must come to Egypt to see how safe we are, how religious we are. at least the place i live in and others i know by heart."

You are correct to distinguish between the entire 80+ million people of Egypt and your neighborhood. One who sides with only his nation state: is he prepared to take responsibility for all the actions of that 'nation'? Saying "my country is better" without actual objective reasoning is a form of 'asabiyah: qaumiyah- nationalism. And nationalism has no place in Islam.

Yes, there is crime everywhere. In fact the absence of the Islamic way of life and the Islamic state means that societies are plagued with illnesses which are not cured, problems that are not solved, and societal diseases which fester and grow.
One neighborhood may be superior to another by only a few believers, NOT NATIONAL IDENTITY.

The plight of Algeria has to be put on the necks of its leaders, same as the plight of Egypt. Both countries are led by secular elites who perpetuate secular concepts and capitalism.
Both countries are dominated by secular militaries.
Both ruling elite fail to rule by what Allah has revealed in its entirety, and thus rule by kufr- both regimes are kufr regimes.
That does NOT mean that one can wage war against them since the Muslim Ummah no longer has the foundation of the Islamic state and must return to the Prophet's (Saaw) model of dawah in Makka: nonviolent, political, spiritual, religious, intellectual struggle, but NOT material, physical struggle.

Neither regime fulfills the duties and obligations encumbent upon the Muslim Ummah and are therefore unworthy of ruling and leading believers.
So how can believers side with these regimes in haram actions, in promoting nationalism and division between Muslims?

[Diondra]

Thank you brother, astaghfel Allah.

[pharmablogger]

[TEFSADDERFISA]

I think the best question to ask is: Are the governments of Egypt, Algeria, and other countries (like Pakistan, Indonesia, and virtually every Arab country) still Muslim, being that they reject Sharia, and often even make fun of it?

And, what is a Muslim to do in response to these people?

As far as I know, the government of Syria is Alawi, so there would no doubt that Syria is run by kuffar (if it really is Alawi). I know Muslims shouldn't rebel against Muslim rulers, even if they are tyrants, but what about Alawis, and other such groups?

Brother, trust me when I say that fighting over football games is not the problem. It is only a symptom of the true disease we are facing right now, and that is that most Muslims today place other things before Allah , whatever they may be.

May Allah help us and grant us victory. Ameen.